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Title: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 03, 2012, 10:03:37 PM
Hey,

  As some of you know, I started making tin models.

My first one was a sort of vintage racing car (see 1st pic), and my 2nd was the coffin/shed car we bought!

What do you think? Took a while to make, but I'm happy with the result :)
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: marcus on February 04, 2012, 08:01:04 AM
Nice. I made a Trojan and a Tg 500 from cigar tins, paper clips etc. You might want to try Resin too.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 04, 2012, 12:39:14 PM
Nice. I made a Trojan and a Tg 500 from cigar tins, paper clips etc. You might want to try Resin too.

WXhat sort of resin do you mean? Makingn a wooden mold then cast with resin?

I will try and make a TG soon, but its gonna be a challenge! I'll try and buy some flat metal, since the tin I use isnt flat, it keeps curling, warping, and its corrugated!

JP
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: marcus on February 05, 2012, 08:54:55 AM
2 pack expoxy-based modeller's putty, like Milliput. Mix it, shape like Plasticene then let it harden. From Model, Arts and Crafts, and some DIY shops. Also used a lot in film and TV, Museums, and restoration work.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 05, 2012, 10:25:42 AM
2 pack expoxy-based modeller's putty, like Milliput. Mix it, shape like Plasticene then let it harden. From Model, Arts and Crafts, and some DIY shops. Also used a lot in film and TV, Museums, and restoration work.

Doesnt seem as fun, butv I bet its easier!

JP
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 05, 2012, 11:34:20 PM
Next on is this... I already made the right wing. I wonder fi I will mae it the same as the car, having 2 different wings? When the car was rolled back in 1960, they swapped a few parts over, like the door and left wing. The right wing is the early 2 piece one, more rounded, like the 175 ones. The wing I made so far is very rounded, I could do both ;)

JP
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: marcus on February 06, 2012, 08:33:52 AM
Tin toys and resin ones both have their appeal and uses/challenges. My Trojan model was all tine, my TG 500 was tin with resin on nose and wings. I curved the Trojan tin by hammering, but the TG's deeper nose and wing curves were too much for the tin which split so I did basic shallow curves then added resin to flesh-out the curves. I only had 2 very poor  quality black and white photocopies to work with, and memory, and had to guess some of the shapes, like the rear end of the Trojan. The copies were from a library book in Fulham, and I thought the TG was white, but I did copy the number plate. decades later at my first NMCR in 2008 I had my models on display on the back shelf of DUF. Returning to Duf after a break I saw that a pale blue TG had parked in front of DUF and I recognised the number, and got a few photos of the TG's owner holding my model in front of their car.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 06, 2012, 11:41:02 AM
Tin toys and resin ones both have their appeal and uses/challenges. My Trojan model was all tine, my TG 500 was tin with resin on nose and wings. I curved the Trojan tin by hammering, but the TG's deeper nose and wing curves were too much for the tin which split so I did basic shallow curves then added resin to flesh-out the curves. I only had 2 very poor  quality black and white photocopies to work with, and memory, and had to guess some of the shapes, like the rear end of the Trojan. The copies were from a library book in Fulham, and I thought the TG was white, but I did copy the number plate. decades later at my first NMCR in 2008 I had my models on display on the back shelf of DUF. Returning to Duf after a break I saw that a pale blue TG had parked in front of DUF and I recognised the number, and got a few photos of the TG's owner holding my model in front of their car.

You got any more pictures of them? (I only saw the one you posted ages ago)
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: marcus on February 06, 2012, 09:03:22 PM
That's the only ones I have, can post them again if you like.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 06, 2012, 09:16:37 PM
That's the only ones I have, can post them again if you like.

Ones? I only saw one picture, of both next to each other. Can you please post the others?

JP
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: marcus on February 07, 2012, 09:06:13 AM
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/Captain_Bubble/TG5002632D.jpg)


That's DUF, my red Trojan parked in front of the TG in the bottom pic.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 07, 2012, 02:13:47 PM
(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/Captain_Bubble/TG5002632D.jpg)


That's DUF, my red Trojan parked in front of the TG in the bottom pic.

Nice! Thats a proper microcar rally. Shame there arent any like that over here, south of France!

JP
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: marcus on February 07, 2012, 02:18:30 PM
ANY microcar rally is bound to be good if it has a nice, fun, cartoony logo, just like your new site  ;D
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 07, 2012, 09:26:42 PM
ANY microcar rally is bound to be good if it has a nice, fun, cartoony logo, just like your new site  ;D

Hehe yeah! That means my new sit is already awesome, even if its blank, just has the logo you made :)
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: richard on February 09, 2012, 05:22:09 PM
does this count as a model?
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 10, 2012, 02:22:14 PM
does this count as a model?

