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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: filcool on October 09, 2012, 09:53:43 PM
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Hi everyone,im new to this site,ive just joined because ive just bought the AC invacar that was just on ebay tonight,it will be staying in scotland but going a bit further north near aberdeen,wont get it till the weekend to look at to see the problems,so will be back on here for some answers i hope,1 being the unable to select gears but have read in a few posts that the engine might be idling to high,ill have to wait and see.
ive also got a reliant robin and reliant ant so this is another 3 wheeler for the collection,i like a bit of good restoring so hopefully ill get it all up and running well.
Ill also need advice on the best way to get this back on the road,how to tax and register it legally,insurance and such things.
thanks for now phil
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am i the only one on the forum that doesn't know what a complete model 70 looks like ? good luck , nice to hear from someone new filcool - saw you in concert 15/20 years ago weird faces you can make - and noises come to that ;)
come too think of it wasn't phil cool on steve wright R2 today ?
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Welcome Phil
I am also lucky enough to have a Model 70.
And a few spares.
Good luck with your new addition.
Barry
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Aberdeen will not know what hit it. Unfortunately the IC guru, Stuart Cyphus is currently off line due to various issues. If the carriage has a valid V5 registration you have no real problem, it will just need to express the correct category of use. If not you need Stuart to prove its ID and date through his ex Government files. Looked like this had been done as the car had some number plates on it. Stuart is doing manuals now, hopefully.
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Hi all,thanks for posting some comments back,
Barry you say you've also got a model 70,have you got yours registered and on the road,does it need to be taxed under a tricycle like the reliant robin,do you have it insured through classic car insurance?
Thanks for now,phil
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Phil
Luckily my car was already registered as a Tricycle by the previous owner, Richard.
I had it added to my existing classic car insurance through Peter James Insurance. They had not insured one before but once they had seen one on the internet they gave me a good premium - sympathy I think. We had a good laugh.
I have three more rolling chassis with the bodies 'sawn off'. I have managed to get their registration numbers reinstated and now have V5c's as Invalid carriages. Stuart was a great help confirming the chassis numbers with the registrations. Next I will try to change them to Trikes. Technically you can't drive them as invalid carriages unless you are an invalid! As a Trike you have to pay a bit of Tax.
Swansea sent some forms for change of taxation class which need an MOT as the first stage. Not much chance of this on my rolling chassis and I couldn't possibly use my good car for the MOT with the appropriate number plate fitted...........................
I think it may be possible to just send a note to Swansea changing the taxation class and hope whoever deals with it just rubber stamps it.
Barry
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hi barry,
the car is coming with the v5 but it is still registered as an invalid carriage,i think ill have to contact swansea and see what i would have to do to get the taxation class changed to tricycle.my reliant robin is classed under tricycle and is about 74 pounds a year for tax,,so would probably be the same,might contact peter james for insurance if they now might know what a model 70 is.
Ill have to give the car a good check over first before an MOT,but i do have a friendly local guy who does class 3 tests so im sure he will keep me right on what might be needed to get it passed.
Ill maybe ask you some more questions once i get it.
thanks phil
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If you get an MOT you should be able to go down the Swansea suggested route.
They say. 'To make other changes (to the V5 like taxation class) you must first tax the vehicle and get a tax disc showing the new details.'
Once Swansea receive a note from you giving the serial number of the tax disc together with your V5c, they will issue a new V5c as a Tricycle.
To get the tax you will need an MOT
I can easily scan my letter from Swansea and email it to you.
With my three rolling chassis, I would like to change the taxation class without having an MOT. I will give Swansea a try on this one as I don't think Richard (previous owner) had an MOT when he managed it.
Barry
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if you could email that letter that would be a great help,
thanks phil
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You should have it now Phil.
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Thanks got them,will give them a good read tonight.
Phil :)
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If you get an MOT you should be able to go down the Swansea suggested route.
They say. 'To make other changes (to the V5 like taxation class) you must first tax the vehicle and get a tax disc showing the new details.'
Once Swansea receive a note from you giving the serial number of the tax disc together with your V5c, they will issue a new V5c as a Tricycle.
To get the tax you will need an MOT
I can easily scan my letter from Swansea and email it to you.
With my three rolling chassis, I would like to change the taxation class without having an MOT. I will give Swansea a try on this one as I don't think Richard (previous owner) had an MOT when he managed it.
Barry
This is much as I have done. Despite requesting tricycle status on reclaiming the number in due process all but one came back as Invalid Vehicle. It is interesting to note that technically you could register a Type 70 as a Quad type as it is just under the weight limit and under the power band. I am not sure that would really be a benefit other than perhaps dodging road charging like the London.
