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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: rettus72 on July 31, 2012, 11:02:25 AM
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Can anyone help me with this? I know it is a nobel, and i think it is a 1959. My dad has had it for years, and i recently inherited it. I was in contact with the nobel registry, and i was told it was possibly for an auto show.
thanks in advance,
Joel
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H. Its a Nobel pickup. It wasnt very successful, I believe some were sold to holiday camps and alike for running folk around it.
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Thanks for the fast reply, how many do you think were made? were they produced by Yorke Noble? any additional information or brochures or articles would be great.
Thanks again in advance.
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Where's our resident expert Jonathan?
http://www.nobel200.com/ (http://www.nobel200.com/)
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Do you have any log book with your vehicle or a Registration No.? Have you been in touch with Mike Ayriss (michael.ayriss@talktalk.net) who looks after the Nobel section of the Register of Unusual Microcars? I know we have one or two of these models on the Register and it would interesting to know if this was one of them. If it is not please let Alastair Lauchland have the details about the car that you have so that it may be Registered with us. If you go on to the home page of our web site you will find details of how to do this. Once you are you have a Registered car you will have access to our archives and we may be able to introduce you to a fellow owner. You will also find there is Nobel page in each issue of RUMCAR NEWS written by Mike Ayriss which gives information on all manner of Nobel variants. for instance the current issue has picture of Bambi, the South American version of your vehicle. There is a lot more to RUM CARS (The Register of Unusual Microcars) than the Forum! Jean
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That is good news, i beleive i have given him the number some years back. I will try and track it down again and verify. once again, thanks for the great site and great information.
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Where's our resident expert Jonathan?
http://www.nobel200.com/ (http://www.nobel200.com/)
Jonathan may be the expert resident expert on the Forum but Michael Ayriss should not be forgotton. HE is the expert who so ably handles the Nobel section of Register of Unusual Microcars and has a Nobel page in each issue of RUMCAR NEWS giving history, technical information and spares availability. Jean.
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Jonathan the Nob anorak is busy cutting the grass with a ride on mower and his MP3 player plugged into his head. We've got a lot of grass, so be patient. I won't tell him now, or the rest of the grass won't get done. Nick, his dad.
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Where are you Joel, in UK or elsewhere ? I have a standard Nobel that gets used a few times each week. My sons car is more of a project, but if you've seen his site you'll know all about that. Nick.
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Can anyone help me with this? I know it is a nobel, and i think it is a 1959. My dad has had it for years, and i recently inherited it. I was in contact with the nobel registry, and i was told it was possibly for an auto show.
thanks in advance,
Joel
Hey Joel,
I vaguely remember having contact with you, if I remember you were in the USA?
The only details of surviving Nobel Pickups I know of are the following:
chassis 0027, in UK and chassis 0030 in UK aswell
That probably means that Mike Ayriss doesnt have your car on the register.
How many made? Not many, but I can;t tell for sure.
I am pretty sure tje bars on the back of your car have been modified. Each original picture of them seems to have different bars.
At least 5 have been built (not counting yours, because yours may be one from one of these pictures)
You may also enjoy this clip http://s286.photobucket.com/albums/ll87/micr0film/Films%20about%20Microcars/?action=view¤t=95_18.mp4
Nobel Vicky in it!
JP
PS: The last picture is a Fuldamobil. However, it was the prototype fulda/nobel pickup sent to Peter York Noble to copy for the Nobels.
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May find these interesting aswell. First one is the Nobel "Sporty" prototype. Sevond is a Bambi Sporty Pickup, third is an Attica Cabriolleta!
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There was a Nobel 200 4-wheeler convertible advertised for sale in the Aug 10th 1961 issue of Motor Cycling by Two Strokes Ltd of Church Road, Stanmore. Only £99! Wonder if this might have been a pickup.
Who are the nobel registry? (I assumed this was Mike Ayriss) I think we should be told!
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There was a Nobel 200 4-wheeler convertible advertised for sale in the Aug 10th 1961 issue of Motor Cycling by Two Strokes Ltd of Church Road, Stanmore. Only £99! Wonder if this might have been a pickup.
