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General Category => Microcar Events => Topic started by: Grant Kearney on July 13, 2011, 10:51:59 PM
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37th National MicroCar Rally
September 1st – 4th 2011
The 2011 NMCR will be hosted by the Bug Club at The Atwell~Wilson Motor Museum, Calne, Wiltshire. At this event we are going for the world record for the most microcars in one place.
World Record Attempt: Preparations for this year's Attempt are progressing very well, with lots of positive feedback from clubs and individuals so we hope we will make that magical 200 cars on the 4th of September.
Back in 1986 at Burford, when the last recognised attempt for the ‘most microcars in one place’ happened, there were 185 vehicles recorded. Twenty five years ago Guinness Records recognised this event and we hoped that this would be the case again. Despite our best efforts over a sustained period, we find that they now no longer monitor this type of record and can't be persuaded otherwise. However, this makes us all even more determined to make sure we do break the record last set in 1986!. NMCR administrators will acknowledge the official numbers attending and will record details of every Microcar on a certificate of attendance which will be awarded to each owner. Further details will be recorded on the NMCR website.
Rally Programme:
Thursday 1 September - campsite opens at midday.
Friday 2 September - short afternoon Road Run, to a local place of interest. Evening bar in the on-site marquee.
Saturday 3 September - Road Run / Treasure Hunt of around 60 miles, visiting places of interest in the surrounding countryside. Make sure both your microcar and your brain are in tip-top condition!
Evening bar - and quiz! - in the on-site marquee.
Sunday 4 September - the traditional show day at the rally site, where we hope to beat the record 186 cars which attended in 1986.
Food: on-site catering will offer breakfasts and light evening snacks on Friday and Saturday - and throughout the day on Sunday.
Costs:
Rally entrance / Rally pack £6.00
Autojumble / Club stand £10.00
Camping: Motorhome / Caravan £12.00 per night
Tent £10.00 per night
There are toilets and washbasins on site, but no showers.
There are no electric hookups.
And ... New drainage! New Gravel Roads!
If you came to the National held at the Museum in 2008, you'll remember it got a tad (!) muddy. Well, things have changed since then. The site owners have had the field fitted with land drains and a gravel road laid right around it. A new gravel roadway also runs through the gateway and up into the camping field, where the grass will be cut short prior to the rally, ready for camping.
If you need any further information on the 2011 Rally, please contact Jeff Ellis at jeffrey.e@ntlworld.com
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Dear Rumsters
Those who are going to the National this year, do you think we should have our own Rumcar Stand. Which I presume is an area where all the Rumcar registered cars collect and we can have our own Gazebo.
I only ask as I expect all the other clubs and registers have their own stand and would you guys like one?
If we do then I need to organise it. It also has the advantage that we can promote the register of Unusual Microcars and also sign up more people to Rumcar News. The more subscribers we get the lower the printing cost per copy.
What do you think Ladies and Gents?
Chris Thomas
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Dear Rumsters
Those who are going to the National this year, do you think we should have our own Rumcar Stand. Which I presume is an area where all the Rumcar registered cars collect and we can have our own Gazebo.
I only ask as I expect all the other clubs and registers have their own stand and would you guys like one?
If we do then I need to organise it. It also has the advantage that we can promote the register of Unusual Microcars and also sign up more people to Rumcar News. The more subscribers we get the lower the printing cost per copy.
What do you think Ladies and Gents?
Chris Thomas
I find that is a great idea!
We will probably stay for one day though, propbably the last one.
JP
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Hi Chris. I think we should have a stand, Jean did this for many years so not a new idea but it would be good to revive it. Not sure about rum registered cars assembling at the stand though, would there be enough room? Or did you mean rumcars owners assembling there? Go for it Chris especially if you are making the tea! ;D
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Dear Bob
How is the National set out, is it in vehicle makes, or clubs or no order at all. If it is like Bromley the club has an area on which you cram as amny cars as possible. Others they seem to line up in makes. Having a stand could mean with the cars if they were together or away from the cars near the entrance and organisers. What would you think would be acceptable?
Also to man the stand may require three people to allow time for each person to do their thing and see all the exhibits, so who would like to help?
I think I need to speak to Grant and Co.
Chris Thomas
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Hi Chris. The lay out varies but usually in lines of makes. Club stands usually are just for promotion/spares and not for displaying the cars themselves but of coarse we could break the mould! It would depend on the space availible. Last time the National was at Calne it was a swamp and we displayed our cars on hard standing all around the site, it was chaos. Now with a drained field and hopefully better weather it will be a good venue. I would love to help Chris but it clashes with our Holiday, I may make it for thursday/friday if er indoors lets me.
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Dear Bob
Thanks for that brief description.
Work has gone mad so I could only manage the Saturday afternoon and the Sunday myself.
