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Title: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 12, 2012, 05:59:55 PM
Goggo kindly invited me to join him on a visit to Bath at the weekend, but Squeak needed cheering up and it was her son's birthday as well as mine so I had a long weekend with her in Kent. On Sunday we went for an afternoon drive and ended up at Tenterden so a brief visit to the Kent and East Sussex Railway and its museum seemed like a great idea as we both like trains.

Sadly we had just missed the last train to Bodiam Castle so that will have to wait for another day, but we had tea and a good look around the station and small museum, and the period look and atmosphere there is really nice. Squeak bought me a lovely model of a Scammell Scarab in the station shop:


They have some lovely old rolling stock, including Pullman coaches, cranes and other items of interest. We had not much time, but apparently you can visit the maintenance sheds and other places along the line.

The small museum chronicles the life and work of Colonel Stehens who ran KESR and 15 other Light Railways, clearly an exceptionally dedicated and hard working person. Lots of photos, models and railway items to see, and at the end the extraordinary loco Gazelle, originally used by the Shropshire and Mongomeryshire Light Railway for small numbers of customers: just SIX, who had to stand on the floor behind the driver. After complaints they extended the sides and made a roof over the rear of the floor and installed two seats. Later they added a screen for the driver with two portholes, and then they bought an old horse-drawn tram wagon and converted it to railway use for greater passenger comfort. I think this must be one of the world's most whimsical and charming trains, and in 1948 Punch magazine commissioned the brilliant Roland Emett to do a series of drawings of branch lines and he visited the S&MLR where he saw Gazelle and the odd coach, and many of his cartoons, automata and especially the Oystercreek and Far Twttering Railway which he made for the Festival of Britain. Emett aslo made The Breakfast Machine for Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, and many other fantastic whimsical creations.

Gazelle is thought to be the world's smallest preserved standard gauge loco.





Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 12, 2012, 06:25:49 PM
While I was on-line researching Gazelle last night I found this website, with lots of superb photographs of a wide variety of locos of all ages,  and 2nd from bottom is a nice shot of Gazelle as she is now, the museum is small so it is not easy to get a great photo of her there. The roof and heightened walls over the passenger standing area have now been removed.

Also present in the photos are some Hunslett locos, so a real Micro Car connection there as they made Scootacars. Look too for the wonderfully daft Spooner's Boat about 2/3 of the way down.

http://tomsrailwayadventures.weebly.com/nrm-york-railfest-2012-5th-and-6th-june.html


Also see www.kesr.org.uk
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 12, 2012, 06:45:34 PM
My fav is still Prince. Will he be returned to service for his 150th anniversary? So many childhood memories of being pulled up into Snowdonia by a pretty and hard working little loco. A MIcro loco and could yet return to being the oldest working original loco in the world. Pity he is to small to do full line work any more on the two lines he was made for so he is no longer 'an important engine' in Fat Controller's eyes.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 12, 2012, 06:58:47 PM
When I went on a climbing and camping "holiday" in Snowdonia we ignored the train but did see it in the distance, and we avoided the easy climb up which most people know. We climbed up Snowdon the tough way: 3ft crawling up the steep scree slopes for every 2ft sliding back down. VERY tough, but fortunately it was too windy to go via the terrifying Crib Gogh "knife edge" route. Later we went past the site of the Ffestiniog Railway, but it was closed down. That's my only experience of Welsh railways!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 12, 2012, 07:31:45 PM
Ffestiniog railway closed down ? do you mean closed ? it's very much open a great line that climbs right up from the beach through terrific views into the slate mining areas of Blaenau Ffestiniog - theres lovely

by the way great idea , off topic , as i and i suppose others sometimes get annoyed by how much is already " off topic " so at least we know now and can seek it out or not   now try and find a place for big al  :D
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 12, 2012, 08:01:47 PM
It was when I went there perhaps 1974 much of it was closed but a new campaign to re-open it had started and I have always wanted to go back and see it.

In the great "On The Rails" TV series with Mark Williams there is a section about Ffestiniog which was HUGELY influential around the world as no-one else had yet made a proper narrow gauge railway. It was the model for Rhodesian railways and lots of railways USA.