Who are the nobel registry? (I assumed this was Mike Ayriss) I think we should be told!
hmmm could have also been a sunroof car (I have only seen 1 original picture of one, but never seen anything mentionned in adverts!), but more likely one of the pickup things!
Yep,
Nobel Register = Mike Ayriss
Nobel Anorak = Jonathan ;D
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Dear Rusty Chrome
If you read Rumcar News, in almost every edition Mike Ayriss write a Nobel Register report.
Well worth a good read.
Chris Thomas
Rumcar News
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Dear Rusty Chrome
If you read Rumcar News, in almost every edition Mike Ayriss write a Nobel Register report.
Dear Chris
I already said that! ??? Perhaps I'm missing something. rettus72 stated in his first post he is in contact with the Nobel Registry and Jean said he should also get in touch with Mike Ayriss as well.
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thanks for all the responses.
JP, i was looking at other photos i have, and i noticed there are a couple of snaps on the top of the window pillar. I guess this would have been for the canvas top, because the rear side bars do raise as high as the front window. I am glad i finally am able to get so much information on the nobel. once again thanks for all the input from everyone.
Joel
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Hey Joel,
Would you mind taking a few more pictures for me and the forum?
Thanks, JP
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There were some pictures of a Nobel pickup in Classic Car Weekly issue no 502 Feb 16 2000. I'll try and scan them a bit later
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I will try and post some more, the nobel is still in MN, i am back in WA state, i did take some more pictures before i returned to WA. I will try to get them posted, also Rusty Chrome, if you could scan that photo, that would be great.
thanks, Joel
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Here are some more pictures, btw this is a rhd nobel.
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last one
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Wow, I'm suprised it was aluminium! I wonder if the Nobel factory built the bodies, or just got them shipped from germany?
EDIT: chassis is a proper Nobel chassis (square section metal, al others had round tubes)
Do you have much history about the car? Where it was sold originally?
BTW, Rusty Chrome that would be great if you could!
Doesnt look too bad as a project, since most of the body loks undented, except the rear. Floor is just flat plywood, no probs there!
Only hard bit would be the seats!
JP
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we still have the seats, they were taken out when the floor started to rot away.
Out of highschool i attended community an autobody school, so this should be a fun project.
I know my dad said the welds on the frame were clean welds, and he was suprised is was square toobing.
The only history i know on it is that he purchased it before 1970, from his boss, the owner of the company. He has had it garaged ever since.
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Jonathan, they all have aluminium bodies! Fronts anyway, the sides are usually steel as I recall. I think you have a little way to go before reaching Nobel expert status! ;)
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Hehe the Bambi pickup is fibreglass, Attica Carbiolleta was fibreglass... All other Nobels were fibreglass (apart from the Sporty prototype, which I beliueve was ali)
Just wait a few years, then I will live up to my name ;)
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Take another look at the last picture on page one showing a fringe topped 3 wheeled version below the color shot of the Bambi . It appears in black and white and was only viewed one time before I did a double take. This one looks to be made of fiberglass by virtue of its compound curved tail section and integrated bumpers and fins.
Perhaps Johnathan's surprise is better founded than your critique.
Oh Jonathan, I see you have responded before i could finish.
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Pics from Classic Car Weekly Feb 16 2000.
I assume this is the same car shown in Tony Marshalls book.
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as far as i know a member of this forum still owns one of these , i wonder if he will fess up ;)
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Jonathan, they all have aluminium bodies! Fronts anyway, the sides are usually steel as I recall.
True, the front being more akin to pre S7 Fuldas, all of which have Ali bodies, then that of a standard Nobel,. Great to see some additional pics from those originally posted on the Yahoo group some years back, Joel. As far as I know there are 3 in existence though Mike Ayriss may know otherwise. Interesting also, too see your car is painted the same as the dash, I'd be interested in the formula if you're going to mix an identical colour, having only a tiny patch of original metallic paint to go by on my own dash, Hammerite is close though I feel a little dark!
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Hi Joel
This is incredibly exciting! It's finally provoked me to sign up to the Forum! When you say:
...The only history i know on it is that he purchased it before 1970, from his boss, the owner of the company...
do you mean the owner of the company as in the company that made the Nobels? Would that be Mr York Nobel himself? Or perhaps I have misunderstood. Do you know how the vehicle ended up in America?
