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Title: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: golo2 on August 31, 2011, 08:31:10 PM
Not sure where to post this!
I plan to bring Cursor No2 to the National (event?) also offer it for sale (mart?) it is not as poorly as when purchased body stabilised and steering/chassis overhauled, body top has had stainless attaching bolts fitted and front suspension rebuilt to original spec. it rolls now -along a horizontal plane.
Still lots to do. Have old log book and original bill of sale  thnk an 80 is fitted but also a 50 with it.
Hard top and soft top-apparently unusual to find either

So any interest? can deliver on route home to Oxford.(if paid for) someone suggested 1K it goes at that but will consider swops for Drascombe boat or two decent sit on kayaks ??? or offers.  One project too many. (Mentioned before on this forum)
Please spread the word (discussion points?)
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Big Al on September 01, 2011, 08:14:53 AM
I have two kayaks with some equipment like dry suit - doesn't fit me (I use a Pilot whale pelt I found on the beach). These store well on their duffle pegged tags in the roof of the garage/shed and are about 12 foot long from memory. They are sea worthy but never done it as I am well wobbly with low freeboard. I am on route. Sadly the kayaks are not having been chucked in Bassinthwaite Water etc over the last 10 years, so they are oop t'North. You know where I am if you want to have speaks. If you had not to take the Cursur then you could take your Bamby as it sounds like at least two others might be there.
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: golo2 on September 01, 2011, 05:59:46 PM
Hi, as always good to hear from you. Regarding Bamby I suggested a Bamby effort at the National but was not considered OK for this year. Maybe next??
After the welcome last year with my newly restored schmitt I have vowed never to take it again. I think a cow pat on a stick would have generated more interest and communication. The Isetta row was buzzy with lots of folk all chatting and introducing themselves. Also Frisky corner (no not the ladies sectiopn  non pc but don't care.) I have had plenty of time to refect on why do I go???? The local shows are good for a mostly free day out and risking meting the public at large!!  the no reverse gear experts -along with May and Clarksole-
The National was good for spares and advice and what is now trendily called  networking (used to be meeting ppeople did'nt it?)
Have too many Isetta spares and unless I sort the tiresome schmitt unlikely to need spares. Getting too old for networking/have adequate network already. So guess it is to support something but not sure what.

So reason for taking Cursor is to take a car that can be freely critised, insulted, ridiculed even scorned should anyone wish to speak. Rather than be one of an endless clone row of cars that experts will find fault with (those side windows are .0007 too thick, they did not have such and such as original etc etc etc Whose car is it anyway??
Not a wonder new folk are in short supply. Unles it rains I'll be there on Sunday and if Cursor sells before will bring Bamby






Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Big Al on September 01, 2011, 07:28:40 PM
Your not alone in this I am afraid. Do not know what the answer is other then get it together locally. I am failing even to do that at the moment. Once I have Bazzer sorted we can get your Schmitt sorted out and try and get Marc going too. I think Nick is up for some fun in the sun if 'shifts' or whatever surgery consultants have allow but it is all looking like next year really. Once the car is running and there are chums to play with then the rally is the crock of gold at the end of chasing the rainbow and the trip up and back is more fun than the event in a way. Also having a runner reinforces your credentials and you have tales of daring do to tell in defence! Keep the faith.
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Kabine on September 01, 2011, 08:05:57 PM
From what I hear you do not even have to turn up at a meeting to  have your car appraised ;D Makes me laugh to hear what they have been saying. Agree with the increasing lack of time, its sometime just nice to meet and deal with friends.
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Bob Purton on September 01, 2011, 09:25:00 PM
Are we perhaps being a little too sensative? What do I know, I'm always away on holiday during the National!  " HAVE TOO MANY ISETTA SPARES?"
 I would dearly like to buy a good one piece front wheel for my Isetta, do you have anything please?  Cheers, Bob
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: golo2 on September 01, 2011, 10:49:34 PM
still looking for steering bits!! and fairly sure there are no wheels
Lots of gearboxes (gearbi??) steering wheels, dynastarts, dashboards etc etc and full glass sets
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Big Al on September 02, 2011, 07:54:42 AM
Are we perhaps being a little too sensative? What do I know, I'm always away on holiday during the National!  " HAVE TOO MANY ISETTA SPARES?"
 I would dearly like to buy a good one piece front wheel for my Isetta, do you have anything please?  Cheers, Bob

