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General Category => Microcar News => Topic started by: Jonathan Poll on November 02, 2010, 10:17:49 PM
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Hello,
My name is Jonathan Poll, I am 14 years old, and I am Nick Poll's son ( Messerschmitt and other microcars owner, makes schmitt interior sets and restores schmitts ). When I was about 6, I always played in the barn, and my dad had a very bad condition Nobel 200 in there, and since I loved playing in it, he gave it to me ( He wasnt really gonna do it up ). Now that I am older and know more about mechanics ( I am making a go kart, and I help my dad restoring schmitts ) I decided to start restoring it ( )PS It is chassis number 17 ). My dad done a bit for me a few years ago ( Painted chassis ) and I properly started doing it 1 month ago. I put the right axle on ( My dad bought another Nobel, and luckily it had 1 spare, since mibne didnt have any ). Recently, I bought a few parts on Ebay ( Door locks and Rear light base ) and the guy gave me a few rum cars issues as a gift ( Old issues, 1; 16; 17; 62 ). I read them, since my dad was registered a while back and I always read them after him, and found something rather intersting in the issue 62... A Nobel 200, with the chassis number 17 ! The advert says:
" Nobel 200 3 wheeler2 door saloon original reg this is an early car chassis no 001. History - Purchased from previous owner, a boy of 12 by his uncle to play with. He learnt about the mechanics and he kept it for 21 years. Towards the later years, it stood behing the garage, when he transfered his attention to restoring a Messerschmitt 3 wheeler. He then sold it to me to finance the work on his schmitt, and it was nit run for many uears and needa a lot of T.L.C. to restore it. I was prevented to restore it by health problems, and now need the cash to complete the restorationof my other Nobel, so must relucantly let it go at £350. Contact Syd Green ( Then his adress ).
What I would like to know, is does anyone have Syd Green's detaiols? I would like the postal adress, phone number and Email if possible. Also, does anyone else have any more info about it? Like old photos, history or parts?
Thanks,
- Jonathan Poll -
PS: Please email me the info at JonathanLPoll@Gmail.Com ( My rumcars email adress is false, its my old adress ).
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Hi Johnathan. Welcome to the furum. I will see if I can find Syd Greens details but I can tell you that he was quite elderly when he lived at Skegness . I bought the car from that advertisment and later sold it to your father just before you moved to France, I say 'sold', I think I swaped it for a rebuilt schmitt engine. Its yellowish colour with badly crazed gel coat if I remember rightly. Mike Ayriss is the man to ask really because if Syd is still around and owns his other Nobel it will be registered with Mike. Mike ayriss
E-mail Address(es):
michael.ayriss@talktalk.net
Best wishes with your project, Bob
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You should also try Alastair Lauchland (alastair.rumcars@btinternet.com) because he of course is now the keeper of the Register of Unusual Microcars on which Syd Green used to appear. The car is R682 on the Register,his other cars are now owned by Les Green.
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Thnaks both of you, I sent a message to Mike and Alastair ! So far no replies, but I only sent the emails about 20 mins ago. I have some pics that Jean kindly sent me via E-mail, so thamks! By the way Bob, you asked my dad for some schmitt engine parts, and my dad could tell that you wanted to convert a nobel engine to a schmitt one, so my dad asked if you had a nobel, you said yes, so my dad done a deal that he builds you a new engine for the whole nobel. Thabnks to you, I have my first car :) Thanks !
- Jonathan -
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I dont remember any of that Johnathan, I just remember standing in the garage and your dad asking what I wanted for it and me saying a rebuilt engine for a schmitt or Nobel as I had another restored Nobel at the time with a very worn engine and also wanted a spare engine for my Schmitt. Anyway, its now your job to restore this car and its really quite an important one as it has such a low chassis number. Dont forget to post up some photos of your progess with it on the forum.
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I dont remember any of that Johnathan, I just remember standing in the garage and your dad asking what I wanted for it and me saying a rebuilt engine for a schmitt or Nobel as I had another restored Nobel at the time with a very worn engine and also wanted a spare engine for my Schmitt. Anyway, its now your job to restore this car and its really quite an important one as it has such a low chassis number. Dont forget to post up some photos of your progess with it on the forum.