I will speak to Grant
Chris Thomas
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Hi Chris. The lay out varies but usually in lines of makes. Club stands usually are just for promotion/spares and not for displaying the cars themselves but of coarse we could break the mould! It would depend on the space availible. Last time the National was at Calne it was a swamp and we displayed our cars on hard standing all around the site, it was chaos. Now with a drained field and hopefully better weather it will be a good venue. I would love to help Chris but it clashes with our Holiday, I may make it for thursday/friday if er indoors lets me.
Given that there was a rescue mission going on I thought Calne was quite good as it mixed folks up. I am not totally in favour with separating cars all the time. Some folk will then not mix. It is the mixing that creates the interest and the vibe. A balance to be struck. Actually pulling all the oddball cars into a RUM area might provide the very thing to initiate interesting discussion. I would be less favourable for an IOC stand doing the same as that would create fort BMW and not be helpful overall, but would be fine for Isetta owners. A tricky thing to get right and a very good reason for differing venues and organisers. The events that stick in the mind were the ones that offered something different or managed to create a vibe greater than the pool of people present by the mix of organisation. Strangely another good event was the Berkeley one by the now departed John Lee in the small field that everyone complained about. Again it mixed it up. A second would not have been as good. Weston Park on the other hand worked due to the huge space, that did not suit everybody either.
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I cant remember which year it was but Tony Marshal organised a National up MIlton Keynes way at a country park with all the makes of car mixed up in the field at random as they arrived, it made a change and we all enjoyed it just the same. I wasnt complaining about the last Calne rally, it was a natural disaster of too much rain leading up to the rally and during. The Bug Club turned a disaster into a relative success under the circumstances.
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Dear Bob
I have emailed Jeff Ellis and he has replied as follows: -
The cars are normally lined up by makes (But I'm not normal) so if you what a club stand that would be fine by me and I'm in change?
so I would need to know how many cars you think will be there, you can put your club gazebo on the stand but please don't make it too big?
as for location that depends on how much room you would need but I will find you room some were on the field.
if you got a ruff idea of stand size then let me know.
Or you can have room for a 3x3m gazebo along with the other and the auto jumble stands and line the cars up with all the rest in some sort of make order?
we only show the cars on Sunday but if you have a club stand there is no reason why you cant have it on Saturday as well.
hope this helps JE
So it looks like we can have a designated Rumcar area with a Gazebo and a place where we can promote Rumcar.
The next question is how many cars do we think will want to be on the Rumcar stand. People like Malcolm Thomas may have a few cars there and have them in different camps, same with Grant K and a few others.
For me to go back to Jeff I need to know if this idea has legs and how many cars we could expect in the Rumcar area?
Answers not on a post card but on this web page.
Chris Thomas
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But don't forget nor deplete the tradition of the Plastic and Metal car lines...
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So you need a Gazebo and a minimum of about six cars, enough to make people stop and look. Best target people who will already be going with there unusual cars and ones that have a regular slot in RCN, maybe starting with a Nobel, Frisky, then a few things more exotic. I guess you could even requisition a few cars from the main line up on the day with the owners consent of course. A few stakes and some high vis tape to define the area and your in business. Just my take anyway. Sorry I cant help as I wont be there.
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Dear Stuart
Can you expand on this statement "But don't forget nor deplete the tradition of the Plastic and Metal car lines..." as I do not understand not having been to a national before. also I am a bit thick.
Chris Thomas
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What Stu means is after the one make lines of cars i.e. Messeschmitt Heinkel etc there comes the catagories, "other metal cars" and other "plastic cars" . It wouldnt be good if all these cars were on the RUMcars stand and none in the appropriate line.
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Dear Bob and Stuart
Can you explain why they feel they need to seperate the metal from the plastic body vehicles. That sound illogical to me. Why seperate them?
Surly a Powerdrive next to a Coronet would be perfect.
Is it me!!!
Chris Thomas
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Maybe it has its origin in Concourse judging?
Like so many other things in the world of microcars, what was established in the old days of micro rallying have just stuck, logical or not logical. A bit like the old chestnut of the boundaries of what is a microcar. Did that rule come down from Sinai with Moses? No
down from Burford with someone in flared trousers and a late sixties haircut? And who's to say they were wrong? Well, quite a few people actually. ;D
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Maybe I'm too much of a traditionalist, particularly with an event such as the National. It's precisely because the format of the National was established in the old days of micro rallies that makes it The National. I go there & I expect to see the Plastic line & the Metal line. Anything else just wouldn't be right. ;)
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It does vary though depending on who is running it.