For MOT you are probably aware, no rolling roads. It damages the belt drive system.
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Got the model 70 home on sunday afternoon,spent fifteen minutes having a spin about the yard at work,then set about finding out why the gears couldnt be engaged without grinding,it was sold with this problem but i hoped it could be fixed,turned the idle down a little first but no joy,so took the top off the gearbox to have a look inside,all looked well visually,so decided to take the engine out to have a look at the clutch set up.disconnected all the hosees and cable that were attached and would get in the way off getting it down.
tonight with the help of my dad we got it jacked up in the air and on some stands,then unbolted the 4 bolts and pulled it free of the gearbox,a jack underneath the engine and a good bit of jiggling it came down and out,as it did a clutch pad fell out of the gearbox drum,it looks like 1 had delaminated from the metal backing plate and was binding things up inside the drum when things were spinning,so im hoping that was the case of the gear selection problem,a new set of clutch fingers will need to be fitted,tommorrow ill take the gearbox and belt drive system out to have a look over as there seems to be a few seal leaks.
some pics of the nights activitys
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar002.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar040.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar008.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar004.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar025.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar018.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar032.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar034.jpg)
thanks phil
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Very industrious. Richard had the same problem with his and did exactly the same thing as you. He had the clutch pads relined. I will try to find out where.
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I would like to know where he got them done,i dont know if ill need them done or not,because with the car there was a box of spares and right at the bottom there was 3 new in a bag cluth fingers,will have to see there ok though,not to rusty an well attached,and also the right fitment havent tried them against the old ones yet.
phil
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Sent details by email.
But here is an excerpt for all:-
I found a few places and decided to go with Industrial Brakes Ltd Sales (sales@industrialbrakes.co.uk). Dave replied to my email saying that his granddad had an Invacar. He charged me £30 to reline them and made a good job. The 3 shoes came back to me in less that a week and were like new.
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The engine is not the easiest to get out but doing it once you get to see how to do it the easiest. Otherwise access is pretty good. Pity about the defect but at least it was honest and in the advert. The spares in a bag suggest a game of pass the parcel. If it goes together and works at the value you are happy with a great buy as it looks like a good one.
I found out that a Skoda 5 speed transaxle will fit on the engine. Not entirely useful here but, hmmm......
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While the engine was out I was thinking of replacing some of the engine gaskets as there is quite a few weeping,does anybody know where to get a gasket set for the steyr puch engine?,also any other parts for the engine,not that I hope to need them.
It has the weber 32 ICS fitted,can you get a gasket set for it,phoned webcon today,said they would look into it,so not sure if they can.
Thanks phil
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Hi Filcool, welcome to the forum and well done on your purchase, i've sent you an e-mail regards the Invacar.
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A bit more work on the model 70 tonight,suspension all taken out and checked over,want to get everything out of the way so i can paint and protect all the chassis and tidy things up,the rear bumper needs a bit of glassfibre reinforcement work as well,few cracks and holes to repair.
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar003.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar011.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar015.jpg)
phil
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hi all
Been busy refurbishing the suspension arms just now,all stripped and derusted,anti rust treatment and a few coats of black metal paint,all new brake components,pads,cylinders,fixing pins,pipes and hoses.
Also cleaned and repacked fresh grease into the bearings,replaced the grease seals as well,because old ones were really worn out.
phil
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/acinvacar003.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/acinvacar002.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar001.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar003-1.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar002-1.jpg)
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Hello there, and great to see you making good progress. Is this 70 registered with RUM? If not perhaps it should be, and it is FREE!
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Hello there, and great to see you making good progress. Is this 70 registered with RUM? If not perhaps it should be, and it is FREE!
Small correction Marcus, it costs £1.50 to register a car. The register this vehicle belongs on is the Invalid carriage register run by our good friend Herr Cyphus..
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Oops, still worth doing!
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Bob. Looks like you are becoming a car racists :D
You know that you secretly want an IC in your front garden.
Three wheels, 500cc engine, registered as trikes, not many left - microcar? Unusual microcar? More unusual than an Isetta or a Messerschmitt?
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Agreed it belongs on both
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Bob. Looks like you are becoming a car racists :D
You know that you secretly want an IC in your front garden.
Three wheels, 500cc engine, registered as trikes, not many left - microcar? Unusual microcar? More unusual than an Isetta or a Messerschmitt?
