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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Barry on February 09, 2012, 07:14:39 AM
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Micro Crashes
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I wonder if there are pictures of the Isetta that was stood on by a confused circus elephant. Not a mechanical one, incidentally. Look out Thumper!
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Micro Crashes
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Someone on Facebook had an album of an old race, in there are a couplen of KR200's, and one of them got rolled, there are pictures of it before, during, and after the roll!
If I see them again I'll post :)
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treinkel brakes ? not as good as the car in front :o
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(http://images.scran.ac.uk/RB/images/thumb/0893/08930818.jpg)
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schmitt crash....
(http://u.jimdo.com/www20/o/s026c48e2a2987a5b/img/i839b96340a5cc90a/1309181584/std/das-war-wohl-in-den-60-70-jahren-das-todesurteil-des-kabinenroller.jpg)
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hope no-one was in this one..... :o
(http://fast.mediamatic.nl/f/tqgr/image/352/19367-517-500.jpg)
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This thread is not exactly encouraging poeple to drive there microcars is it! Who starterd all this ? ::)
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Well on the bright side driving your classic is less likely to result in an accident or damage than sticking it on a trailer. Interesting factoid there,
So drive it or leave it in the shed would seem to be the thing. Of course the way round this is to buy one of those cheapo wooden sheds and make it up on a trailer to put your microcar in. Gives a nice two level effect on arriving at your destination with your campervan as well as reducing the statistical risk of damage. Your home contents policy might even cover you and who ever heard of a shed with brakes on it so that silly nonsense about 750 kg can be ignored as well. Personally I would go for a classic Asbestos job as you can get them free and they are less likely to be nicked. The green mould and moss finds it easy to attach to the surface giving that look of permanence over those upmarket Hymer cedar wood guys with the Wood and Pickitt optional fencing. Indeed such is the drive to bring all the comforts of home to events these days I hear tell that the several small bungalows are under construction, in what is unofficially called Marshall Lane, at the Cotswold Wildlife Park in anticipation of a return to that venue on the anniversary year. Also at least one burial plot has been purchased so as to not miss the prize giving.
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How much do you have to cough up for an asbestos garage these days?
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How much do you have to cough up for an asbestos garage these days?
Most of your lungs I believe.
Of course you are not allowed to smoke inside your asbestos garage any more so as to make it healthy for everyone else who might be in there looking at your stash or helping to tune the car in the dry. So you have to push your car out before you start it. This negates the benefits of it being flash fire proof unlike a Hymer styled wood shed but has the handy additional health effect of providing an early warning system that collecting asbestos products and smoking was a bad career move. Time to get that re enforced asbestos coffin to annoy the crem.
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One way to wreck a Prinz (at 0.40) followed by a Goggo! http://www.britishpathe.com/video/amateur-race-like-chimps/query/car+crash
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good grief did you see the driver in the car at the very end ! upside down and back to front - no straps at all !! madness :)
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I must admitt that was quite entertaining. An interesting assortment of light weight vehicles too.
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Belive it or not, but deliberately rolling a car is actually quite fun! Back in my banger days I did twelve ramp rollover contests in five years with everything from Fiesta's to Mk 3 Escorts to a very bouncy Hillman Avenger with no shock absorbers on one memorable day. If you can keep your eyes open, there really is no thrill quite like it. If only I hadn't got a ban, I'd still be contesting the annual competition today...
Anyway, slightly back on subject, Big Al showed me this rather amusing film a little while ago from a 1970s track day at the Nurumbergring. If you're a fan of small NSU's & VW Beetles, look away now... :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xwc54G2Ur8
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Not sure that qualifies Stuart, I think I spotted 1 Daf and a couple of NSU's in the whole piece, this however is truly micro (0.38) http://www.britishpathe.com/video/summer-storms-in/query/small+car+wreck
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For dead DAFs you cannot do better than the Dutch racing DAFs and other things backwards. This film includes the Messerschmitt on two wheels which appears as a clip on its own elsewhere. There are several versions of the racing up to about 28 minutes. I think it is a converted film as in some versions the image is back to front.
I believe there is German film of Goggo banger racing somewhere.