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no i quite agree with you chris - there had to be a first time ;D
whyever plastic or metal , but thats how it's been. poor Peels etc. end up in a line up with Reliants, and all the various modern trike type three wheelers ( that i personally dont think belong at all ) and a Gordon , should one turn up, will end up in the Fiat 500/126 row.
surely a categorie of various 50's/60's micro's makes a lot more sense - the fabric is immaterial , i never even mentioned Velorex :) modern trikes etc could then appear in a line up of their own . Simple
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And that, my friends is the nub of it. A Powerdrive clearly should be next to a Coronet as a Fulda S4 should be next to a Nobel. However all those would be very happy sat under a RUM banner away from kit cars and non micro stuff that happened to pop in and then grouped in a guest area. Tradition is fine till it gets in the way. Better still the RUM area will not have stuff behind it, including camper vans, so that some proper pictures can be taken of the subject matter on hand without rubbish appearing in shot ruining the effort. I am fed up with looking for Waldo when a picture is proffered of a some vehicle allegedly pictured. Indeed it is a thing I would alter in the organisation by having a rally type presentation area the cars file through. Trouble is it would mean the car being moved through an area as part of its presence. That seems asking to much of some folks who do not even remove/take the car off the trailer/A frame. Then again they would hardly be on site in my version of an event so that little issue solves itself until they see the TV camera and microphone!
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Chris, sorry for the delay in contributing to this discussion but currently touring Inverness-shire in my Messerschmitt along with several other Microcars and owners, pics next week when I get home and the camera dries out :D. No 'show and shine' up here just serious driving in the worst possible weather. Al, you and the BUMS should join us as it your kind of thing and not that far from your Cumbrian Estate.
Having a dedicated Rumcars display is a great idea and if Jeff is in favour then do it. Most of the 'one make' clubs have official representation and Rumcars has certainly in the past. A display of the rare and unusual combined with a 'drop in' gazebo with a few deck chairs would encourage current and potential members to get involved. At the moment I am planning to take my Frisky (and someting else) so count it for the display.
The metal and plastic categories simply give a home to the rarer cars that have no club presence to support them or because there are so few they don't have their own line up. We are hoping that the numbers of Fiats will be up this years so they will have their own line up (as has happened in previous years) and if sufficient numbers arrive then there will be one for 126s and one for 500s. Again if there are sufficient Reliants (Daniel, tell all your contacts that they are welcome) then they too will have their own line up as has happened at Malvern. More recent vehicles such as Smart, Axiam and trikes have their own class called 'Modern'. When Sir Alan (he of Petites) get the AC gathering organised then there will be an AC Petite section as was done last year for the Friskys. Should there be a Gordon or two turn up then they to can have their own line up :)
Chris you also need to be aware that Rumcars has provided the awards for the best 'Plastic' and 'Metal' for a very long time and this helps get new blood into the club as the award is a years subscription to Rumcar News.
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i could get a pretty large number of reliants to turn up,but only if this was wanted and or we were welcome to be there,as a fair few of my friends have had pretty unpleasant experiences at micro rallys due to marque snobbery and vowed never to go again.
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Daniel, you keep on about that, but the only way to forge the bridge is to bring the Reliants & damn the doubters. I had (& occasionally still do have) the same with my invalid carriages for the past ten years. But no matter who said what I kept on bringing them out year on year until eventually everyone came to realise the conveyances weren't going away & so today they are part of the scene & they can like it or lump it. Just think, you could be the one to bring the Reliants in from the cold into the bright lights of the bubble world. You could be the great bridge builder in the face of, lets face it, snobbery and misunderstandings from BOTH worlds. Spread the word & get the Reliants to Wiltshire. The future, if we allow ourselves, could start here....
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Daniel, you keep on about that, but the only way to forge the bridge is to bring the Reliants & damn the doubters. I had (& occasionally still do have) the same with my invalid carriages for the past ten years. But no matter who said what I kept on bringing them out year on year until eventually everyone came to realise the conveyances weren't going away & so today they are part of the scene & they can like it or lump it. Just think, you could be the one to bring the Reliants in from the cold into the bright lights of the bubble world. You could be the great bridge builder in the face of, lets face it, snobbery and misunderstandings from BOTH worlds. Spread the word & get the Reliants to Wiltshire. The future, if we allow ourselves, could start here....
Great post :)
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ah but you have a VERY thick skin Stuart. as you are well aware most of us do not welcome invalid carriages (other than perhaps villiers powered ) at all . perhaps Daniel is more sensitive :)
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why forge a bridge if there is nothing on the other side?
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daniel whyever are you on the site then if theres nothing there for you ? plastic pigs , particularly early ones as dont forget for most of us there is an historical element to the hobby , are i am sure welcome praps its just that paranoid owners dont feel welcome .
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ive had people come up to me at rallies saying why is this here,friends of mine have been pushed to one side of the field away from the others,and over heard people saying "why are there bloody reliants here" so i dont feel it unjustified.
its bad enough getting grief from the general public driving one let alone people with supposedly a common interest.