I personally don't mind a bit of amusing thread drift now and again but I understand that some don't, but also plenty of people here like other cars, motor bikes, mopeds in cabbage fields etc., so I thought "why not ask?". Glad you like it, and as you say, those that do not don't have to!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 13, 2012, 08:10:49 AM
'74 the only bit that was open was probably across the Cob. It was around then they opened up to Tan y bwlich, which was the terminus for some time due to the need for The Deviation to gain hieght and pass round the track bed flooded for the Trysfaned power station. This produced the longest court proceedings in GB against the National Grid for damages which the railway eventually won, opening the way to Blaneau. Apologies for spelling, I struggle with English and Welsh is not on the Smellcheque.

Now a visit offers the chance to see Fairlie, double Fairlie, Garret and I forget the other multiple, as well as quite a few more traditional designed small locos within two lines joined at the hip. Bung in an old car and B & B and a great long weekend's holiday at least. Better still rent a cottage overlooking Llanfair near Harlech for a week and enjoy one of the best vistas round the country. I still think the castle is one of the best too, it is moulded onto its uplifted promontory with such purpose as to put off attack before you have even started. The railways would be a great partner in a big MIcrocar event as they like to have publicity to pull in new visitors.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 13, 2012, 08:17:49 AM
Ffestiniog railway closed down ? do you mean closed ? it's very much open a great line that climbs right up from the beach through terrific views into the slate mining areas of Blaenau Ffestiniog - theres lovely

by the way great idea , off topic , as i and i suppose others sometimes get annoyed by how much is already " off topic " so at least we know now and can seek it out or not   now try and find a place for big al  :D

Is this the 'out of date confections' area as opposed to 'off Topic'?
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 09:22:13 AM
The Fezheads play at Swanage Blues Festival every Spring and Autumn, starting with a lunch-time set at Bankses Arms Hotel, then strolling down to the station at the end of the pub's garden, with a great view of the picturesque ruins of Corfe Castle, then take the steam train into Swanage for more drunkeness and debauchery. Standard gauge rail, and sometimes some failry big locos, like West Country/Battle of Britain "Spam Cans". Commuting between gigs on a steam railway is a VERY civilised way to earn a crust!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 09:29:31 AM
I looked at the Ffestiniog site:

http://www.festrail.co.uk/fr_history_1.htm?mn=14&sm=14-0

I seem to remember hiking through Beddgelert (Sp?) and I think that's where we saw the track bed and heard rumours that the line might one day be re-opened. Yup, Fairlies and Garrats are amazing locos and blazed a small trail across the world, opening up railways in places thought impossible.

I know what you mean about Welsh spelling Al, Ffestiniog runs near the River Dwyryd.No offence to Welsh, but to a non-speaker the language looks like the result of monkeys on a typewriter! Just imagine if John Lennon had been born and raised a few miles further South, he would have sung "Ddychmygu there's no heaven, it's easy if you try..."
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 05:07:10 PM
this will bring out the sons of glyndawr and they will burn your house down my fave welsh words - tacsi , ambiwlans , bac pacio ,bikio - i saw the sign nim parcio bikio ,  tatws ! OMG that last one  :D
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 05:27:30 PM
Ah, taters! That one took me a while to figure!
Wherever you go in Wales you see signs saying "Creoso in Cymru", but it does not mean Creosote for sale!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 05:41:29 PM
welcome to wales ! i did notice in north wales , where i work a lot , for the jubilee there was bunting everywhere , throughout the towns and villages - but no red , white and  blue in sight . it was all red , white and green !!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 05:50:10 PM
Good for them!

Have you ever been to Llandudno, Dickie? I know you are pretty close. Is it a nice place to visit and stay a couple of days? I am starting to feel a wish to visit Wales again and check out Ffestiniog, the Orme Cable Car and cable tram, plus other places. I have played gigs 3 times in the Tommy Cooper Marquee at the Big Cheese Festival in Caerfili (beside the castle) but other than that have not spent any real time in Wales since 1974.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 06:19:39 PM
lovely place . havent stayed there for many a year - very genteel and favoured by the elderly nowadays - you should fit in fine . ;D
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 06:23:24 PM
 ;D

