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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Jean on March 18, 2013, 11:12:41 AM
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Yes. Alastair and I are often asked this. Why bother to register my car? Why bother to tell anyone when it has passed into other hands, sold overseas or been scrapped? What's in it for me?
I know many folk think we are just being nosey or that it is an intrusion to know who owns what where. Just think about the network of enthusiasts we have helped to build up since 1980, the number of cars that have been saved, the number of friendships forged. The amount of history and information that has been amassed.
All we ask is Register your car for a very small fee and you have free access to all our archives and we will introduce you to owners of like cars and leave the rest to you. We only divulge names and addresses with the owners permission, so you can be as secretive as you wis,h keeping track of the rare cars is the important thing.
Please let us have your opinions. Jean
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hmmm, I just asked Alastair this question but never got an answer.
From a non-UK perspective, what is the benefit? I'm serious.
I think the Register serves a valuable purpose, particularly for UK residents, but I have been unable to convince anyone in the States that it is worth their time or bother.
Now that a large number of very unusual microcars are set loose from Madison GA, it would seem like a good time to get some of them on the Register.
I cannot come up with a simple one-sentence reason why they should.
They want to know in advance what to expect in return for providing their information. Is the new owner of the Fuji Cabin or Kroboth going to find useful information after registering?
I don't say this because I think the Register is a bad thing or outdated.
This is the feedback I get when trying to get people to put their cars on the Register. (I should note that I have not put either my PTV or my Goggo Transporter on the Register, so I am a prime example. I intend to but never get around to it.)
If I am not the only one asking this question, then I think this is something that really needs to be addressed.
Enthusiasts are able to find like-minded individuals around the world these days without resorting to lists and printed matter.
I think one thing that would make it easier is to allow web-registration and payment.
I have the old ISETTA REGISTER archived and made public on a web page (not really up to date though, and with no personal info posted) and there is a simple web-form that is filled out and submitted.
There is no payment involved, I think if there was, I would get a lot fewer submissions. Of course I have not tried it, but I wanted to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible.
I would make a web-form for additions to RUM but the current form involves sending a photo, sending an envelope, payment etc. I need to know more about how to adapt this to make it web-accessible and simple for people. I've asked about this already and received no response.
I would come up with a sample form and say "how about this?" but if there is no interest to begin with, why should I bother?
I have also offered my opinions about the future of the website and forum in the past as well and as far as I know it went nowhere.
I used to offer up suggestions for the continued improvement and success of the old Microcar & Minicar Club in the USA. I was willing to do any of the work if no one else would, but my pro-active suggestions were all summarily dismissed as "things are fine, why change them?"
Until things were not fine.
Then the board members would tear their hair out and wonder how they let things get to this point.
Then someone else would implement one of my suggestions and "save the day" Of course I never got credit for suggesting it in the first place.
I was viewed as a troublemaker for bringing up potential problems or even suggesting that there was one.
They were all REACTIVE. They only acted when there was a crisis.
I would like to see more people outside the UK put their cars on RUM.
I'm stumped.
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One conundrum I personally face is that I know some of the history of the previous ownership of my PTV 250
From Spain to me there are actually a FEW owners in between.
I am quite certain that none of them ever put the car on the RUM.
Can I fill in the gaps and make note of those owners in the Register? I think it would be useful for the future as I will not own the car forever.
However- is it my place to supply information on previous owners to "fill in the gaps"?
If it is my place to do so, what prevents me or others from adding false information that messes up the provenance of the vehicle?
Or should I just keep that information private and pass it along with the vehicle when it changes hands? ???
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...I have been unable to convince anyone in the States that it is worth their time or bother.
Jim, there are a few of us....
The short answer is continuity. It would be nice to know the history a car; this often isn't possible, but at least pay it forward. I only recently discovered that the KV I bought as a parts car from the Bubble Car Museum's auction back in 2008 was, in fact, the very same car driven by Thomas de Sousa in 1991 when he was seven years old and that he has posted a couple of videos of the experience on his microcar site:
http://thodes.over-blog.com/article-kvs-initiation-au-mirocar-en-1991-114719251.html (http://thodes.over-blog.com/article-kvs-initiation-au-mirocar-en-1991-114719251.html)
http://thodes.over-blog.com/article-ma-premiere-lecon-de-conduite-j-avais-7-ans-107118913.html (http://thodes.over-blog.com/article-ma-premiere-lecon-de-conduite-j-avais-7-ans-107118913.html)
That sort of knowledge delights me to no end, but it is entirely hit-or-miss without a registry.
