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General Category => RUMCar Mart => Topic started by: Bob Purton on August 22, 2012, 11:34:44 PM
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I'm still in need of a down pipe to fit a 9E, maybe from a Bond minicar/scootacar or a villiers powered motorcycle like a Francis Barnet, 1 3/4" diameter. Can anyone help please?
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I'm still in need of a down pipe to fit a 9E, maybe from a Bond minicar/scootacar or a villiers powered motorcycle like a Francis Barnet, 1 3/4" diameter. Can anyone help please?
What d you mean by downpipe? I have a front piece that goes onto the cylinder. I think I will use it on the mower though, but I may see if there is another way for me to make an exhaust, if so I'll let you know. I can lend it if you want a sample to make new maybe?
JP
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Well, there are only two parts, the pipe and the silencer, its the pipe I'm in need of. There is small bore and large bore, the latter would be preferable but either would do. Someone must have one knocking around from a Bond, scootacar,villiers powered motorbike etc. any help much appreciated.
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Hello Bob,
In the past the Bond Club had them for sale. I'm not a member now, but maybe they still stock them. The spares bloke is Mike Hele in Waterlooville. Nick.
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Thanks Nick. I used to be a member as well, but no more. I have contacted a member to inquire for me but no news yet.
Does anyone have a contact email or number for Mike Hele?
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Bob, All I remember for Mick Hele is he lives on the edge of a small village called Catherington, near Waterlooville, Hants. You might be able to find him with Directory Enquiries. Nick.
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Thanks Nick. I used to be a member as well, but no more. I have contacted a member to inquire for me but no news yet.
Does anyone have a contact email or number for Mike Hele?
Mike Hele 233 Catherington Lane, Waterlooville, Hampshire, PO8 0TB Tel:02392 591212 e-mail: bondminicarbits@aol.com From Bond Info magazine. Jean
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Great! Many thanks Jean.
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bob i asked mike hele in person last week for you - when we were both on the bond rally on isle of wight . please dont ask him as well as i said it was for mine . he only wants to sell , understandably , to bond owners
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I have a pair of new 4T downpipes that are spare but do not know if one of them would fit. Could send measurements if you are interested.
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I'm interested but I dont know if measurements would help, I'm thinking of the angle with which the pipe joints the barrel and if it would be the same on both engines. What diameter are they to start with? Thanks, Bob
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The pipe has an outside diameter of 1 1/2".
With the pipe in its working position, the vertical dimension from the centreline of the pipe to the centre of the port is approx 11"
Looking in plan view, the offset from centreline to centreline is approx 3/4"
Hope this helps.
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Will look at my 2T pipes and my single engine to compare tonight bob
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Its the large bore type I am looking for which is 1 3/4" so I guess the 4T isnt the one for me. Thanks for going to the trouble of measuring it up though Malcolm.
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the 2T pipes measure 1 1/2" and the angle and fit is no use at all on the 9E . see pic. 1 the invacar engine comes with just a stub pipe to fit some plumbing i imagine but it measures 1 5/8" which i think is what you are looking for - awaiting a reply bob .
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I have sent you an email Richard.
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Ho Ho!! Just got a reply from Mike Hele of the Bond club parts scheme and in true BOC style in the nicest possible way got told to bog off!! Apparently shelling out money to join a previous scheme that went to the wall counted for nothing. ??? Still I think I have found a solution in the form of a Greeves Roadster down pipe.
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Ho Ho!! Just got a reply from Mike Hele of the Bond club parts scheme and in true BOC style in the nicest possible way got told to bog off!! Apparently shelling out money to join a previous scheme that went to the wall counted for nothing. ??? Still I think I have found a solution in the form of a Greeves Roadster down pipe.
EDIT: My dad was kicked out of the Bond club (by someone else) because he "exported" both of his bonds when we moved to France!
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I think Jonathan worded it a bit wrong. When we moved to France eleven years ago, I contacted Stan Cornock and told him my Bonds ( a B and a D ) will be coming with me and here's my new address for his records. He said I can't export the cars and I should sell them to someone in the UK. I refused, saying they're my cars and I wan't to keep them. He then ended my club membership. I wrote a letter to other Bond Club members stating what he had done and my membership was renewed. I've since let it lapse, as I don't like Stan's attitude. I love my Bond D two seater and will never part with it. I sold the B some years ago, as it's not as usable as the D and I don't believe in having any cars that I don't like driving. Nick.