I recall someone telling me years ago that York Nobel went to live in the US after his adventures with small cars so it might fit...
Cheers
Joe
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Jonathan, they all have aluminium bodies! Fronts anyway, the sides are usually steel as I recall.
True, the front being more akin to pre S7 Fuldas, all of which have Ali bodies, then that of a standard Nobel,. Great to see some additional pics from those originally posted on the Yahoo group some years back, Joel. As far as I know there are 3 in existence though Mike Ayriss may know otherwise. Interesting also, too see your car is painted the same as the dash, I'd be interested in the formula if you're going to mix an identical colour, having only a tiny patch of original metallic paint to go by on my own dash, Hammerite is close though I feel a little dark!
Hey Mike,
I thought the original paint WAS hammerite, having the same standard dark hammerite bluye colour, and hammerite effect finish? It's definitally what I will use, since we have some spare hammerite blue paint!
I had a few remains of original paint, and it did look the same as hammerite blue.
It's weird that the pickups had different dashboard aswell!
JP
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Sorry for the confusion, no it was not at the nobel plant, it was in the USA. once again sorry for the confusion.
Joel
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It's weird that the pickups had different dashboard aswell!
... again more akin to a pre S7 Fulda, anyway blue Hammerite was as close to the original colour Mike ayriss could offer, but the remnants of paint on the back of both my dashboards are shade lighter, at some point I'll have them matched but if this Vicky was in mid restoration and Joel had the formular then it's another job off my list, though all irrelivent as I'm in the middle of a building site and the cars are in storage! :D
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It's weird that the pickups had different dashboard aswell!
... again more akin to a pre S7 Fulda, anyway blue Hammerite was as close to the original colour Mike ayriss could offer, but the remnants of paint on the back of both my dashboards are shade lighter, at some point I'll have them matched but if this Vicky was in mid restoration and Joel had the formular then it's another job off my list, though all irrelivent as I'm in the middle of a building site and the cars are in storage! :D
Both your dashboards? Lucky you, I've had a few people ask me for ddashboards!
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My spare has a corner missing! I had the same discussion with your dad at one point. I was initially collecting for two cars, but I've since sold most of my surplus on.
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Thanks for all the great information, Once i start the project, i will be sure to give updates.
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So i was wondering after looking at the articles on the nobel, it appeares that there are two rear wheels instead of one, like mine. Are the other two from the UK a 4 wheel or 3 wheel version?
thanks
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Of the two Vicky's/Sportys I know of in the UK, both are single rear wheeled, Mike Ayriss may know otherwise. There are 4 wheeled Nobels in the UK but they're the standard Model.
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Found this pic on my PC :)
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great, thanks
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Does anyone have any pictures of one with a single rear wheel?
Also what is something like this valued at?
thanks joel
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Does anyone have any pictures of one with a single rear wheel?
Also what is something like this valued at?
thanks joel
No pics, sorry.
Value? I don;t think there worth much at all.
Check how much this one ended for. Didnt sell, but that is the price people wanted to pay.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/FULDA-MOBIL-/120957490609?pt=Automobile&hash=item1c29a0d5b1#ht_500wt_948
One in your condition would be less. It is ibvously more interesting being a pickup, but not sure if worth more, since its less practical.
Seeing whaty I think its worth, it's probably best to hang on to it anyway.
JP
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Thanks for the reply. It will be a blast getting it up and running again. Thanks to all for the great information, and i will give updates as soon as i start.
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Hi Joel
You have got a rare machine - the two I've seen in the UK both have double rear wheels not single like your car - When I was editor of RUM car news I did an article on the Nobel Vicky it was No 50 Autumn 1996 past copies are availble from Jean Hammond and she will take a photocopy of her Mag - There is a photograph of a Nobel Vicky on the cover and qeustions and answers in the Mag - Including a letter from York Noble dated 16 April 1960 where he is exibiting the Nobels at the New York show he took across two Cars a Saloon and a Pick up ( yours could be the pick up !!! ) . They were difficult to sell in the UK and only a handfull survive - I am told that the remainder were sold to a holiday camp in South Africa. - I sent all the photographs of the Nobel including a lineup of the Nobel Vicky to Mike Alriss have you talked to him yet about your car. Value wise you have a rare car and I would put a value of £15,000 + on it if it was mine - Hope that helps you.