Don't worry, I have my dad who can help me with the bits I don't know, but I made a go kart myself, and now its the big challeng :) I am going to make a site with the progress, a bit like a diary, I'll post what I done that day :) The website should be www.Nobel200.Weebly.com or if I get a bit of money for my spare parts that I have newer ones of, I can maybe get Nobel200.com ( It isnt taken, and it wont be expensive, like 20£ a year ). For now, the car is exactly the same as when you got it, apart from that the chassis is nearly finisahed and I stripped down the interior.
- Jonathan Poll -
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Why not use a yahoo blog for free? I do, http://intermicrocar.blogspot.com/
I'm also working on a Nobel chassis, her are a couple of pics of mine.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm224/gyrostarter/nonel002.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm224/gyrostarter/nonel001.jpg)
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Why not use a yahoo blog for free? I do, http://intermicrocar.blogspot.com/
I'm also working on a Nobel chassis, her are a couple of pics of mine.
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm224/gyrostarter/nonel002.jpg)
(http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm224/gyrostarter/nonel001.jpg)
Nice! My chassis is probably the same condition, my engine is in my dad's nobel for now, he said he will give it back to me when the car is ready fr an engine ( I think that engine is the original one from my car :) ). If I use Weebly, it's free, unless I want to get my own domain name. Weebly is a good way to make a site, you can do a lot more than a blog.
- Jonathan -
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I should have known that a 14 year old would know much more about computer stuff than me! I conceed. Just make sure he gives you that engine back!
Is it you Johnathan that sells the microcar cursors for computers?
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I am going to make a site with the progress
Great stuff, it's been a while since any new Nobel/fulda sites have appeared.
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And if a 14 year old can do it so can you blob! Get that Nobel home and get started on it! ;)
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Jonathan if you are a wiz on web sites hows about volunteering to help Jim Janecek with beefing up our web site with some new bits and bobs? Jean
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And if a 14 year old can do it so can you blob!
Precisely why I chose a Nobel in the first place, but fixing house now commands my time.
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[Precisely why I chose a Nobel in the first place, but fixing house now commands my time.
A 70's restoration on the house? Hammerite the skirting boards, bit of vinyl repair on the roofing, spot lights over the front door and a new thermostat in the heating system?
New Nobel site could have a guess the part page - the Nobel piece prize! Got to try and get feedback to make these things really fly.
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Dear Al
That could be a great new feature in Rumcar News "Guess the Gear", a bit like the "Mystery Car" but of a component.
The only problem will be that Bob Purton is likely to get it right every time, as he has perhaps rebuilt more engines and cars than anybody else.
So perhaps he should organise it, then we could call it " Purton's Parts Puzzle"
Chris Thomas
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I should have known that a 14 year old would know much more about computer stuff than me! I conceed. Just make sure he gives you that engine back!
Is it you Johnathan that sells the microcar cursors for computers?
Hi Bob,
I don't sell any PC cursors, but I do sell TomTom bubble car icons ( Of your car, all people need to do is send in a pic of their car ). You may have been thinking of that instead.
- Jonathan -
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My dad needs a couple of bits for his and my Nobel. He got loads of spares with his car including a 4 wheeler back axle. He would like to try and get an Engine Cradle for a 4 wheeler. Also, we have No exhaust systems for our cars, so does anyone have an old one we can copy? My dad is also in the process of making some control cables for our Nobel's. If anyone else needs any, he may be able to make them at the same time.
I would be delighted to help with the site Jean, I sent you an E-mail.
- Jonathan -
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Ah, That must be what I have seen advertised. I use a navman so it wouldnt work for me.
Chris, I have not rebuild more cars and engines than anyone else, you flatter me however I think Jonathans dad Nick has! We could name it "Polls parts puzzle!"
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Purton's Partzone Puzzle - winner gets an investment prediction on the secret Peel Engineering Ltd barometer our man hides under the stairs.
Poll's Partzone Poll - winner gets a Lourdes onion. The miracle cure for Jehovah's Witness
Are most people like me having taken more engines appart than they have put together!
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Purton's Partzone Puzzle - winner gets an investment prediction on the secret Peel Engineering Ltd barometer our man hides under the stairs.