All these clips show the joys of life before Health and Safety anaesthetised activity to the point where much is not worth doing as the element of danger is required to make it rewarding. There is a balance but where is it? Probably in Bob's garage out of an Isetta.
I am tempted to offer links to sheds crashing but that might be pushing a joke too far!
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Found it at last!
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More pics here https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2229196528951.2102739.1218964179&type=3
You can only see them if you have a facebook account
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Just as well he was wearing his safety cloth cap!
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Just as well he was wearing his safety cloth cap!
Nope, that wasnt driver. Driver is still in it!"
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I have seen those racing pics before, nice to see again!
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Poor quality picture - can you find a better version anyone?
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and a bond...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46751088@N06/4395536562
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Here it is....................(from Google images)
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Related (sort of)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1719849.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1719849.stm)
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Related (sort of)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1719849.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/1719849.stm)
Robbin' B##t##d!
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'Dont you stick your tongue out at me you arrogant Schmitter type person. You wont like me when I am angry as I wear surfers shorts'
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Microcar??? Microvan perhaps.
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Microcar??? Microvan perhaps.
Tempo Goliath
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Microcar??? Microvan perhaps.
Tempo, tempo!
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Microcar??? Microvan perhaps.
Tempo, tempo!
About 120 Beats Per Minute.
(Muso joke)
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And one in the eye for some who missed da vid of it.
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Modern crashes
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Violins gently playing in the background. Now both probably restorable!
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Peel Crash
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1024545058492.2004420.1371222215&type=3
Some good Microcar photos here - but can you follow the link? it may only be shared with his friends.
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Bit large for my standards but could be considered micro... Fiat 126, plus yet another NSU ;D
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Bit large for my standards but could be considered micro... Fiat 126, plus yet another NSU ;D
Ive got a pic of a 126 I saw at a scrapyard 10 mins away from here. Whole roof was concaved in if I remember!
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This one must have had an accident!
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i love it . did you ever try biscuit tins ?
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i love it . did you ever try biscuit tins ?
Nope, since I found a couple of Thinners cans, which are rectangular, perfect size too!
I just made the dome. Dome iust just as crappy as the nose, I'll just say I'm making a Bandai replica!
Probably get it finished within a couple of days, so I can then finish the 2cv (I made about 1/3 of it), then finally start the Bentley... I bought a book about model making. Most of it is far beyond my desires and capacities, but it has a load ofn chapters excplaining the process for bodywork, wheels, tires, etc... I will make the Bentley as good as possible!
JP
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And in true microcar form the Bandai replica will become proportionally as valuable as the real thing. Should not have a friction drive inside but an old yoghurt pot or something for that authentic wrongness.
That then passes my Uncle Cliff's test of a good business. Making money out of what people throw away.
The next target is to do what he did which is make money out of things he was paid to take away. Like NCR cash registers during decimalisation. Not only made a fortune but had the machine to charge it on. Learned a lot about business from Clifford but my Dad always thought he was a bit dodgy and thought I ought to have a proper job. I now know who was right but partly because times changed.
I wonder if Alfred of Emden is still doing his dustbin runs for free flea market stock? Great guy and amazing what he found at the side of the road including whole cars, leather three piece suites etc.
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Could happen to a Microcar?
The Honda crotch rocket rider was traveling at approximately 85 mph.
The VW driver was talking on a cell phone when she pulled out from a side street, apparently not seeing the motorcycle. The rider's reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident.
The car had two passengers and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them.
The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 20 feet from where the collision took place.
All three involved (two in the car and the bike rider) were killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at the Motorcycle Fair by the Police and Road Safety Department..
Pass this on to car drivers or soon to be new drivers, or new motorcycle owners and especially everyone you know who has a MOBILE phone!!!
A picture is worth a thousand words.
Save a life. Stop talking on mobile phones and Texting while trying to drive.
The life you save may be your own..... Or mine...
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Stop talking on mobile phones and Texting while trying to drive.
Raise the minuscule fine to £1000! Then it'll probably stop, unfortunately it's no deterrent in London as I see plenty of offenders every single day.
