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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: blob on February 07, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
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Just wondering what the terminal marked '30' in between '30' & '15' actually does? Looking through my spares I noticed this terminal has been altered.
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Just wondering what the terminal marked '30' in between '30' & '15' actually does? Looking through my spares I noticed this terminal has been altered.
I guess the easiest way is to test it with a multimeter, trying out all of the key movement combinations.
JP
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The switch has two live tags so that additional items can be powered without being subject to the ignition being on. In most cases the tag has no use but if you wanted a radio, interior light or something you can attach it exclusive of the cars wiring loom - should carry an in line fuse as you cannot turn the current off. It is very useful when chasing wiring faults as it should be a known and convenient live to jump a suspect part of the loom. I have a length of wire with crocodile clips either end just for this task. Great for Schmitt tube looms that have been melted and throw up strange faults, for instance. Many good quality ignition switches have this double live tag arrangement.
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have you seen the price these things are going for on ebay !! blimey last weeks went for £275 with no key and this weeks has a few days to go is at £128 already , with correct key . why do all these schmitts have no ignition switches .
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have you seen the price these things are going for on ebay !! blimey last weeks went for £275 with no key and this weeks has a few days to go is at £128 already , with correct key . why do all these schmitts have no ignition switches .
We could seriously buy a messerschmitt project if we sold a few of our spare ones! We have a tub full of them.
My dad once found a load of NOS SK 150 ones (used on invacars) at an autojumble, of course he bought the lot! He sold most of them, the only one left is going on my Nobel.
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Richard, I know you are prone to exagerate but the one that sold last week sold for £175 and not £275.
I notice the seller , a regular participant on this forum is keeping quite, he also has a cellar full!
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... swings and roundabouts, two before that went for £157 with a Key & £215 without! Anyway as we're on the subject, I was wondering how many levers the lock was supposed to have?
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You could go down the cellar and check! ;)
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sorry to mislead bob - a typo , should have been £175 of course :'( the one on now is even higher.
let this be the answer then , to the question i was asked on this forum , why i would buy parts for a car i don't own ! as i help goggo on his beaulieu stall twice a year what we hope to sell has been gleaned from autojumbles , ebay , small ads , car boots etc. all year round . we do the donkeywork so that others not so inclined may assemble the parts for their restoration . i know for a fact that at least one of these Huf switches was gleaned in this way . it can be a long, but enjoyable slog and not everything bought easily finds a customer . BUT IT'S GREAT FUN - the thrill of the chase and all that
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sorry to mislead bob - a typo , should have been £175 of course :'( the one on now is even higher.
let this be the answer then , to the question i was asked on this forum , why i would buy parts for a car i don't own ! as i help goggo on his beaulieu stall twice a year what we hope to sell has been gleaned from autojumbles , ebay , small ads , car boots etc. all year round . we do the donkeywork so that others not so inclined may assemble the parts for their restoration . i know for a fact that at least one of these Huf switches was gleaned in this way . it can be a long, but enjoyable slog and not everything bought easily finds a customer . BUT IT'S GREAT FUN - the thrill of the chase and all that
Even better chasing after cars!
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There is one selling at £404 at the moment, surely this is a wind up? I'm looking at one on my shelf right now, shall I sell it instead of using it on my Nobel special? £404 could pay for the paint job!!
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Its just 2 people wanting the same thing,and determined to get it.I needed one for my second frisky and was surprised when i had to pay £175 which is more than i paid for the first frisky i ever owned in 1965.If you think about it buying a ford focus ignition switch would set you back about £100 so its all relative.We are all enthusiasts and its our hobby so the costs,although sometimes painful are secondary.I think £400 for a huf switch is auction fever and suspect future ones will be a lot cheaper,but that's my opinion. We live in interesting times.
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well four different bidders have been in the race at above £200 . suspect the next month or so will see so many on the market that they won't fetch as much as this though. comparison with modern car parts is always interesting , i wonder why we expect rare and n.o.s. parts to cost much less than parts for the mundane modern runaround ? but we do still . or have done in the past eh ?
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There is one selling at £404 at the moment, surely this is a wind up? I'm looking at one on my shelf right now, shall I sell it instead of using it on my Nobel special? £404 could pay for the paint job!!
Bob, if you want to sell it, wait until I sell mine first! I have a NOS one, I will list it as a buy it now for 450£, before this one ends ;)
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well four different bidders have been in the race at above £200 . suspect the next month or so will see so many on the market that they won't fetch as much as this though. comparison with modern car parts is always interesting , i wonder why we expect rare and n.o.s. parts to cost much less than parts for the mundane modern runaround ? but we do still . or have done in the past eh ?