Poll's Partzone Poll - winner gets a Lourdes onion. The miracle cure for Jehovah's Witness
Are most people like me having taken more engines appart than they have put together!
Nah, you just get a pot of Cassoulet from us ;)
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Dear Al
I can recommend the dried Potage d'orties cuisantes . It has a slight kick.
Chris Thomas
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Is that a French motorcycle? If you retard the timing a little it wont kick back! :D
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Is that a French motorcycle? If you retard the timing a little it wont kick back! :D
Whatever it is, I know the funniest bottle of french wine. It is called Arse. Seriously. My bro has one, here ois a pic: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/05/20/article-1279806-09A92BFA000005DC-198_306x423.jpg
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Well, I just managed to contact the second owner from new of my Nobel, Syd Green! He is still around ( but a bit deaf, hard to have contact ). He remembers his Nobel's, and he gave me his Email Adress, and I have sent him an Email :)
- Jonathan -
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Well done Jonathan, glad to here he is still around, is he still at Skegness?. There is nothing much to say about the bottle of wine other than "Bottoms up!" ;D ;D
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Would this bottle of 'Arse' be dispensed by Nick it would be Arsenic. I am sure he has found more convivial libations!
I can believe Syd Green might be deaf after driving Nobels about.
Seriously though it is good that folk are beginning to love these cars. Not for me I fear. I never forgave mine attempting to mate a keep left sign after going straight on at a mini roundabout rather than where the wheels pointed. The Sachs is happest in a Schmitt and so am I but I except the prices are to high for many. A Nob with a Heinkel lump is probably better actually - Attila etc.
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Well done Jonathan, glad to here he is still around, is he still at Skegness?. There is nothing much to say about the bottle of wine other than "Bottoms up!" ;D ;D
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply, I just got back yesterday at 2am... Yes, he still lives in Skegness, and still the same house. I have made my website a lot better, but obviously I need to fill in the tabs lol. Here is my site: http://nobel200.weebly.com/
Syd said that he doesnt really remember much about the car, and he can't help me... This is what he sent me:
Yes, those are the pictures I gave with the nobel. That was the lower part of the letter I sent in reply to Bob purton.I did not advertise it.As far as I recall, it was John Prescott.So many years ago. I am 82!Sorry I can't help you further. SYD.
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Now that I have a few phots and history, does anyone know anything about John Prescott? ( I don't mean the politic guy lol ). His old adress was:
John Prescott
3 St John's Avenue
Lostock Gralam
Northwich Ches
Thanks a lot for everything, - Jonathan -
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dont know him but if it heped at all i could always call in for you its fairly near me
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Owners of Nobels chassis number 0848 and 20344 (?) might find it worth getting in touch.
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Congratulations on your website Johnathan. Have you just painted it or have you replaced all the bushes bearings etc? Mine needed new kingpins, bushes, bearings, seals, brake shoes, rod ends silent blocks, shock absorbers and also the big steering arm in the centre of the chassis needed new bushes made, all this is quite important because these cars are notorious for play in the steering. Still if your dad is helping you he will know all this. The other thing I never liked about these is that the pedal box is crudely made, the pedals move from side to side when in use, I redesigned mine and welded tubes onto the sides of the pedals then put a rod through the whole lot, this took all the floppyness out and feels like a pedal box should feel! Keep us posted on your progress.
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Great site, ask http://www.fuldamobil.de for a direct link to your site, check the left hand side of the page and you'll notice a list of other 'Fanseite' relating to enthusiasts projects.
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Dear Bob
I do hope you have scale drawings of the pedal box assembly to allow others to replicate your excellent design.
Chris Thomas
PS glad to see the dining room table is part of your workshop.
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That is a great site! I havnt seen that before. I still think that S4 thing looks like your tortoise on wheels though blob! Surely the most ugly microcar ever made. The S7/ Nonel shape on the other hand I think is very well done. Did they come from the same pen I wonder?
Chris, the pedal box mod is a patent Purton design, closely guarded Unless money is thrown at me!! ;D ;D
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I still think that S4 thing looks like your tortoise on wheels.
That's the reason why I love them so! Not sure which pen they came from but I'm sure the answers on there somewhere
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dont know him but if it heped at all i could always call in for you its fairly near me
Well, that would be very nice, but the thing is, he probably moved...