Mike
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Can anyone help me with this? I know it is a nobel, and i think it is a 1959. My dad has had it for years, and i recently inherited it. I was in contact with the nobel registry, and i was told it was possibly for an auto show.
thanks in advance,
Joel
hello if you sale i buy..hildebrando1@live.ca
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Thanks for the great information. I am in contact with him, and i am, trying to get the serial number and engone number to him. As far as its sale, i do not want to sell it. I have found a couple of pictures of the Nobel in front of my fathers service station. They are from newspaper clipings and are not the best quility. I am trying to track down the original picture.
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great stuff :) wonder what happened to the anti-pollution gasoline ;)
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Nice pictures! Could you please scan them if you have a scanner?
Thanks, Jonathan
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I found these on the internet.
Looks like they come from a book called A-Z of Popular Scooters & Microcars - Michael Dan ISBN 978-1-84584-088-4
Photos from books should not be scanned and distributed and this is something I would never do. They are readily available on the internet so I think it is OK to pass them on?
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I found these on the internet.
Looks like they come from a book called A-Z of Popular Scooters & Microcars - Michael Dan ISBN 978-1-84584-088-4
Photos from books should not be scanned and distributed and this is something I would never do. They are readily available on the internet so I think it is OK to pass them on?
If it's not OK just say I passed them to you ;)
Nice condition, just needs some T cut and coloured turtlewax!
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Hi Jonathan,
on your website you have you number plate pictured, i am trying to have my brother find the serial number on the nobel so i can get it to Mike. Can you take a picture of it location of yours, or a specific location on where it is located?
thanks Joel
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Hi Jonathan,
on your website you have you number plate pictured, i am trying to have my brother find the serial number on the nobel so i can get it to Mike. Can you take a picture of it location of yours, or a specific location on where it is located?
thanks Joel
Hey Joel,
I'm not sure about on the pickup, but the chassis plate is (on normal model) on the right of the front seat, between the base of the seat and the door, screweed onto the wooden floor. See here http://www.nobel200.com/1/post/2011/11/trip-to-england.html (at bottom of post)
There is also the chassis number on the chassis, its not really a chassis plate, just a metal plate with a number, see picture. I have sanded my one, so the numbers are black and readable, but yours could be black.
I have also attached a picture of my chassis plate, that was found on the right of my seat.
JP
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The chasis number is 200829. I am still working on the serial number
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I'm guessing you bought a new badge from Mike Ayriss? Looks extremely good if original!
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judging by the still to removed rust it looks a very nice original . unless mike supplies them complete with rust for authenticity ;D
i meanwhile am spending the morning trying to bring back the chrome surround on the tail lights for the same car ;)
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That is the original, it has been inside a garage since 1972 or 1973.
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hi lightweight dickie
how did the chrome process go?
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not brilliant frankly but they are as good as possible with the 50 year old chrome . certainly for a concourse they would need a rechrome . i will put them on ebay and see what others think eh ? ;)
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I recently discovered using VERY fine wire wool on chrome leaves a PERFECT finish, if the chrome under the rust is good. I tried on my moped's petrol tank, and even rubbing very hard at same area it doesnt leave a single tiny scratch behind!
JP
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hmmmm how fine is VERY fine ?
they do look better in the dark though ;)
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They would pass the test for me.
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After my family did a lot of digging through my fathers paperwork, they were able to find the title, bill of sale, and a letter written to the Sachs company requisting a maintnance chart for the motor. All the documents are dated, so this should give me an idea when my father purchased it. My brother is in the process of scanning them to me, as soon as i get them i will post it up.
joel
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After my family did a lot of digging through my fathers paperwork, they were able to find the title, bill of sale, and a letter written to the Sachs company requisting a maintnance chart for the motor. All the documents are dated, so this should give me an idea when my father purchased it. My brother is in the process of scanning them to me, as soon as i get them i will post it up.
joel
Thanks, that would be very interesting!
Richard, the wool was (I think) #0000. I use it dry, but a few people on the net say that using chroe polish, or glass cleaner to lubricate it wil make it faster.