I quite like genteel places.
Shame they don't like me!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 06:38:54 PM
now moderator how will you deal with this  :D as your off topic topic has even gone off topic i.e. only i mention of the kent and essex in two pages !  :)
i am going to scupper the whole idea - we have been on wales and blaenau ffestiniog railway so what if i drag the subject onto micro's ? 
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
try these for size
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 06:45:29 PM
1 heading over the old Queensferry Bridge the English Welsh border
2 over Denbigh Moors
3 the picturesque run around the numerous , about 7  :), small reservoirs on the way to Blaenau
4 the slate mine above the steam railway

wots this ? micro's on an off topic topic - should be banned  :)

oddly enough we made the pilgrimage to Portmerion - now theres a place ! home to The Prisoner number 6 and all that - but i cant find the photo's . i will look again
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 06:52:43 PM
Great photos there!

First though Wales IS on Topic, K&ESR have Gazelle (one of my favourite small locos) from the Shropshire and Montgomeryshire Light Railway, part of which was presumably in what is now classed as Wales. Or close enough!

I made a cigar tin model of a Trojan about 30 years ago, based on memory and on a poor quality B&W photocopy of a photo in a book in my local library, I think it was "Cars of the 50s and 60s", by Michael Sedgwick, and if memory serves the car shown was WSU 816, the one in your pics!

The model is not great, but I really had very little to go on, and absolutely no idea of the rear shape.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 06:57:29 PM
WSU 816 was mine , where is it now ? the number was only issued in 1988 or so when i registered it . not in that book

got to say aren't Heinkel Trojans the best lookers of all of them ! ( i think my headlamp rims, horn and quarter bumpers were being chromed still , in the pics )
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 07:07:20 PM
Small world! Yes, I can just see the bolt holes for the 1/4 bumpers, and yes, I agree that H/Ts are very pretty cars, with TG 500s equally nice to me, despite my love of 3 wheelers!

here's a photo of the model I made, cigar tin for bodywork, wood chassis, paper clips for trim, plastic Biro caps for hub caps and tap washers for tyres:

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/Captain_Bubble/SDC10039.jpg
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 13, 2012, 07:43:57 PM
frustratingly small pic though sounds great but cant really see it
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 13, 2012, 08:05:11 PM
You can see it and the TG 500 I made in these 2 short vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qTEFdW7yyQ&feature=autoplay&list=UU_42elZmeQYNhrsdb26xVAg&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idCnJ0hDORw&feature=relmfu
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 14, 2012, 01:14:33 AM
Loads to do in North Wales. Just the weather can be, well, Welsh. However If your British you do not let that spoil things. Roman Steps in a gale is an experience to earn you leek and potato soup with crusty farmhouse bread by a roaring fire. Shame that it is the holiday cottage next door but, Hey ho.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 14, 2012, 08:21:34 AM
Roman Steps would be impossible for Squeak with her shot knees. Yup, weather is a constant issue in Wales! I would also like to hitch a ride on that canal aqueduct with no fence or wall between you and a fine fall. Is it Llangollen?
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 14, 2012, 10:21:40 AM
The Pontcysyllte Aquaduct goes the across Dee to Trevor so not that far up the valley. And of course there is a steam preservation line there too.

I was going to say the Precipice Walk but that needs knees as well. GWR Bala to Ffestiniog track bed, fantastic. The Bala bit has been co opted for steam. Little railway across the rail bridge from Barmouth then on to Talyllin, not forgetting the Rydale and Llanbedr Lake railway. There be dragons in those hills.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 14, 2012, 10:49:18 AM
I have climbed Cader Idris....Dragon's Teeth.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 14, 2012, 10:54:28 AM
pontcysyllte aquaduct as al says , briefly 1.000 ft long cast iron ,126ft above the river dee below. it terrifies me ! pics are poor as i cannot even think of looking over the side when going over . footpath on one side , i cannot even walk that !  on the other side nothing but a thin cast iron wall and THE DROP .
much better photos on wiki than i took  ;)
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 14, 2012, 11:37:11 AM
Cheers Squire! I too am terrified of heights (due to being a short-arse?!) but I do like to challenge myself sometimes, hence going on the Thames Cable Car.
I will now DEFINITELY have to walk and boat across the Pontcystitis* Aqueduct**