I might have found an Isetta wheel. I just need to check it is not the one for my Watsonian Mk2 Bambini RAC sidecar. Well you got to have one without a bike just in case something breaks down I guess! Next prob, cannot remember where I put the sidecar attachment and hub to check if it is this or a Mini wheel. Why have I got all this stuff? Yet I still contemplate more while attempting to get shot of things I no longer want. The only cure is marriage, trouble is might go Mormon and have to many of them plus some bits! Naaargh!
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: wilksie on September 02, 2011, 01:21:46 PM
Your not alone in this I am afraid. Do not know what the answer is other then get it together locally. I am failing even to do that at the moment. Once I have Bazzer sorted we can get your Schmitt sorted out and try and get Marc going too. I think Nick is up for some fun in the sun if 'shifts' or whatever surgery consultants have allow but it is all looking like next year really. Once the car is running and there are chums to play with then the rally is the crock of gold at the end of chasing the rainbow and the trip up and back is more fun than the event in a way. Also having a runner reinforces your credentials and you have tales of daring do to tell in defence! Keep the faith.

I'll most definitely make the effort but must be on my way now. I haven't had confirmation of transport for two Lollies tomorrow. Urrggh.
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Bob Purton on September 02, 2011, 05:19:09 PM
Are we perhaps being a little too sensative? What do I know, I'm always away on holiday during the National!  " HAVE TOO MANY ISETTA SPARES?"
 I would dearly like to buy a good one piece front wheel for my Isetta, do you have anything please?  Cheers, Bob

I might have found an Isetta wheel. I just need to check it is not the one for my Watsonian Mk2 Bambini RAC sidecar. Well you got to have one without a bike just in case something breaks down I guess! Next prob, cannot remember where I put the sidecar attachment and hub to check if it is this or a Mini wheel. Why have I got all this stuff? Yet I still contemplate more while attempting to get shot of things I no longer want. The only cure is marriage, trouble is might go Mormon and have to many of them plus some bits! Naaargh!

Hi Al. Let me know. Not about your conversion to Mormonism or imminent polygamous marriages but if its an Isetta wheel or not. I could measure the PDC for you but have just tucked Thumper away in the lock up. Not before I cured its non idling prob, turned out the choke plunger had lost its tip, had the same thing when I had the schmitt so should have guessed earlier!
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Bob Purton on September 02, 2011, 09:06:52 PM
still looking for steering bits!! and fairly sure there are no wheels
Lots of gearboxes (gearbi??) steering wheels, dynastarts, dashboards etc etc and full glass sets

Hi Ian. I forgot you were golo2!  Now I have the falcon radials fitted the steering issues have faded away but do need a wheel as one of my front ones has a slight wobble. I may need one of your steering wheels for a project I'm working on. Will be in touch. Cheers, Bob
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Big Al on September 03, 2011, 08:53:31 AM
HI Bob, sure you do not want a Trojan one on its column..... it is the new accepted root to solve a common problem on a well trod project as it is long enough! I pulled Roots apart for him and it awaits the angle grinder.