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This isn't going to be what Jean or Alistair want to here but the actual register is of little importance to me, I dont recall personally ever gaining any benefit from it although I'm sure others have, the archive however is of great value and i very much appreciate the hard work of Jean and the others who have helped to amass it. Rumcars to me is a great little community of enthusiasts and an excellent magazine even though due to my precarious work situating right now temporarily prevents me from subscribing. If people dont want to register there cars there is little anyone can do about it and is not worth worrying about. Some, like myself just enjoy the hands on side of the hobby, others like Stuart love the paperwork, I'm repelled by that side of it. We are all different I guess. I would love to see the website refreshed though. The mistake made there was leaving it to a teenager!
I agree with JIm that if people could just register there cars on line with no fee or postage involve a lot more would do it. I'm a computer dunce so dont look at me for help on either of the two a fore mentioned topics.
What does everyone else think?
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The short answer is continuity. It would be nice to know the history a car; this often isn't possible, but at least pay it forward.
That is basically it, in a nutshell. I think.
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hmmm, I just asked Alastair this question but never got an answer.
From a non-UK perspective, what is the benefit? I'm serious.
I think the Register serves a valuable purpose, particularly for UK residents, but I have been unable to convince anyone in the States that it is worth their time or bother.
Now that a large number of very unusual microcars are set loose from Madison GA, it would seem like a good time to get some of them on the Register.
I cannot come up with a simple one-sentence reason why they should.
They want to know in advance what to expect in return for providing their information. Is the new owner of the Fuji Cabin or Kroboth going to find useful information after registering?
I don't say this because I think the Register is a bad thing or outdated.
This is the feedback I get when trying to get people to put their cars on the Register. (I should note that I have not put either my PTV or my Goggo Transporter on the Register, so I am a prime example. I intend to but never get around to it.)
If I am not the only one asking this question, then I think this is something that really needs to be addressed.
Enthusiasts are able to find like-minded individuals around the world these days without resorting to lists and printed matter.
I think one thing that would make it easier is to allow web-registration and payment.
I have the old ISETTA REGISTER archived and made public on a web page (not really up to date though, and with no personal info posted) and there is a simple web-form that is filled out and submitted.
There is no payment involved, I think if there was, I would get a lot fewer submissions. Of course I have not tried it, but I wanted to keep the barrier to entry as low as possible.
I would make a web-form for additions to RUM but the current form involves sending a photo, sending an envelope, payment etc. I need to know more about how to adapt this to make it web-accessible and simple for people. I've asked about this already and received no response.
I would come up with a sample form and say "how about this?" but if there is no interest to begin with, why should I bother?
I have also offered my opinions about the future of the website and forum in the past as well and as far as I know it went nowhere.
I used to offer up suggestions for the continued improvement and success of the old Microcar & Minicar Club in the USA. I was willing to do any of the work if no one else would, but my pro-active suggestions were all summarily dismissed as "things are fine, why change them?"
Until things were not fine.
Then the board members would tear their hair out and wonder how they let things get to this point.
Then someone else would implement one of my suggestions and "save the day" Of course I never got credit for suggesting it in the first place.
I was viewed as a troublemaker for bringing up potential problems or even suggesting that there was one.
They were all REACTIVE. They only acted when there was a crisis.
I would like to see more people outside the UK put their cars on RUM.
I'm stumped.
Did I just write that in my sleep? I know just how you feel! Save I have all but given up the attempt to do anything with microcars and cannot see a organizational vehicle that is prepared to actually take responsibility to make a difference. That is not to say all is bad or that certain people and organizations do not create great things. Its the lack of a co ordinated vision and to grasp what could be.
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To the thread question itself.
I am having discussions at this moment about registers and important files/tooling related to several types of car. Now without making any kind of specific case out of an situation clearly Peels are the obvious micro example of what can happen if the original cars are unprotected and the information relating to them can be traded to find the 'missing' cars. I have owned an original Trident that was cloned on the assumption it no longer existed as everyone was pretty certain where it actually was, scrapped. Wrong car! Fortunately my buyer was convinced having seen several other alleged 'real' cars, one at auction - the fav place to wash the dodgy. He was convinced that mine was the real one and the others were not! He bought my car, since put next to post production examples it is actually easy to tell a wrong one in nearly all cases. The tricky ones are when a real car has been split two or three ways. I offered to get the car listed and attempt to straighten things out but he preferred not, since his entire car collection is a secret.