Does what count as a model?
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: richard on February 10, 2012, 03:03:02 PM
this  :D it didn't print
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 10, 2012, 03:41:42 PM
this  :D it didn't print

Wow! A bit big for a model, but where do you draw the line? Real cars can be classed as models - a 1/10 size car with a petrol engine is still a model, a full size car is a model with more details!
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Big Al on February 11, 2012, 08:49:25 AM
The Thunderbird Four Roly made quite a hit at the time. I wonder if it still exists. Much more original than another Del Boy Van.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: richard on February 11, 2012, 11:47:04 AM
i never saw that one
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 11, 2012, 12:27:43 PM
Fray Bentos = perfect schmitt wings!
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: richard on February 11, 2012, 12:50:25 PM
much prefer your crafting in metals - keep it up
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 11, 2012, 01:18:15 PM
much prefer your crafting in metals - keep it up
Thanks! As I've said, the main problem I have is getting the metal...
Baked bean tins arent good, there corrugated, and warps like hell when I try to make it flat/straight. I found some better beer cans, that are flat, but still very thin. Fray Bentos, tuna and tomato puree cans are perfect, but only for small parts like the wings, since the metal from them is small.

I started making a 2cv a while back, but I only have the chassis for now, I dont have any good metal! Any of you know what type of metal I can easily buy at tin thickness that can be soldered and glued with hot glue? I cant seem to solder the tins very well.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: richard on February 11, 2012, 03:11:29 PM
can old only think of the scrap yardyard in england nowadays . all metals in the ground next to the skip for recycling must be some odd tin . we have thrown away a few biscuit tins and sweet tins this xmas quality street / celebrations etc. they would probably be good for you.
heres what we have at hand
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 11, 2012, 03:49:16 PM
can old only think of the scrap yardyard in england nowadays . all metals in the ground next to the skip for recycling must be some odd tin . we have thrown away a few biscuit tins and sweet tins this xmas quality street / celebrations etc. they would probably be good for you.
heres what we have at hand


Not sure if they woukld be good for soldering. Beer cans will be alrught nfor this actually, just flimsy.

We may have a few of those tins I'll check :)
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: richard on February 11, 2012, 07:11:10 PM
but where on earth would you find a beer can in your house ? :D
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 11, 2012, 07:27:28 PM
but where on earth would you find a beer can in your house ? :D

Hehe I didnt get it in the house, too cold fr beer, I had to go in the shed, looking in the recycling bin bag! Luckily they were on the top!

Here is the beginning of the nose. Still needs a load mre work, needs to be steeper than that, then comes the hard bit, when I put the light pods in!
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 11, 2012, 07:28:34 PM
forgot it
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 14, 2012, 08:59:15 PM
That nose was crap. The one I done after that was too...

I'm happy with the third one though!

I could put filler on the nose, but then it wont be the same... The real car has loads of small detns on the front of the nose, and I still like the idea of this being my 2nd piece of metal I shaped with a hammer (I'm talking about 2 way shaping!), and dont want to "cover my work" to make it look better lol

I'll probably get the nose floor done tonight, and maybe even fit the front wheels (already made them)
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: richard on February 14, 2012, 09:51:57 PM
i like it jonathan - no filler ,not in the spirit at all. did wonder though if you had posted this on the right topic . didn't you mean to put it on crashed micro's  :D
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 14, 2012, 11:27:52 PM
i like it jonathan - no filler ,not in the spirit at all. did wonder though if you had posted this on the right topic . didn't you mean to put it on crashed micro's  :D

Hehe good one!

It looks worse in the picture then it is, but yes, it must have had some sort of crash!  ;D

Its going along fine now, I done most of the wheels, lacquered the outside (that touches the ground), so it doesnt chip off, finished painting the nose white, with 3 coats of white.

I'll do the ali now.

JP
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Big Al on February 15, 2012, 09:38:09 AM
I can see it coming. The Boddingtons wheeling machine. Drink till your liver is nigh on dead and get a free wheeling machine. Then these metals and alloys are not the easiest to work with as are they very malleable after processing? Annealing etc? Most of the models I have seen avoid compound curves unless they were present in the formed donor container. Got a very nice 2CV. An interesting hobby and a test to find the limits of possibility. Not done this myself. I was seduced by plastic card and ended up making equipment selling it to War Gamers. The demand for Elephant Tanks and such was quite lucrative for a while. A whole lot easy medium than recycling tins.
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 15, 2012, 10:07:11 AM
I can see it coming. The Boddingtons wheeling machine. Drink till your liver is nigh on dead and get a free wheeling machine. Then these metals and alloys are not the easiest to work with as are they very malleable after processing? Annealing etc? Most of the models I have seen avoid compound curves unless they were present in the formed donor container. Got a very nice 2CV. An interesting hobby and a test to find the limits of possibility. Not done this myself. I was seduced by plastic card and ended up making equipment selling it to War Gamers. The demand for Elephant Tanks and such was quite lucrative for a while. A whole lot easy medium than recycling tins.

Hehe tin model making is a lot more fun than plastic card models! Plastic card is hceating, you dont need to straightne it for a flat surface!
Title: Re: Anyone fancy a garden shed/coffin model?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on February 18, 2012, 11:20:09 AM
So... I got somne flat tin from a can of thinners. Its perfect! Doesnt solder perfectly, so I had to touch up with glue. 

Here is the nose so far