Yep, Bubblecars are common as muck, these days. Who ever thought so many would survive their period of being the butt of all jokes and left to vandals, dreadful modifications and unwanted at old vehicle events. How things change! NEC, starring roll! One day it might be the IC's turn. It does have the benefit of huge social history attached to it in context with the development of the type over the century. Indeed till effectively being successful enough in bringing the disabled together enough to get itself banned! I do not expect folk to like them just because. However they demand respect for what they are and represent. Its great that a few people are preventing what is left from being smashed up in the main.
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Bob. Looks like you are becoming a car racists :D
You know that you secretly want an IC in your front garden.
Three wheels, 500cc engine, registered as trikes, not many left - microcar? Unusual microcar? More unusual than an Isetta or a Messerschmitt?
Love that caption on the 70. Photoshopped I presume, but funny.
I tend to share Bob's lack of interest in ICs, but I they they DO have a place and a kinship with microcars, and are now rare and unusual to qualify for RUM registering even if they do not appeal greatly to me.
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Perhaps bob would feel more at home in at Register of USUAL Microcars , but obviously would have to abreviated. Ah a problem there then :P
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I also think its great that folk who like them are preserving them from extinction. My point was, as there is already a specific register for them why put then on a register for unusual microcars? Do we have other surgical appliance on the register? :D My deep seated psychiatric problem like most goes back to childhood when my father owned a Reliant which was toilet blue, all the kids at school refered to it as an invalid carriage, its damaged me for life! ;D
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Well there is the attempt by part of the Macclesfield Iron Lung Club to log all remaining Pre MOT false legs with the massed ranks performing Tiller Girl manovers attached to a Gardner powered cam on a an old roundabout mech to raise much needed funds. Get a real kick out of that one.
Rather appropriately the registrar of the ICR covering disabled vehicles is, in itself, disabled.
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ic's are definetly microcars hard to argue otherwise .if you can't have cars that have their own register, in RUM, then out go all the isettas , treinkels, bonds ,schmitts, scootacars,friskys,petites etc etc on the same basis . fine by me ;)
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hi all,
Done a bit more work on the invacar,put back on the refurbished suspension arms,springs,shocks,brake pipes,
Have now rolled it over onto an old mattress to get better access to the bottom of it,going to clean off all the old paint and underseal,then repaint and underseal with some fresh stuff to try and preserve it for a bit longer.Hand brake mechanism needs looking at as its all seized up and not working at all,
will also take off the font suspension and steering frame to replace brake parts,pipes,bearings etc
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar002-2.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar004-2.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar006-1.jpg)
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk307/filcool/invacar009-1.jpg)
Thanks for now
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I went out for a drive in my one today.
I didn't try getting into bed with it afterwards though.
I have good second hand and brand new old stock hand brake mechanisms.
Also NOS foot operated hand brake (USA / Mercedes style) if you fancy it,or only have one arm (and two legs)..................with fitting instructions - tempting?
I will gradually add some parts on Ebay for the three people in the world who watch Invacars on there......................
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/invacar70/m.html?item=130831683128&ssPageName=STRK%3AMESELX%3AIT&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
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hi,ive been keeping an eye on your spare parts on ebay,i got the seals through the post as well so thanks for that.
Is the hand brake mechanism you have just the pivot part or do you have the cables as well?
Is the foot operated hand brake a totally different set up from the original?,do you have a photo of the foot brake kit?
thanks phil
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Hope the door seals were OK
It's too cold to venture into the garage tonight but I will have a look and take some photos tomorrow.
Other proper microcar owners may also have an interest in the hand and the foot operated parking brakes.
I recall that the hand operated parking brake is brand new with cable. I't the whole unit with lovely glistening ratchets and springs.
There is a good second-hand one there also.
The foot operated parking brake is an original option that can be fitted instead of the normal hand brake.
Two peddles - one to put it on and one to release it.
Can be fitted left or right side. Full fitting instructions in its original box.
Barry
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thanks that would be great if you could put up some photos of the 2 different set ups,ill check in tommorrow
thanks for now phil
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The new hand-brakes are fitted with a cable.
There are a few age related marks but otherwise as-new.
Some are still in their original plastic bag packaging so I am not sure what they are like inside but probably better than the photos.
Could be useful for others building a microcar or finding it hard to find an original part for an obscure car. the fitting looks fairly easy to adapt to most cars - and its new.
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The foot operated parking brakes are in sealed (stapled) unopened boxes.
All the fitting instructions and additional plates and brackets are there but no cable (on the open box that I have opened).
I would think that this unit could easily be fitted to other microcars.
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hi barry,you can maybe send me an email to tell me how much you want for the invacar hand operated lever and cable set up,i had a look at the foot operated system which looks ok,but i dont know where i would get cabling to get it all set up correctly.
The hand operated would keep it more original looking anyway,
thanks for the photos
phil