Because fewer people want the parts??
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We were just about to put a N.O.S. Huf switch on with a Buy It Now price of £450 when I noticed Barry Rossiter has put a N.O.S. one on at £375 ! I'll watch his and see what happens. Nick.
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Still want to know how many levers in these locks? >:( I have a parts lock with 4 remaining levers but there are 6 slots, so am I missing any?
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Not sure these switches are rare. What is more likely is having key and switch and the ability to restore them. That and that people are clearly buying parts as investments now. Good news for those who have well stocked shelves but not for those restoring cars. I begin to believe Andy when he says a Schmitt is worth more in bits than restored from the reasonable wreck you found taking into account effort. That is proof positive that restored Schmitts are in fact suffering a depressed price!
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a Schmitt is worth more in bits than restored
The same could be said about a Nobel, consider the price of the number plate light, ignition, steering rack... all sort after parts.
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i think barrys ad reads too negatively really . honesty is one thing but he almost infers there could be something wrong with his item . i am sure it's not the case but inviting doubt .
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Could be why the underbidder hasnt snapped it up!
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Could be why the underbidder hasnt snapped it up!
Up to 460 now! Could be shill bidding if the underbidder hasnt bought it.
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Well, I've put one on as well. I don't expect it to sell, but you never know. Nick.
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Hmm, thinking about what i can do with my storage of 10 of these ignitions nos?
Anyway i should scrab them ,ey ;D
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no wonder the prices are so high! a few people have stashed away all the spares!
that reminds me of a story-
many years ago I was at a meet and Ken Weger was talking with someone about their recently restored Isetta.
They got to the ashtray on the dash and the owner mentioned how expensive it was to purchase.
Ken said something like "Oh I know, I found the last batch of them overseas and bought them all!"
To which I replied: "Well, that would explain why they are so expensive now."
I think I ruined his story because he gave me a dirty look (well, that is how I recall it...)
oh well, back to discussing your retirement plans.
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Control of supply is a prerequisite to profit taking. Or in other words money goes to money. If you cannot afford the rates you are out of the game until the items are of no great value any more. Trouble is if most are out of the game who is interested in looking at the stuff in museums or meetings as there are plenty of other cheap things out there to play with until the moneyed come along to buy that game unto themselves. Most fun is in leading a trend not buying it up afterwords, or worse, watching from the sidelines, in my book, and of course it can be profitable into the bargain if you pick your new trend well. Alternatively you service the new well priced market with quality services or parts as you might know what you are doing having been in at the start. All things have a lifespan and cannot get in a HUF over it.
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found the last batch of them overseas and bought them all
Put it this way, if I'm at an autojumble and see a mass of items that I know are scarce, I'll buy the lot! Though on more than one occasion I've had sellers reluctant to sell me the whole batch, deaming it unfair to other punters. Hmmm.... if it's for sale why not sell them all to me!! ;D
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found the last batch of them overseas and bought them all
Put it this way, if I'm at an autojumble and see a mass of items that I know are scarce, I'll buy the lot! Though on more than one occasion I've had sellers reluctant to sell me the whole batch, deaming it unfair to other punters. Hmmm.... if it's for sale why not sell them all to me!! ;D
Likewise and indeed so. Swines one and all, but then you put yourself in the position to buy the lot by getting out of your armchair and doing something constructive!
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I know its a free market and that dictates the prices but its pretty frustrating for someone trying to restore a car on a budget when he know that some greedy so and so is sitting on all the spares to finance his mortgage! In the past I have given parts away for free to genuine people restoring cars, the favour tends to come back when I need things, this is how the hobby should operate. Cooperation not racketeering.
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found the last batch of them overseas and bought them all
Put it this way, if I'm at an autojumble and see a mass of items that I know are scarce, I'll buy the lot! Though on more than one occasion I've had sellers reluctant to sell me the whole batch, deaming it unfair to other punters. Hmmm.... if it's for sale why not sell them all to me!! ;D
Thats what my dad done with the NOS ignition switches! I dont think he has any NOS ones left, he sold a few and fitted others on cars.
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...All things have a lifespan and cannot get in a HUF over it.
well put! I'm not begrudging anyone for buying things and then reselling them later at a profit.
I just find it amusing that the very individuals who have control over the supply and demand might wonder why the price of something is so high.
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Though I'm relatively good at rooting out parts none of my finds have come easy, I reckon I discover 1 item per jumble. Occasionally I'll sell the odd thing to trim my spares or sell to friends at a reduced rate, but I would rather swap spares for equally rare parts, as money is easier to earn than it is to find irriplacable components!