*(Spelling?!)
**What did the Romans ever do for us?!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 14, 2012, 12:15:35 PM
cysyllte- junctions or links - the spans ? if you do ever go there would love to meet up and you can hold my hand  :)
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 14, 2012, 12:17:27 PM
We must stop meeting like this!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 14, 2012, 12:19:38 PM
actually you can go on a short trip encompassing this or hire a day boat - not cheap, from the Trevor base immediately at the end of the aquaduct - got the T shirt
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 14, 2012, 01:53:00 PM
Dear Marcus

The tow path accross the bridge looks wide enough to drive a Microcar along. So if walking over the viaduct gives you collywobbles perhaps they may allow you to drive over it?

Either that or you could put your bubblecar on the barge and ferry accross the Viaduct.

It would make a great photo.

Chris Thomas
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 14, 2012, 02:01:39 PM
The width looks just about achievable, as long as no pedestrians come the other way! I did see a photo of a Trojan (David Hambleton's?) being pushed up onto a specially made platform on a Narrow Boat in an old Heinkel Trojan Club mag. Somewhere I have some pics of DUF in places where normal cars cannot get.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 14, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
DEar Marcus

In the same way that some people do extreme Ironing and photograph themselves doing it (ironing)
perhaps we could start Extreme Micro driving, by taking Microcars where they have never been seen before, and photographing them doing it. ( no photo shop trickery please).

Suggestions: On a roof top, Up a tree, On a canal barge, In a cave complex, Traveling along a railway line, At the top of a water park slide. There must be thousands more.

Chris Thomas
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 14, 2012, 08:11:41 PM
maybe chris but we cant always be putting micro items here really as some will not be looking off topic  . start a new topic under general
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Rob Dobie on July 14, 2012, 10:10:36 PM
How about a Topic for those of us who haven't got a microcar anymore.  ;D  Like I eat cheese and jam together on a weetabix. ;D
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Chris Thomas on July 14, 2012, 11:09:51 PM
Dear Richard

I must apologise for going off topic. I could not help myself

Chris Thomas
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 15, 2012, 01:12:15 AM
DEar Marcus

In the same way that some people do extreme Ironing and photograph themselves doing it (ironing)
perhaps we could start Extreme Micro driving, by taking Microcars where they have never been seen before, and photographing them doing it. ( no photo shop trickery please).

Suggestions: On a roof top, Up a tree, On a canal barge, In a cave complex, Traveling along a railway line, At the top of a water park slide. There must be thousands more.

Chris Thomas

Balanced on a Policeman's head, perhaps not.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 08:54:10 AM
I posted a photo on Drive It Day 2 years ago of my Trojan and Goggo's Heinkel Ireland parked beside the old dock at Curry Seas, and although it would not be obvious from the photos that was a place normal cars cannot get to as there are big metal posts to stop cars going beyond the car park area. Enough room for a micro to get through though!
In greenwich once Squeak and I found ourselves on a road which had been blocked off so we could not get back onto the main road. There was a cycle lane though, and although I scuffed a white-wall insert on one tyre I did manage to squeeze through. The main road was choc a bloc, but a man in a Jeep Cheroke saw my cheeky manoeuver and started waving and cheering and a few others joined in. He stayed put holding back the traffic for a few seconds so I could get into the road. Lots of friendly waves and thumbs up!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 12:08:53 PM
rather inspired by yesterdays chat i went for a ride this morning to see if North Wales is still where it should be - it is . away by 06.30 and just back 12.00. a really great blast down the A55 to Caernarfon aprox. 90 miles and back down mainy the old A55 pre-dual carriageway route . what takes 90 mins nowadays used to be a full day trip on route for our hols . we used to go as kids with mum and four of us and two dogs in her almond green mini countryman . one of us used to have the job of sitting in the front minding the temperature gauge as the 850cc engine would boil over several times on the way in queues that went for miles and miles .
i stopped off at Conway for tea and toast - silver tea pot,milk jug and water !, and Llandudno to take the Triumph to the top of the Great Orme for the first time the cable cars werent running as i went up but after enjoying the view for a bit when i went back down 09.30 they were. Llandudno looked on cracking form by the way dinghies,windsurfers and paragliders all spotted . 
a lovely morning  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 12:51:27 PM
Sounds great!