Oh its an Isetta wheel OK. I am sure Watsonian used Mini wheels once they were available but this sidecar is an unusual one and I need to be sure. It is even possible the wheel came with the sidecar but is incorrect and I have to rediscover the fact. Its called age. The British Isetta wheel is a bit of an oddity but the stud pattern is a standard one even if the thread size is 'to big'. I believe there are still trailers using it and of course Schmitts use it but with much narrower diameter studs. So you could happily have an 8 inch wheeled Isetta so as to upset your back and create traffic jams (Isetta drum just fits inside a schmitt wheel and is part of an excepted way to hydraulic brakes for KR200)
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: golo2 on September 04, 2011, 08:02:39 PM
Mart-still for sale (two firm offers, one swap proposed, one thinking , one person to e mail so no nearer!)
Event-National --great organisation, lucky sunshine, met lots of old friends , sorted schmitt points (they were faulty) and given a clue about cutting out-has my petrol cap got an airhole??-no idea will look Monday. The Cursor attracted lots of interest and people spoke to me so plan B worked well. A great day out and thanks to all who do the hard work setting up and running it.
Example--as I was eating my cold bacon sandwich in my tow car (daughter made it felt obliged to eat it) two marshalls came over I wondered what I had done BUT they had come to see if I needed to leave and would have put a call over the Tannoy to arrange movment of cars in the way. Not needed but great observation of a possible issue.
Also good to be near the RUM cars gazebo  and priveliged to be next to the Allard clipper -Cursor and Clipper both eccentric and unusable in their time!
Discussion??  anyone else like the National this year?
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Scootacar_mk1 on September 04, 2011, 09:24:40 PM
was the record broken??
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: golo2 on September 05, 2011, 08:20:22 PM
No, by about 40 cars but recount in progress
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Big Al on September 06, 2011, 08:13:34 AM
was the record broken??

In other words just slightly scratched so it jumped during the solo. Just to sober folks a little apparently the German Messerschmitt rally had over 190 cars this year!
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on September 06, 2011, 08:26:24 PM
was the record broken??

Just to sober folks a little apparently the German Messerschmitt rally had over 190 cars this year!

So is that because there are more Messerschmitts in roadworthy trim in Germany, is it a one-off record for that rally or is there something central to the Messerschmitt rally that is attracting people and their cars to it, which the National has yet to capture?
Title: Re: Mart, Event + Discussion
Post by: Big Al on September 07, 2011, 09:07:44 AM
I would suggest that it means the Germans are more interested in Microcars than we are at the moment. They have a bigger country in which to drive to events but manage to turn up. They tend to have cars they have spent money on and that work so they have quite extensive road runs. They spend money and time at the venue to create an ambiance with run outs that often include filling a town square or visit to a manufacturer linked to the hobby. They also have a pride in their engineering achievements. That means a two way dialogue and access to town squares and a manufacturer linked to the hobby. A kind of sponsership in that rather than finding problems for these gatherings like in Britain there tends to be offers of solutions, from what I understand. That said even the Police seem much more helpful to such things and having a few outriders certainly whips most folk into shape out on the road. The convoys I have participated in have more often than not bought the place to a standstill so everyone else can watch. Certainly they are safer than here when moving a lot of cars. Put it together and why would you not want to attend a meeting of fellow enthusiasts?
I just wonder what would the turn out be if there was a German 'National Rally' - Story was closest - organised with German efficiency and passion, yes they do have it folks! I think you would find 400 microcars attending without much problem save the organisation would be practically a part time job over a year for someone with police etc involved.  If that were the case how many foreigners would it pull in on top once proven?

What was the turn out at the Dutch Rally, as a comparison?

My thoughts on the National are a pretty well known rant and I will not repeat it here. Ultimately the first issue is to have continuity of finance and support, that seems to be in place well enough. From there the volunteer organisers have to have the right to organise the event as they see it using as much of the afore mentioned support as they need. Outsiders cannot demand more than that. To have a more 'German' or better event thus can only really come from those who offer the continuity demanding more, might be counterproductive and you would have to ask them if they thought it were possible, or from an organising volunteer who can make it happen and who gains the required support to do it. Who is to say this better vision is going to be successful as there does seem to be a difference in the way Brits rally on mass to our chums across the channel but it would do no harm to nick their best ideas as they do seem to work. For myself I would apply my simple business litmus test. Always try to do a bit better than last time. It has always worked thankfully.

Just to look at this the opposite way without being negative. There are British micronauts now that chose to not attend our major rallies but will drive their worked up microcars across into near and far Europe to attend their rallies. I noticed quite a few folk who were not present at the National who were reasonably local but who chose to do something else over the weekend. You might need to find out why they no longer attend British events or participate much in British Clubs. Certainly on getting a running car I would be looking to join them in attending some of the European events as my primary driving activity backed by some local stuff unless my pigging leg means I ought to get a campervan so I can let it deflate periodically during the weekend.

Does this help answer the question?