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there are very few, relatively, micro rallies dan . name them and shame them ..... and when
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ive had people come up to me at rallies saying why is this here,friends of mine have been pushed to one side of the field away from the others,and over heard people saying "why are there bloody reliants here" so i dont feel it unjustified.
its bad enough getting grief from the general public driving one let alone people with supposedly a common interest.
And you think I haven't had that all over the place with my invalid carriages? Yet I'm still here, in the thick of the scene that I love, round the cars that I love. The true enthusiast does it for the cars, not for public opinion. You stand there being prickly about it & nobody will come near you. But if you rise above it & show them the knowledge & intrest that the cars are capable of generating and be friendly about it and eventually people come across & think "Yeah, that's not so bad after all, let's have a closer look at that". Besides, get enough Reliants to Wiltshire on 4th September & you'll be able to shunt the bubbles to one side & sneer at them for a change... ;)
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When I re-appeared back to the micro-world in 2002 I thought that there would be a friendly bunch of people out there. But now I'm very disappointed in the scene. People bickering about "their" make of car and what they are worth, sod the others with cars that they don't like or care to see. What is the matter with all you people?
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hang on a mo rob ! who are you disagreeing with , i thought we were just saying how welcoming we would be , and who mentioned what they were worth ?
- nite nite sleep tight and sweet dreams too
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I am not disagreeing with anyone. Just saying what is in my mind about the bickering and money talk that goes on in this forum since I found it in 8 or 9 years ago. Most boring!
"nite nite sleep tight and sweet dreams too" Never have any.
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Well last weekend at the Norwich rally two cars got a lot of attention and were most interesting , funny enough both were Reliants. Well one was a safety Seven and the other a Mk2 Regal convertable. Both under 700cc and hence microcars at a microcar rally, whats wrong with that? Nowt! Would I want to see a field full of 850cc Robins and Rialtos at the National? No not particularly, as much as I like them because they are not microcars. Much the same as it annoys me when I go to a vintage motorcycle show and see a load of new Harley Davidsons. Surely its an issue of definition?
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. Al, you and the BUMS should join us as it your kind of thing and not that far from your Cumbrian Estate.
If and when I am clear of idiot family matters and on top of the projects in hand I have marked a Scottish touring week as a to do. Sounds like my sort of thing. I still want to do a Schmitt up the Hebrides, or would it be down? Such things need a sorted car and no time issues spoiling the fun. Some BUMS would partake given the lead I think, though I could be on my own Island hopping.
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why forge a bridge if there is nothing on the other side?
Well the French one become a tourist attraction. Not sure that helps the debate though.
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Would I want to see a field full of 850cc Robins and Rialtos at the National? No not particularly, as much as I like them because they are not microcars. Much the same as it annoys me when I go to a vintage motorcycle show and see a load of new Harley Davidsons. Surely its an issue of definition?
I partially agree with Bob here. I would not want to see a field full of 850cc Robins and Rialtos at a microcar rally. It's not from prejudice, the same is equally true for Bond Equipes, AC Aces, Allard J2s or Heinkel or Messerschmidt bombers. I'd be very happy to see Reliant Regals. . This doesn't mean that related products from significant manufacturers can't be a small part of the show particularly if that encourages obscure microcar related things of interest to be encouraged out of the woodwork, but a 'Microcar' show has to have a clear focus. The RUMCars general definition is perfect "economy vehicles with either three or four wheels, powered by petrol engines of no more than 700cc or battery electric propulsion, and manufactured since 1945, but this can be varied if justified by vehicle interest ".
I was interested to note the forum's spell checker suggested Heineken as a replacement for Heinkel! :)
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I was interested to note the forum's spell checker suggested Heineken as a replacement for Heinkel! :)
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Haaaaah! Cheers Mines a half!!
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As Daniel wouldn't do it, I've done it, with the attached post on the R3W forum....
Once again Daniel Rodd has been doing his usual trick of moaning on the Rumcars Forum of how unfriendly & unwelcoming the microcar world is to the Reliant world. I cannot help thinking most of you have been coloured by events which took place years ago. As the old adage goes; "The past is a different place". Times have changed, attitudes must move on, in BOTH worlds. Daniel has been offered the chance to forge the first bridgehead but he refuses. Therefore I will do it...
On behalf of the ENTIRE microcar world, I extend an invitation to ALL pre-1975 Reliant three-wheelers and all Rebels, Kittens, Foxes, Tempests, etc etc etc to come and join the bubblecars at the Atwell-Wilson Motor Museum at Calne, Wiltshire from 1st - 4th September. The weekend involves both driving and showing for anyone to do as much or as little as they like. Full details can be seen at http://www.national-microcar-rally.co.uk/
Let us not spend our time moaning about what has gone before. We can't alter the past but we CAN build the future. Give it the chance and bring the Reliant’s to Wiltshire...