When we came back from USA in 1969 Dad bought an old Rover P4 100 then we moved to a bigger house out in the boondocks so he bought a 2nd car for Mum, a 1959 848cc royal blue Countryman with a roof slate over the rust hole in the driver's floor. I learned to drive in that, and a friend's A30, then it eventually became my car until it faded away. Did us proud. Dad still had Rover, then bought a beige 998 Countryman, again did us proud for a while. Then I got my first job and bought a 4 year old 1972 Mini Clubman Estate, did me proud, had a road race against a friend in County Cork. He had 12 in his Citroen GS Club, I have back seat folded, 2 in front and seven lying on top of each other in the back!

Those 3 mini estates could take drum kit, guitars, bass, and amps to gigs, fantastic little wagons!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 03:41:28 PM
2794 TU where are you now ?
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 06:11:31 PM
you will wait a long time for a smile from me - did one in march so not due for one for a while now
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 06:19:19 PM
Nice bike
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
will you still hold my hand on the aquaduct  ;D it terrifies me
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 06:51:38 PM
No, you can ride your Triumph on the footpath!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 08:19:41 PM
can't manage to turn back the topic to micro's but can connect triumph motorcycles to canals . on one the families many canal holidays we spotted this famous triumph combination being loaded onto a barge . who's was it - see the second picture - they were filming . can you tell who it is yet ?
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 08:31:14 PM
A "Fat Lady"? I don't know their names, but those chefs.

Down the road from me is Imperial War Museum, and they have T.E. Lawrence's Brough Superior. Wow! I know diddly-squat about bikes, but know when I am looking at a nice one. I have ridden a few mopeds and scooters and a Triumph tiger Cub and BSA Bantam.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 08:41:45 PM
shouldnt have put the second pic. on i realised too late that the bikes reg. was a bit of a clue  ;)
that is clarissa dickson wright her  partner in crime was the late jennifer paterson
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 09:07:19 PM
A few years ago I was at Gatwick checking in for a flight to Dallas and beside me in the First Class queue was an unmistakableperson with a BBC crew, wearing a burgundy blazer. He always looks a bit of a mess on his TV shows, but in the flesh he is surprisingly big, and laooks like a few big bags of taters piled on two stilts. I committed the sight to memory and as soon as I got away from the queue I did this sketch:

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/Captain_Bubble/SDC11183.jpg
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 09:12:15 PM
alexei sayle ?
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 09:17:56 PM
He and his show have numerous TV World Records, like longest running series, oldest presenter, presenter of more shows than anyone, longest running series with original presenter, more prestigious guests than any other show, more exotic locations than any other show...etc etc etc. A real Star!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 15, 2012, 09:31:27 PM
The width looks just about achievable, as long as no pedestrians come the other way! I did see a photo of a Trojan (David Hambleton's?) being pushed up onto a specially made platform on a Narrow Boat in an old Heinkel Trojan Club mag. Somewhere I have some pics of DUF in places where normal cars cannot get.


Found them:

http://s581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/Captain_Bubble/Drive%20it%20Day%20for%20classic%20cars%201742011/
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 15, 2012, 09:38:31 PM
of course - spot on patrick moore .great pics the've been on before - like patrick moore  :)
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 16, 2012, 09:38:07 AM
Patrick Moore ought to be the first person put to rest by being put in orbit in a visible satellite rather than some over earning geezer.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 16, 2012, 09:48:05 AM
Dear Marcus

The tow path accross the bridge looks wide enough to drive a Microcar along. So if walking over the viaduct gives you collywobbles perhaps they may allow you to drive over it?

Either that or you could put your bubblecar on the barge and ferry accross the Viaduct.

It would make a great photo.

Chris Thomas

Hate to put a downer on things but you are not allowed to have motorized transport on a towpath without dispensation. Sir John Knill did to drive his Schmitt alongside the Kennet and Avon to his house near Bathavon. You need a license to ride a bicycle on a towpath. You could ride a horse over!
 