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stans attitude stinks and i have told him nearly as much . never met a more bigotted ,racist awkward sod in my life . sure he has not served the club well at all over the years - but thats only my opinion ;) after saying that mike didnt supply you with parts bob as you are not a member of the spares scheme ! fair enough . the old schemes were complicated and hard to understand ,with different interests old/new etc. there was a period of time when members of the old were free to the new scheme but after years of lapse you would expect to rejoin . you were always on a loser bob - you would be in most clubs
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Lets just face it Richard, I'm a loser full stop!
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Don't be so negative Bob. You have done and I'm sure you are doing a great job in the micro world. It's amazing how many people you can say "up your pipe" to. "They don't help you, you don't help them" That's my motto. ;D (I wondered why I haven't got many friends!) :'(
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I WAS joking Richard! :D I dont belong to any car clubs at all now, only the moped club.
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I dont belong to any car clubs at all now, only the moped club.
That is the nub of it. The idea of a club is to pool help and get things done together to save money. Folk devote time and money for free. So new clubs form quite often on pretty socialist/co operative grounds. Over the clubs earlier lifetime that seems to slowly get forgotten as other people join and the drift to a more capitalist approach comes in. The turning point is normally when one of the willing originators makes a normal simple request to do something and the answer is 'Yes, we will agree but what is in it for us'. Exit the benevolent and goodbye fun club to be replaced by some sort of secret society or quasi small business. It seems to be a natural progression and I think I know more microcar people who are not in clubs than are now. I am now only in one club myself. The reason, those I know mainly do not need the clubs. However the clubs mainly need those people who left. But what is in it for them if you do not need the club? Goodness me its your question back again after a few years running the club! You tend to only plop on people only once.
I was no great Bond owner but I paid into the spares scheme as it was a good idea. I attempted to save cars I found. What happened to that money and the margin it generated. I think it resides in private accounts now. Mike Hele rather picked up the pieces. As for the cars rescued from scrap, some with numbers, many have never been seen again and not much information come forth on where they are when the question was asked. I get the blame for exporting every Bond I ever owned by half the Bond owners around. A great incentive for me to help Bonds now as my experience with the owners is mainly a bad one. However while I might now choose not to help the club I would still rescue a car. From that perspective then the best thing for the car is someone who will restore it. The Bond system here is hostile thus I am left with the rest of the world to place the car. That might mean export to someone who will restore rather than to some place up north for peanuts where it will be used as a spares resource and turned into a trailer with the number sold off or something. These people are arguing against themselves, are they not? Banning things or people means you loose any control or record of what they are doing. It is silly.
Dare I say many of those non members with cars are the real minimalists who's interest has, in fact, been highjacked?
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Before this spirals out of control I just want to make clear that I dont really have a serious beef with the BOC, I'm sure they serve there members well, they certainly put on enjoyable events, some friends have just returned from the Isle of Wight jaunt. I was only peeved that my parts scheme money had been taken and I got nothing in return, so what if the parts manager changed a few times and I had not bought any parts for a few years. Also to be clear, Mike Hele is a good chum and a real enthusiast who I'm sure would have helped me if he was in a position to. I'm still not going to join the club though just to buy an exhaust pipe! One of the things I like about Isetta ownership, plenty of spares sources outside of any club membership!
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it wasn't me bob ! it was rob :)
the isetta spares thing is surely quite different i suspect , i may be wrong , that most spares are newly remanufactured - aren't they ? the bond pipe you were after would be an original and in very short supply . if they made a batch of new ones they might have been overjoyed to sell some ex-club .
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Of course spirals are not what they used to be. A few years ago bla bla........ Rent a rant.
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it wasn't me bob ! it was rob :)
the isetta spares thing is surely quite different i suspect , i may be wrong , that most spares are newly remanufactured - aren't they ? the bond pipe you were after would be an original and in very short supply . if they made a batch of new ones they might have been overjoyed to sell some ex-club .
I dont think so Dickie. I remember a few years ago when Mike first took on the spares he took a stand at one of the rallies and on the stand was a row of newly made down pipes at £45 each as I recall.
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i stand corrected :(
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it wasn't me bob ! it was rob :)
Oh so it was! I should have recognised Robs unique humour, slightly saucy but just the right side of the line! :D
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I WAS joking Richard! :D I dont belong to any car clubs at all now, only the moped club.