It's up to everyone now...
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What engine size are fox's then Stuart, 850cc? Was that intentional or a blunder? Are we going to invite all 850cc Austin mini's?
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Tis known as meeting half way....
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There is no problem with other classics arriving to be a part of the event. It is as simple as guiding them to the guest area for non microcars. We want folk to participate but at the same time it is a Microcar Rally and other cars add something and hopefully their pilots a lot more. The only concession is to be asked to park separately, possibly marshalled if numbers of a marque arrive to place them all together as well, thus recognising the effort of turnout. If successful the invites will be reciprocated and micros can guest at Reliant events, as they have done up north. Since this as a Bond Bug organised event it would seem odd not to have a few Rolys about.
Rob is quite correct that certain areas of activity and folk have become insular - the Messerschmitts have always been very bad at this. The older events were not exclusive and had a unity in doing things with unwanted machinery underlying the thing, creating a great vibe. This has got lost along the way to many of the vehicles becoming desirable and attracting obsessive behaviour. There is no need for the rally to exhibit or obey these trends and while I have no great love for Reliant I am in no way big headed enough to think I cannot learn from talking to the enthusiasts for them. Give them space to develop themselves and it should add to proceedings. The day we start banning folk from attending or driving them away in marque apartheid is the day the little wheels fall off the whole thing and the scene is something to be avoided. Personally I would like to Vintage Scooters and ICs invited as well as they have common heritage. Again placed to one side but cherished.
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al your wandering again . agree with your opinion on rallies and contents thereof - but what french ones are tourist attractions . and come to that your plan for a hebrides trip is a bit off topic for a national rally update ::)
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is it because reliants are still being percieved as being common? there are less than 150 Regals left on the road,and under 3000 of all three wheeled models of any age.
around 60 Foxes,and 200 Kittens.
certain sidevalve reliants can be counted on 2 hands,my mk4 van was the sole survivor.
The Rialto is 30 next year.When the national first started surely the cars could only have been 10-20 years old?!
I most probably will go,because i love most microcars,Bonds and Friskys in particular,and invacars of course.
Im afraid Stuart your "advert" comes accross as very excluding to me.i dont want it to turn into a debate about wether reliants are micros or not,i know they arent in the techincal sense(although this varies all over the place) the newer reliants are virtually the same underneath and in concept as the first 1952 Regal,they just moved with the times.in my opinion,the lightweight construction,grp body,three wheel configuration(and yes they are small,park one next to a fiesta and see for yourself!)and being bourne out of the fuel rationing era,is enough for me.
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will you never be happy. suspect your choice of car is based on the fact you need a bigger car to accommodate the chip on your shoulder >:(
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Re Al's comment about people turning up in non micro classics being filtered off into a seperate parking area, thats exactly what took place at Norwich last weekend, there were a few later Reliants and some of those horrid home made trikes in the guests area and I didnt hear anyone complain . It kept the rally field for microcars and the guests were unoffended.
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Dear Friends
Regarding the plastic and metal issue,
When Jean told me that we offered two subcriptions as a prize for the best metal and plastic car at the show, I was confused, Who would want two subscriptions as a prize. A bit like the old joke First prize is a Lada, second prize is two Lada's. Now I understand that it is two catagories so they have to be kept seperate.
Perhaps if I can persuade Jeff to give Rumcar a space between the line of plastic cars and the metal cars, then Rumcar members can park near the Gazebo and those that are not can park next to them.
Metal Metal Metal Metal Rumcar Plastic Plastic Plastic
Does that sound like a suitable plan?
Chris Thomas
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al your wandering again . agree with your opinion on rallies and contents thereof - but what french ones are tourist attractions . and come to that your plan for a hebrides trip is a bit off topic for a national rally update ::)
In reverse order Grant proposed a question which I answered. It had nothing to do with the National really. He is frustrated, if that is the correct word, that I do not come out to play at events I suggest are what should be going on and he puts a lot of time into organising. A valid point.
The French bridge at Aviagon, spelling?, was built from one side but not ever linked to the other. A failure that become a tourist attraction. Satire then on Dan building a Bridge to nowhere. It lost impact due to the fast input of postings before my answer. This answer was unnecessary but inclined to be humorous.
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they just moved with the times.
Move with the times? YOUR BARRED!!!!!! Oh dear he might be right?
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Dear Friends
Regarding the plastic and metal issue,
When Jean told me that we offered two subcriptions as a prize for the best metal and plastic car at the show, I was confused, Who would want two subscriptions as a prize. A bit like the old joke First prize is a Lada, second prize is two Lada's. Now I understand that it is two catagories so they have to be kept seperate.
Perhaps if I can persuade Jeff to give Rumcar a space between the line of plastic cars and the metal cars, then Rumcar members can park near the Gazebo and those that are not can park next to them.