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Quite agree about raising fines, and yup, loads of people still use hand-held, perhaps 10%. I was very nearly run over on a zebra crossing on Old Kent Road a couple of years ago, big new Jag doing about 60-70 (30 mph limit!) drove on without seeing me or the crossing, gabbing away on h-h phone.
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I think the mobile phone issue is pretty irrelevant when some nutter is doing 85mph past a junction. How many microcars would have had suffcient acceleration to have made the turn and avoid a bike travelling at 125ft per second?
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True, I can find little sympathy for the motorcyclist, 85 is far too fast on any road with junctions. As a regular cyclist I know that everyone on two wheels has to be very wary: at a T junction where you are on the main through road you will frequently see the driver wanting to join your road looking straight at you, you fix them in the eyes, but then their brain says "it's alright, it's just a bike, I'll pull out anyway". You HAVE to be ready to brake, swerve or jump or you will be another statistic. This biker was going far too fast anyway, and left him/herself no space or time to manoever. Probably young and inexperienced and enjoying the thrills of (short) life.
Sadly it is not just young motorcyclists who die. Plenty of older men can suddenly afford a nice bike after year of work and relive their adolescence. These Weekend Warriors can be seen all over the country, but they fail to understand that their modern machines are going very much faster than the bikes they grew up on, and also fail to realise that their reactions are very much slower.
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I would have thought it were quite feasible to equip these amazing computer controlled modern cars with an engine cut out if a mobile phone signal of a certain strength was used inside it without the system being on a proper hands free set. If it were up to me I would ban them as well, but the real danger are the bandits wuffing at phones in the hand. That would be a useful extra, like self de icing front screens most cars do not have. Modulated head lights that do not dazzle when in the presence of light etc etc. No lets go for totally useless extras which massage the ego of the driver, remove him further from reality into a computer game and make loads of money by programming the whole thing to go pop on a random time/mileage basis to get extra revenue. The majority fall for it. These guys will not be happy until the have perfected the long term lease a series of cars to us called 'ownership' as the accepted system. Safety, its a thing you do to keep the Government quiet, if they do not apply pressure where is the motivation. Do people buy predominantly the safest cars on the road, no. They tend to buy the trendiest thing they can get away with.
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Its like the fatal G-wiz crash that happen over a year ago, a female research scientist was killed in North London, immediately the news papers were full of stuff about how the G-wiz is unsafe and should be banned [of course if you did that you would have to ban all bicycles, motorcycle, vintage/classic cars and anything not meeting a modern crash test for full size cars!] , months later when the results of the inquest were made public it turned out that she was on her mobil phone, not wearing a seat belt and pulled out into oncoming traffic. It does put a slightly different complexion on the accident.
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Cars are constantly getter bigger, safer and more comfortable. They are also capable of much higher speed, cornering and braking, so drivers feel comfortable and safe, and take more risks. They also drive faster, because to get speed thrills in a modern car is impossible at any legal road speeds, whereas 30-50 mph in a bubble is very exciting.
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.....without the system being on a proper hands free set. If it were up to me I would ban them as well, but the real danger are the bandits wuffing at phones in the hand.
I believe research data says that hands-free and handheld mobile phone use are about the same danger - it's the distraction, not the use of one hand, that's the problem. Otherwise smoking, eating and drinking would need to be banned too.
I think the law is restricted only to handheld because:
- the police can't prove hands-free use;
- the legislators use hands-free themselves and they can't be a problem, can they?
I think mobile phone use today is just where drink driving was 20-30 years ago - most people think it's dangerous for others to do, but they think they themselves do it safely - along the lines of "I think I'm actually a safer driver after I've had a drink or two".
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.....without the system being on a proper hands free set. If it were up to me I would ban them as well, but the real danger are the bandits wuffing at phones in the hand.
I believe research data says that hands-free and handheld mobile phone use are about the same danger - it's the distraction, not the use of one hand, that's the problem. Otherwise smoking, eating and drinking would need to be banned too.
I think the law is restricted only to handheld because:
- the police can't prove hands-free use;
- the legislators use hands-free themselves and they can't be a problem, can they?
I think mobile phone use today is just where drink driving was 20-30 years ago - most people think it's dangerous for others to do, but they think they themselves do it safely - along the lines of "I think I'm actually a safer driver after I've had a drink or two".