I have walked the gunwale of a 70 footer over the unrailed side of the viaduct and I am no fan of heights either. Its a right of passage, especially after my mothers cooking.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 16, 2012, 10:00:55 AM
You are right about the Law Al, but there are still occasional opportunities for a bit of cheekily ignoring rules. I will have to try to find the photo of DUF up by one of the small docks on Rotherhithe Street. I found a route in while cycling, and although normal cars are forbidden and too big, I just managed to get DUF up there. The staff at the adjacent hotel came out as I was getting ready to nab a quick photo and I thought there would be trouble, but they just wanted to have a look and a chat. Obviously I would not do anything to cause any harm or obstruction, but a bit of cheek is all part of bubbling!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 16, 2012, 10:05:30 AM
You are right about the Law Al, but there are still occasional opportunities for a bit of cheekily ignoring rules. I will have to try to find the photo of DUF up by one of the small docks on Rotherhithe Street. I found a route in while cycling, and although normal cars are forbidden and too big, I just managed to get DUF up there. The staff at the adjacent hotel came out as I was getting ready to nab a quick photo and I thought there would be trouble, but they just wanted to have a look and a chat. Obviously I would not do anything to cause any harm or obstruction, but a bit of cheek is all part of bubbling!

Challange. Get a Microcar in the new cable car doobrey across the Thames?
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 16, 2012, 10:16:46 AM
Thought of that, but would not be possible, you would first have to get it upstairs to the departure area in a lift, and then past the staff to get it into a car. You would be stopped. However, if you were Clarkson in a P50 and it was been done for the show they might just allow it!

My brother and I DO plan to do "something" there......
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 16, 2012, 01:14:15 PM
A bit worrying marcus
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 16, 2012, 01:18:16 PM
OK, "something musical"!
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on July 16, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
You need a license to ride a bicycle on a towpath.

You haven't needed a permit on cyclable towpaths for a few years now.  http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/see-and-do/cycling (http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/see-and-do/cycling)
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 16, 2012, 05:55:01 PM
OFGS !! ride of the month on that site first page THE SAME AQUADUCT we have been talking about - weird . ok no licence needed for a cycle on a towpath maybe - but nothing with power  then , so a Gordons okay  :D
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 16, 2012, 06:22:30 PM
Amazing! Well I am starting to formulate...a cunning plan (┬ęBaldrick in Blackadder). Sadly nothing is likely to happen this year, too busy.

Interesting to see that cyclists are now allowed on Tow Paths. I hope they show a decent level of consideration for walkers, children, dogs etc., because otherwise the right will very soon be cancelled!

Tow Paths and Bridle Ways have always been unclear legally, with the actual law covering most of them saying "No motor vehicles" but saying nothing specific for or against cycling.
I used to cycle regularly on the south embankment of the Thames from Tower Bridge to London Bridge. There was a sign post saying "Cycle Route to London Bridge" and legally it is a tow path not a pavement, but coppers would often pounce on even the slowest and most considerate cyclists, even though much of the way is quite wide and used to be little used.

Then they promised a cycle lane along it 20 years ago, but all they will was to take down the sign post and put up No Cycling stickers! Then billions of pounds was spent developing the whole area, including the new City Hall, and another clear promise that it would include a Cycle Lane, but again, just more "No Cycling" signs went up! Now it is getting busy so for much of it cyclists have to dismount or go really slowly, so I very rarely go along there any more. Shame. Ironically Transport for London made some TV ads about 5 years ago which were trying to give the idea that cycling in London is fun, safe and relaxing, and one of the shots of happy cyclists showed them cycling past City Hall, where anyone cycling is VERY likely to find themselves stopped by Mr Plod.

The law also is slightly unclear about electric vehicles, but if they cannot exceed a certain speed (15 or 18 kph?) then they are generally allowed on most pavements and towpaths.

Hmmm.....across Pontcysyllte by Drum Car perhaps!

Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 16, 2012, 07:46:26 PM
Just loaded a couple of photos of models I made years ago, a Dalpol Pug saddle tank loco (it's a small model) and an Airfix Bristol 170, type 32 Super Freighter. Sadly none of my micro/bubble car toys are anywhere near the correct scale, but this model Morris Commercial which Squeak bought for me is about right:
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 16, 2012, 08:07:50 PM
You need a license to ride a bicycle on a towpath.