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Though I'm relatively good at rooting out parts none of my finds have come easy, I reckon I discover 1 item per jumble. Occasionally I'll sell the odd thing to trim my spares or sell to friends at a reduced rate, but I would rather swap spares for equally rare parts, as money is easier to earn than it is to find irriplacable components!
Thats what my dad likes to do!
Its definitally better, since if you offer soemone an equally rare part, it makes the other guy WANT to trade his part, because he may not have wanted to sell it.
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Well I'm 75% through restoring a complete wreck of a KR200 where the main body tubes were about the only useable part. Every panel has been replaced thanks to the club re-producing them and several people have helped me out by selling me parts at realistic prices (80's prices if truth be told). Without this help the car would (and should) have been scrapped. And Nick, thank you - very generous!
It's now running sweetly and just needs all the fluffy bits put back on, so thank you everybody who has helped - you have saved the car's life. 400-odd quid for an ignition - having a laugh I think!
If I sell the KR when it's finshed I doubt I'd make a profit as new club spares have cost a lot and there has been hours and hours of hard graft.
Still need a fuel tank - anybody got one that doesn't leak for sale? Happy to purchase or do restoration work in return (engine rebuild/mechanics etc). Based in Scotland-shire.
Sensible prices and like minded people have been very much appreciated.
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I know its a free market and that dictates the prices but its pretty frustrating for someone trying to restore a car on a budget when he know that some greedy so and so is sitting on all the spares to finance his mortgage! In the past I have given parts away for free to genuine people restoring cars, the favour tends to come back when I need things, this is how the hobby should operate. Cooperation not racketeering.
Unless it is a Nobel steering rack.
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At a slight tangent. It is now noticeable that specialist restorers are selling off project sports cars that are leaping in price restored. If you follow this up you find that despite their being in the trade and able to get parts they still are unable to create a finished car for the price the restored cars are fetching. So the cars are passing to the 'capable enthusiast' who, while he might pay a little more on his spares budget, does not have the overheads of a business employing people. IN real terms some of these guys are under the radar dealers. No doubt there is a certain amount of feed back labour in reality to the companies selling as they have skills that are in demand. However what this shows is why prices are climbing and you can ignore Gov speak about inflation being 2.thrub% a year. Here is the real rate of inflation for all to see as these are items people want to buy. The drift up in prices is related to the cost of new spares which are going up and are not alloways completely accurate, much is imported now, and original spares naturally become collectors items. Microcars are part of this world now. They are no longer part of the wheelbarrow collectors world of bits and bobs, swaps and making dodgy repairs in the shed at the bottom of the garden.
This whole raised profile, raised value thing has pressurised the club aspect of ownership. Sadly I have taken to rarely allowing things to be borrowed as they tend not to return. Likewise restoring stuff leads to the expectation you will empty your collection of best spares for the benefit of customers. You bang on. Real quality parts are best swapped as the money you get swiftly is unable to buy an equivalent replacement. Partly inflation, partly increased value. It all goes back to the Bankers crisis and the fact they chose with Government connivance to undermine the value of cash money. They are still doing it. Parts are worth more than cash! Parts are not taxed. The City does not trade in parts so no percentage to them. I want parts!
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I know its a free market and that dictates the prices but its pretty frustrating for someone trying to restore a car on a budget when he know that some greedy so and so is sitting on all the spares to finance his mortgage! In the past I have given parts away for free to genuine people restoring cars, the favour tends to come back when I need things, this is how the hobby should operate. Cooperation not racketeering.
Unless it is a Nobel steering rack.
Well funny you should say that, my rack was actually given to me by my good friend Blob of this forum.
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Parts swapping is best all round. Its worked well for me in the past. Both parties get what they want, no money changes hands and more cars get restored.
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my rack was actually given to me by my good friend Blob of this forum.
Actually I think I sold that to you when I was in my £10 per item faze! ;D
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Oh well, as good as gave, it was much appreciated anyway. I'm reamering out the new eccentric bush holes this afternoon. Can do the same on your one if it needs it.
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I know its a free market and that dictates the prices but its pretty frustrating for someone trying to restore a car on a budget when he know that some greedy so and so is sitting on all the spares to finance his mortgage! In the past I have given parts away for free to genuine people restoring cars, the favour tends to come back when I need things, this is how the hobby should operate. Cooperation not racketeering.
Unless it is a Nobel steering rack.
Well funny you should say that, my rack was actually given to me by my good friend Blob of this forum.
I dont think there really special, because its not really the type of part that goes wrong. They could wear down like yours Bob, but dont tend to "break".
Rear windows on the second hand are probably gonna be worth a load! I'm lucky to have reserved one of Mike Ayriss's ones!