Yup, that's about it!
For a while my girlfriend had a neighbour whose routine was to get her children into her Range Rover Sport, strap them in, get in a strapped herself, start up the car, clap the phone to her head, then drive off at high speed along tiny residential roads. Any children playing in the road or pets had a loud blast of horn but no deceleration or allowances made for them. I never once in 3 years saw her driving without holding the phone to her head, or looking backwards and thrashing her other arm over the seat-back her to scold the children. The new RR was at the bodyshop about every 3 months.
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Its like the fatal G-wiz crash that happen over a year ago, a female research scientist was killed in North London, immediately the news papers were full of stuff about how the G-wiz is unsafe and should be banned [of course if you did that you would have to ban all bicycles, motorcycle, vintage/classic cars and anything not meeting a modern crash test for full size cars!] , months later when the results of the inquest were made public it turned out that she was on her mobil phone, not wearing a seat belt and pulled out into oncoming traffic. It does put a slightly different complexion on the accident.
Rather red faced in more ways the one!
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A microcar winning a confrontation with a lorry:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DXqggvUJpI&NR=1
A topic from last year, but I meant to post this youtube link for some time. At 46 sec the driver's foot slips off the brake pedal on to the accelerator. For the first 15 seconds there appears to be another Biscuter in the background with the soft top up.
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^ Great fun!
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yes but rusty chrome posted the same piece exactly under his biscuter thread , a couple of days ago . i was the only one to comment didn't any one else watch it .he also posted another biscuter film - very good as i said the other day ;)
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I have a good excuse...I was away with my girlfriend!
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cherche la femme ;) do look at rustys though the other film is great stuff biscuters en force
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Cheers, have done so!
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Not quite a crash, Isetta cornering!
http://vimeo.com/4823589
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That rear over-hang saved the day!
It looks to me like he was accelerating hard out of the corner while already leaning, and that is where single rear wheelers are less stable.
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I wonder if the original design, a four wheeler would have fared better, I recon so. An arguement for corner casters on the back then Mini Comtesse style!
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Yup, I reckon a 4 wheel Isetta would have lifted a wheel a few inches but not as much as that one.
Single-front wheel cars are most unstable when braking while cornering, and the momentum throws the weight "diagonally" to left or right of the wheel and the car tips over at the front. With a rear single braking in a corner is safer, and as this is the commonest and most potentially dangerous emergency manoever having 2 front wheels is that little bit safer, but the drawback is that heavy acceleration while cornering can lead to the inertial force going diagonally over the back wheel and making a front wheel lift, as on this clip. The closer spacing of Heinkel-Trojan rear wheels will only be very slightly better than one wheel, but the Isetta's greater rear wheel spacing and heavier weight would be better.
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Added to the mix is which wheel is powered. If the rear powered wheel skids it is not applying full power and the car has some sort of self correction through inefficiency. It is quite possible to flick the rear of a Messerschmitt round or even three wheel drift it. I do not recommend it now the cars are valuable but those of us who had £100 cars did all sorts of daft things in them. Grip was always a problem with Schmitts, particularly on cheaper tyres. The Isetta has a good meaty tyre and I have really only seen them skid by provocation or adverse conditions. I would put the Treinkel between the two but the front suspension does make reclaiming a tip more difficult than the other two.
Berkeleys T60 have the ability to wriggle out of serious situations by benefit of being front wheel drive. That and the tubby tail, which becomes sacrificial in rubbing of speed and roll to the road.
Bonds should be falling over all the time, but they do not. They are strong little chaps in their way and certainly a good Bonder has the measure of his steed. Suffering seems to be more down to the unobservance of other road users. Bugs are a different matter and I think you either like the Reliant handling or you do not. Its a different technique.
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Mea culpa! I didn't click on the 'Biscuter' topic.
But isn't it nice to know that few, if any, microcar related clips or photos escape us as a Forum? 'Sooner or later we'll get you' as the cops used to say to some of my juvenile mates.
In this context, please keep posting old microcar photos! Personally, I am going through a bit of an Isetta phase. But any of the others will do too to keep the addiction under control.