You haven't needed a permit on cyclable towpaths for a few years now.  http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/see-and-do/cycling (http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/see-and-do/cycling)

Is this the lot that have taken over from British Waterways, who used to administer the tow path but are now reduced in power and funding? I know there were licenses as many a boater has a bike to ride ahead to set locks. Those needed to be licensed. Not all waterways are under the same authority. Most rivers are Environment Agency but the fens are not.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 16, 2012, 08:15:08 PM
I could not attach the other photo, so have had to post a link to the Bristol Superfreighter and Morris J Commercial models:

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/Captain_Bubble/SDC10271.jpg
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: richard on July 16, 2012, 10:15:04 PM
nice can you not get the trojan in ? wrong scale ? - a talented man , your in the wrong place  :)
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on July 16, 2012, 11:30:19 PM
You need a license to ride a bicycle on a towpath.

You haven't needed a permit on cyclable towpaths for a few years now.  http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/see-and-do/cycling (http://canalrivertrust.org.uk/see-and-do/cycling)

Is this the lot that have taken over from British Waterways, who used to administer the tow path but are now reduced in power and funding? I know there were licenses as many a boater has a bike to ride ahead to set locks. Those needed to be licensed. Not all waterways are under the same authority. Most rivers are Environment Agency but the fens are not.
It is, but it changed about 5 or 6 years ago, long before British Waterways was axed. You're right there are plenty of other waterways under different authorities, I was only thinking about (ex) British Waterways towpaths.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 17, 2012, 08:25:12 AM
Indeed so. It only makes sense really as so many folk cycle on tow paths. The only real issue is density of use, probably restricted to city areas, and wet areas where the tyres cut up the turf. That said horses hooves would make a better job of that.

That the rules and management change is exemplified in Oxford. The canal is fully moored miles out of the city. The River remains relatively free of moored boats. Two reasons. A river mooring requires management as the level changes so the moorings need adjusting and the Thames licence is created by thinking of a number needed as a budget and dividing among the registered boats on the river. As the cost has risen the number of registered boats has dropped thus the license costs has risen by an alarming amount. Thus most boaters avoid the river which has become the preserve of the wealthy. Not that the canals are as cheap as they used to be. Only the fens seems to be run as the waterways used to be offering cheap living. The shear bleakness seems to put many folk off taking advantage though. Even Captain Bondseye is putting his boat up for sale so as to move ashore as he is finding it hard work to remain living afloat.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 17, 2012, 09:05:36 AM
Every year my old band have our Fig and Date Fayre in a different place, the winners of one year's Fayre have to find the location for the next one. A few years ago it was to be a big pub on a remote hill outside Slaithewaite (pronounced Sloughit) in Yorkshire, so two Fezheads duly went up there to see if it was suitable and to prepare route instructions for the rest of us.

Bro and I got to the area about 11pm with 3 tons of gear in our Extra-Long WB HiTop "Patsy" Transit. Turned left where indicated by the two numb-nut Fezheads, and drove along a towpath. There was no turning place and no way of reversing in pitch black, so on we went. It got narrower and narrower, we had to pull in the nearside mirror because of the buildings close beside us, and the off-side tyres were on the edge of the towpath, almost on the decks of the long boats. We were getting really concerned, but luckily there was a yard next to some warehouses where we were able to turn around and get back to the roads.

When we left two days later in daylight we saw where we had been, and just could not believe where we had managed to drive.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on July 17, 2012, 12:23:12 PM
Reminds me of the first day I drove to work after I'd passed my driving test, slowly and carefully reversed into the very last space available in the car park and then found there wasn't enough space on either side to get out.
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: marcus on July 17, 2012, 12:30:48 PM
^  That's where heinkel-Trojan, Isetta and Janus are the cars to have!
(Except when you drive into your garage, cannot open the front door, and as no bubble car has reverse you stay there till you die, honest guv, it's true!)
Title: Re: Kent and East Sussex Railway
Post by: Big Al on July 17, 2012, 08:12:00 PM
^  That's where heinkel-Trojan, Isetta and Janus are the cars to have!
(Except when you drive into your garage, cannot open the front door, and as no bubble car has reverse you stay there till you die, honest guv, it's true!)

Indeed it is. I have the skeletons to prove it along with a load of cockpitless Messerschmitt fighters!