Metal Metal Metal Metal Rumcar Plastic Plastic Plastic
Does that sound like a suitable plan?
Chris Thomas
All the more reason as a layout to encourage those non micros out of the Metal and Plastic areas, unless the prize is open to non microcars. I could see that working with an avenue building up starting on each corner of the RUMCAR stand facing each other. A natural area for the enthusiasts of the limited production to hold informal court. Such things stimulate interest and enthusiasm as it is not really elitist.
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Reliants at the Anglian windows rally Norfolk 2011.
Note the big 850cc muscle cars reliants are parked up separately.
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No one told them it was the local scrap yard!
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I believe that this year the Rally Organisers are trying for the largest number of microcars in one place record again. I hope the attendance of too many "other interesting vehicles", welcome as they should be, will not confuse the counting procedure. I feel it must be left to the Rally organisers to specify the layout don't you?
On another note may be The Register of Unusual Microcars should volunteer to organise a National one year with a group of owners getting together to do so. Just food for thought Jean
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what is the green one ? an early Reliant ? or am i miles off the mark as usual
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Blue one at the top is a Raleigh Safety Seven. Grey drophead is a Regal mk 3. Green 'un's a Regal Mk 2 & the rest are supposedly invisible to micro buffs.... ;)
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Blue one at the top is a Raleigh Safety Seven. Grey drophead is a Regal mk 3. Green 'un's a Regal Mk 2 & the rest are supposedly invisible to micro buffs.... ;)
I suspect the Raleigh is owned by the wonderfully mad projectionist and George Formby fan from Yarmouth, I think it was. Exactly the sort of person we want at a Micro Car Rally in my book. Great guy.
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Nearly Mr Hitchcock. The Grey Regal mk3 belongs to the ex mad projectionist, not that he is no longer mad but rather no longer a projectionist! Sadly made redundant by the world of digital. His saftey seven is a green one. He told me that he robbed the engine from the saftey seven to put in the Mk3! Very strange! Even stranger he tells me he hates electric guitars! At that point I walked away!!! There is only so much a man can take!!:D
The green regal mk2 is a long term restoration but I was a little concerned by the fact that the owner told me he rebuilt the rear end of his Isetta using old cooker side panels, I thought there was someting "Belling" about it! Yes the whole rally was a wash with nutters. Lovely Jubbly!!
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re the "reliant thing",, as a child, i would be collected from school in a schmitt one day, scootacar the next, berkely, trident, and a red early sidevalve drophead reliant, dads owned several sidevalves since,and had a very early alloy bodied one ! alan evans , microcar nut, avin it large with the plastic pig brigade, good times, no animosity with other micro owners and no "one upmanship" . drive what you like,or what you can afford. most important thing is to drive it. legislation from the euronuts would see us all driving electric "cars" and anything unusual banished to museums,never to pop n fart again. pull together folks, or it will all be gone. AND dont forget, this years rally is hosted by the bug club, which are wholy accepted in the micro world,and are indeed, a reliant in a pretty frock. discuss !
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His safety seven is a green one. He told me that he robbed the engine from the safety seven to put in the Mk3! Very strange!
Oh yes, I know the chap. Ian Munroe I think his name is? & used to have a Trilox Rollsette too which came to Southwell '06. Not to worry Bob, his Safety Seven (an Oxford registered car too!) had a Reliant 850 engine in it as the original lump had gone years ago. So it is probably that 850 engine now in his Mk 3...
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re the "reliant thing",, as a child, i would be collected from school in a schmitt one day, scootacar the next, berkely, trident, and a red early sidevalve drophead reliant, dads owned several sidevalves since,and had a very early alloy bodied one ! alan evans , microcar nut, avin it large with the plastic pig brigade, good times, no animosity with other micro owners and no "one upmanship" . drive what you like,or what you can afford. most important thing is to drive it. legislation from the euronuts would see us all driving electric "cars" and anything unusual banished to museums,never to pop n fart again. pull together folks, or it will all be gone. AND dont forget, this years rally is hosted by the bug club, which are wholy accepted in the micro world,and are indeed, a reliant in a pretty frock. discuss !
Amen to that!
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Blue one at the top is a Raleigh Safety Seven. Grey drophead is a Regal mk 3. Green 'un's a Regal Mk 2 & the rest are supposedly invisible to micro buffs.... ;)
The rest? I can't see any others?
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Stuart, he told me the mk3 now has a side valve correct engine in it and that he also sourced the right one for the S/seven so all is present and correct now. That Mk3 is lovely, My dad had two and I also owned one myself when seventeen, I love the reddish brown paint inside them, makes you feel like you are riding in a bakelite radio!! All our family cars were dogged with blowing head gaskets, a common problem I'm told, head warping etc.