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Owners of Nobels chassis number 0848 and 20344 (?) might find it worth getting in touch.
Thanks, but I don't know how to find people with a chassi number... I guess the register would know?
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Congratulations on your website Johnathan. Have you just painted it or have you replaced all the bushes bearings etc? Mine needed new kingpins, bushes, bearings, seals, brake shoes, rod ends silent blocks, shock absorbers and also the big steering arm in the centre of the chassis needed new bushes made, all this is quite important because these cars are notorious for play in the steering. Still if your dad is helping you he will know all this. The other thing I never liked about these is that the pedal box is crudely made, the pedals move from side to side when in use, I redesigned mine and welded tubes onto the sides of the pedals then put a rod through the whole lot, this took all the floppyness out and feels like a pedal box should feel! Keep us posted on your progress.
Thanks! Yes, me and my dad have replaced the bushes and bearings. Well, the bearings are old ones we found with the spares, but I cleaned them up and my dad saud they are good enough.
Jonathan
PS: I will not be doing much on the nobel for a while, cos its freezing here!
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I have searched our data base for those numbers and the only things I have come up with by searching for the number sequence anywhere within a given chassis number are a Honda and Frisky. So I would suggest the Nobel has either never been registered with us or Alan has got the numbers wrong. From the data I have on the Register the full number for any Nobel chassis appears to be as a general rule 3R0**** (i.e.yours is 3R00017). Sometimes there is an A at the end and occassionally a 4 instead of 3 at the beginning. Sorry I can't help further. Jean
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I have searched our data base for those numbers and the only things I have come up with by searching for the number sequence anywhere within a given chassis number are a Honda and Frisky. So I would suggest the Nobel has either never been registered with us or Alan has got the numbers wrong. From the data I have on the Register the full number for any Nobel chassis appears to be as a general rule 3R0**** (i.e.yours is 3R00017). Sometimes there is an A at the end and occassionally a 4 instead of 3 at the beginning. Sorry I can't help further. Jean
Thanks anyway! Yeah, my dad pointed that out to me, and he thinks that it means 3 wheeler right hand drive 0017. I don"'t see why they would have to put RHD on, because all nobel's are english so RHD ( Well, it depends on Nobel Chile I guess...)
Jonathan
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Sometimes there is an A
Model 'A' I presume.
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I have searched our data base for those numbers and the only things I have come up with by searching for the number sequence anywhere within a given chassis number are a Honda and Frisky. So I would suggest the Nobel has either never been registered with us or Alan has got the numbers wrong. From the data I have on the Register the full number for any Nobel chassis appears to be as a general rule 3R0**** (i.e.yours is 3R00017). Sometimes there is an A at the end and occassionally a 4 instead of 3 at the beginning. Sorry I can't help further. Jean
Well 0848 is Nobel as it is a full original chassis plate. The other has lost the top of the chassis plate, is/was a larger style in anycase, so might be a Frisky though it came with a batch of Nobel stuff. It would explain the differing numbering. So anyone got that Frisky? If not it might help an I.D. less Frisky if John can place it in the sequence, there are a few about.
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I just done a bit more on my car, I just updated my site. Here it is: http://nobel200.weebly.com/
I am also working on the RUMcars site, but I will sedn all of you the link when I have is finished.
Jonathan
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Big Al
Chassis No 20344 is the Family Three fitted with an open sport body you sold to Bruce weiners collection via John Watts at Trigo Canada around 10 years ago. It first came on the Register in 1985 when it belonged to Jim Webber
Hope this helps
John
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Big Al
Chassis No 20344 is the Family Three fitted with an open sport body you sold to Bruce weiners collection via John Watts at Trigo Canada around 10 years ago. It first came on the Register in 1985 when it belonged to Jim Webber
Hope this helps
John
How strange, but it makes sense as the stuff the chassis plate came with was via Scootacar, Nobel and other mush bought from David Webber. So that is logical. Pity about the Frisky but at the time no one would by it. It was quite a nice car but I did not sell it to John Watts, at least that is not what my paperwork says, so perhaps he was incognito. Best to reunite the chassis plate with the car.