Hehe arent mopeds for teenagers? I thought big bikes were for older people ;)
Talking about mopeds, I got my Peugeot working better than ever, thansk to my dad!
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Not where I come from Jonathan. You see, years before you were a twinkle in your fathers eye and Britain was a poor country recovering from WW2 working men of all ages had to commute to the factory by bicycle, as things got more prosperous they were able to afford mopeds, now these old men feel some nostalgia for there old mopeds and are enjoying riding them. I am sometimes the youngest person on our club rides, just a boy of 57! More recently people a little younger than me who rode sports mopeds in the 1970's are on there own nostalgia trip and are buying the bikes they had when teenagers like Yamaha fizzies and Girelli tiger cross's. You are too young to understand nostalgia but one day you will. I have to lament though that nostalgia isn't what it used to be!! Boom Boom!!
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Not where I come from Jonathan. You see, years before you were a twinkle in your fathers eye and Britain was a poor country recovering from WW2 working men of all ages had to commute to the factory by bicycle, as things got more prosperous they were able to afford mopeds, now these old men feel some nostalgia for there old mopeds and are enjoying riding them. I am sometimes the youngest person on our club rides, just a boy of 57! More recently people a little younger than me who rode sports mopeds in the 1970's are on there own nostalgia trip and are buying the bikes they had when teenagers like Yamaha fizzies and Girelli tiger cross's. You are too young to understand nostalgia but one day you will. I have to lament though that nostalgia isn't what it used to be!! Boom Boom!!
Hehe I know fully what you mean. I have the same with old video games. When I was even younger, I used to play the original Gameboy (1989), with all of the best games at the time. The problem is, that technology is advancing so quick, now you get games with lifelike graphics! I miss the old games, so now I have a mint original Gameboy in box that I bought for 0.50£, worth maybe 50£ !
Problem is, what will I be buying when I'm older, if I'm already using old stuff ;)
I don;t see why I would ever sell the Peugeot Moped, Schmitt or Nobel, because the Peugeot is probably worth just over 200£, nothing much, I prefer keeping it for that price, Nobels obviously my first car, and the Schmitt, well its my first schmitt!
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Hello Bob, Yes, sports mopeds from the 70's. I has an SS50 on the road on my 16th birthday, then a KTM I bought for 50p. I had to buy a new exhaust down pipe for £7 though. It was a bullet proof bike. I made many trip on it to Bournemouth to strip a dumpede I setta I found in a car park. ( I hope it was dumped ! ). I always wanted a Gerelli Record or Tiger Cross. My mate had a Puch Grand Prix that was the best bike around. Even had a rev counter ! Nick.
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PEDANTS CORNER
Anyone expecting to google the mopeds that bob and nick are talking about could always try GARELLI :) otherwise you wont find anything ;)
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PEDANTS CORNER
Anyone expecting to google the mopeds that bob and nick are talking about could always try GARELLI :) otherwise you wont find anything ;)
SWAT!!
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Hello Bob, Yes, sports mopeds from the 70's. I has an SS50 on the road on my 16th birthday, then a KTM I bought for 50p. I had to buy a new exhaust down pipe for £7 though. It was a bullet proof bike. I made many trip on it to Bournemouth to strip a dumpede I setta I found in a car park. ( I hope it was dumped ! ). I always wanted a Gerelli Record or Tiger Cross. My mate had a Puch Grand Prix that was the best bike around. Even had a rev counter ! Nick.
I was a year or two older than most of my pals back then and while they were riding there sports mopeds I had a Tiger cub, Ariel Arrow and a Kurkopp Diana, the Diana was by far the most reliable of the three!
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They are all here:-
http://www.icenicam.ukfsn.org/gallery/pfan.html
This page is Fantic (my friends Caballero at the top) the famous Fantic Chopper underneath was just too expensive for us at the time but so cool.
I made do with my Puch MS50D but I did have a Garelli Tiger Cross for about an hour. Would love to have one now.
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I want one of these.
The scooter would be nice to have as well. Note the propellor at the front that powers it.
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Dear Jim
Good for slicing through the traffic.
Chris Thomas
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I didn't see the propeller at first. Too busy looking at the hooters. ;D
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I didn't see the propeller at first. Too busy looking at the hooters. ;D
That would be the unusual three bladed French moped L'Abbe Trois, wouldn't it?