Daughter of Bamby , ditto, ditto to all you say , except you keep showing your prejudice against electric cars, there are electric microcars out there that are great fun too, the Enfield is good but so are some of the modern ones too, my wife G-wiz is a fantastic city car which I nick off her every day much to her dismay!! I guess you are obliged to pour scorn on certain electric Peels and rightly so! Just remembered a guy I know from Leytonstone reworked one of your dads Bamby's and made it electric using a curtis controller and a Lynch motor, it was very drivable and knocked spots off the original. Live and let live including electric!.
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bob, i dont doubt there are driveable electric cars, but, as a dyed in the wool petrol head, i just cant bring myself to give them any time. when im not building/driving micros, i can be found at the dragstrip with my 8litre 1957 chevrolet drag car, trailered by my 6 litre 1960 chevy elcamino, followed up by hubby in his 5.7 litre 1956 chevy belair. i ll leave it to the battery cars to offset my very large carbon footprint. 24 cylinders ,,almost 20 litres and 1450 horses between 3 cars,, petrol is my thing,, as long as theyre pumpin the stuff, i ll keep burnin it. 8)
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Sad!
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naaa, misunderstood !
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bob, i dont doubt there are driveable electric cars, but, as a dyed in the wool petrol head, i just cant bring myself to give them any time. when im not building/driving micros, i can be found at the dragstrip with my 8litre 1957 chevrolet drag car, trailered by my 6 litre 1960 chevy elcamino, followed up by hubby in his 5.7 litre 1956 chevy belair. i ll leave it to the battery cars to offset my very large carbon footprint. 24 cylinders ,,almost 20 litres and 1450 horses between 3 cars,, petrol is my thing,, as long as theyre pumpin the stuff, i ll keep burnin it. 8)
In the news today "though fuel duty was reduced by 1p in April this year, the UK government is planning to make up for that with two increases in 2012. From 1 January, duty will rise by 3.6p a litre." :o
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Stuart, he told me the mk3 now has a side valve correct engine in it and that he also sourced the right one for the S/seven so all is present and correct now. That Mk3 is lovely, My dad had two and I also owned one myself when seventeen, I love the reddish brown paint inside them, makes you feel like you are riding in a bakelite radio!! All our family cars were dogged with blowing head gaskets, a common problem I'm told, head warping etc.
Daughter of Bamby , ditto, ditto to all you say , except you keep showing your prejudice against electric cars, there are electric microcars out there that are great fun too, the Enfield is good but so are some of the modern ones too, my wife G-wiz is a fantastic city car which I nick off her every day much to her dismay!! I guess you are obliged to pour scorn on certain electric Peels and rightly so! Just remembered a guy I know from Leytonstone reworked one of your dads Bamby's and made it electric using a curtis controller and a Lynch motor, it was very drivable and knocked spots off the original. Live and let live including electric!.
Might be controversial but I am not convinced that you can have a traditional electric microcar. In the era that interests me electric vehicles needed about half a ton of batteries to go anywhere. Is an Enfield a micro car? Thus an electric microcar had no range and was less than useless, Hazelcar. If it had range it was to big to be a microcar. Therefore in my mind an electric microcar does not exist as a practical reality and my take on them is much as Bob's on Villiers Invalid Carriages, which to my mind are microcars designed for a specific driver and therefore part of what was going on. Beyond that flirting with battery power does little to move vehicle technology forward to a real answer to replacing the IC engine. It can only be a stop gap until or unless highly efficient batteries are available cheap - loads of nasty pollution. The fuel cell has far more possibilities as does IC engines powered by fuel sourced via sustainable resources be that windmills, alga or coal. Besides if the younger generation are going to kick up and whinge about the older generation who created a well ordered lifestyle for them and only ask for fair compensation in old age I feel totally entitled to use up all the fuel and let them be clever enough to find an alternative solution! As to tax rises, not very clever at the moment.
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Just remembered a guy I know from Leytonstone reworked one of your dads Bamby's and made it electric using a curtis controller and a Lynch motor, it was very drivable and knocked spots off the original. Live and let live including electric!.
Another interesting character, again the sort to have at an event. There to prove folk like me wrong.
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raleigh looks like Danny Steansons from Co. Durham . nice guy,i have met him , and his wife susan, many times at Bond rallies - a mark F tourer i think . thought the resto was a mark I/II Reliant whats the difference between them ? early Reliants look great - i like the Grey one here but the red ex-David McNiece one is Georgeous and very "BUBBLY"
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thought the resto was a mark I/II Reliant whats the difference between them ?
Buy this on 6th September & find out.... ;D
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1935-1973, these are the ones we want at the National. Shame I wont be there to get a signed book Stuart, are you doing mail order?
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Stuart, he told me the mk3 now has a side valve correct engine in it and that he also sourced the right one for the S/seven so all is present and correct now. That Mk3 is lovely, My dad had two and I also owned one myself when seventeen, I love the reddish brown paint inside them, makes you feel like you are riding in a bakelite radio!! All our family cars were dogged with blowing head gaskets, a common problem I'm told, head warping etc.
Daughter of Bamby , ditto, ditto to all you say , except you keep showing your prejudice against electric cars, there are electric microcars out there that are great fun too, the Enfield is good but so are some of the modern ones too, my wife G-wiz is a fantastic city car which I nick off her every day much to her dismay!! I guess you are obliged to pour scorn on certain electric Peels and rightly so! Just remembered a guy I know from Leytonstone reworked one of your dads Bamby's and made it electric using a curtis controller and a Lynch motor, it was very drivable and knocked spots off the original. Live and let live including electric!.
Might be controversial but I am not convinced that you can have a traditional electric microcar. In the era that interests me electric vehicles needed about half a ton of batteries to go anywhere. Is an Enfield a micro car? Thus an electric microcar had no range and was less than useless, Hazelcar. If it had range it was to big to be a microcar. Therefore in my mind an electric microcar does not exist as a practical reality and my take on them is much as Bob's on Villiers Invalid Carriages, which to my mind are microcars designed for a specific driver and therefore part of what was going on. Beyond that flirting with battery power does little to move vehicle technology forward to a real answer to replacing the IC engine. It can only be a stop gap until or unless highly efficient batteries are available cheap - loads of nasty pollution. The fuel cell has far more possibilities as does IC engines powered by fuel sourced via sustainable resources be that windmills, alga or coal. Besides if the younger generation are going to kick up and whinge aboutdlde older geneuation who created a well ordered lifestyle for them and only ask for fair compensation in old age I feel totally entitled to use up all the fuel and let them be clever enough to find an alternative solution! As to tax rises, not very clever at the moment.
What is a traditional electric microcar? Would it go by body size? Weight? Motor KW? I think we should go by the current light quadricycle class. weight of the batteries shouldn't come into it. I'm not a huge lover of electric cars, much preferring to drive petrol powered light motorcycles and cars but have to acknowledge the benefits I'm currently enjoying by being a G-wiz co-owner. Saved a fortune in petrol over the past two years!
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And more saving to come! Who knows what the definition is and I am not sure it greatly matters. Its more about folk.
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Stuart, he told me the mk3 now has a side valve correct engine in it and that he also sourced the right one for the S/seven so all is present and correct now. That Mk3 is lovely, My dad had two and I also owned one myself when seventeen, I love the reddish brown paint inside them, makes you feel like you are riding in a bakelite radio!! All our family cars were dogged with blowing head gaskets, a common problem I'm told, head warping etc.
Daughter of Bamby , ditto, ditto to all you say , except you keep showing your prejudice against electric cars, there are electric microcars out there that are great fun too, the Enfield is good but so are some of the modern ones too, my wife G-wiz is a fantastic city car which I nick off her every day much to her dismay!! I guess you are obliged to pour scorn on certain electric Peels and rightly so! Just remembered a guy I know from Leytonstone reworked one of your dads Bamby's and made it electric using a curtis controller and a Lynch motor, it was very drivable and knocked spots off the original. Live and let live including electric!.
Might be controversial but I am not convinced that you can have a traditional electric microcar. In the era that interests me electric vehicles needed about half a ton of batteries to go anywhere. Is an Enfield a micro car? Thus an electric microcar had no range and was less than useless, Hazelcar. If it had range it was to big to be a microcar. Therefore in my mind an electric microcar does not exist as a practical reality and my take on them is much as Bob's on Villiers Invalid Carriages, which to my mind are microcars designed for a specific driver and therefore part of what was going on. Beyond that flirting with battery power does little to move vehicle technology forward to a real answer to replacing the IC engine. It can only be a stop gap until or unless highly efficient batteries are available cheap - loads of nasty pollution. The fuel cell has far more possibilities as does IC engines powered by fuel sourced via sustainable resources be that windmills, alga or coal. Besides if the younger generation are going to kick up and whinge aboutdlde older geneuation who created a well ordered lifestyle for them and only ask for fair compensation in old age I feel totally entitled to use up all the fuel and let them be clever enough to find an alternative solution! As to tax rises, not very clever at the moment.
What is a traditional electric microcar? Would it go by body size? Weight? Motor KW? I think we should go by the current light quadricycle class. weight of the batteries shouldn't come into it. I'm not a huge lover of electric cars, much preferring to drive petrol powered light motorcycles and cars but have to acknowledge the benefits I'm currently enjoying by being a G-wiz co-owner. Saved a fortune in petrol over the past two years!
1000 miles on a charge?
http://www.gizmag.com/schluckspecht-ev-world-record/19535/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=0cda2f8c92-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email