So there you have one car that trips up on much of what are, are not and could be the problems of registers.
Firstly the information can be used to manipulate the records of certain cars or to create new or extra ones.
Secondly the information can be used to disbar genuine cars, maliciously
Thirdly the records can be used to obtain rare cars from source. Even a list of likely addresses to which a theft can be attempted.
Fourthly, and perversly, a well run register immediately combats the above, as it has the relevant information to identify real cars and track them. That includes stolen cars when they turn up later, for what good that might do. Even that Peel will reappear at some stage, when it changes owner.
Put another way, a secret is only a secret of no one knows about it. For as long as I have had cars I have had some of them remotely stored. I refuse to leave that chance of the info, as to what be where, to a third party. It has worked as I have only had one car stolen when under my control as opposed to quite a few in the relatively short time of the process of removing vehicles bought from various clearance sites not totally under my control. Once I have things more under my control, with cars stored at home therefore, I will be far less concerned about sharing information.
Fifthly, there will always be reasons why people will not want to have their cars listed. Despite the frustration this has to be respected as like my secret buyer he has very good reasons why that have little to do with cars specifically.
Sadly this suggests only edited highlights of a register can thus be placed in the public domain.
It suggests that the team running the register need to be the right sort of people, honest and trustworthy. Problem is how can you ensure that to be the case over the longer count of years. Once the information is given it cannot be taken back. Certainly it does tend to rely on a benevolent Godparent to oversee and sometimes to finance the operation. What happens when the Godparent can no longer be interested?
One way, in Britain, is for the information and valuable assets to be made into a Trust. That is a self managing and financing entity who picks its own management as trustees. If it obtains gifts it can benefit from gift aid and manage its assets to cover its costs. The closed management allows it the ability of some continuity of the people running it to keep the trust assets safe, used, and fairly administered. The Trojan Trust is such an entity.
This is not an answer but just observation with my bias on registering my vehicles.
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Hmmm moot point this. Jean asked the question and asked for input. Firstly jim asks from a non uk viewpoint - can't see why any difference . Secondly the register gets mixed up with the magazine . Surely the register could run at almost no cost - if it was would more cars be on it ? Those that pay subs actually pay ( quite a lot ) for a quarterly magazine - has this been overtaken by the internet and forums - edwin could never have imagined its impact.lastly on really rare cars I imagine that the owners and the net hold more info than the rum archive . Well you asked
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As you all know I started the Frisky Register over 30 years ago and it has taken all that time to research and sort out the jumble of information that had gone before both in books and on the net.
Its been a big (but enjoyable) job and yes, I do have a vested interest but it has developed into a resource for Frisky owners (jokes on the back of a £10 note to.....) and the self help amongst them has proved invaluable.
Recently Mark in the USA has been able to produce items that have long since been totally unavailable, a real bonus to all FriskySport owners that would not have ever happened without the central point of contact, and its international, with owners in the UK, France, Germany, Australia and the USA becoming involved.
Looking after one marquee is a lot of work and requires team work within that marquee. Operating a register of all makes of micro must be a gargantuan task!!
I always believed the Register of Unusual Micro cars was there to mainly cater for those that do not have their own specialist Registers/ Clubs to back them up and this would save duplication of effort and lighten the load and responsibility on Jeans team.
One day we will all need some obscure piece of information and then the Registers/Clubs come into their own, so its in all your interests to give them your support now.
Regards
John
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk
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john looking after one marque is enough for most . looking after a marquee quite another are you "canvassing" our opinions :)
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Bob said " I would love to see the website refreshed though. The mistake made there was leaving it to a teenager "
Is it Jonathan that is responsible for updating the site ? I thought Jim was the only one who could do that. Please let me know if I'm wrong and I'll stop Jonathan's pocket money until he does it. Nick.
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Bob said " I would love to see the website refreshed though. The mistake made there was leaving it to a teenager "
Is it Jonathan that is responsible for updating the site ? I thought Jim was the only one who could do that. Please let me know if I'm wrong and I'll stop Jonathan's pocket money until he does it. Nick.
It was a long time back now Nick, but as I recall that was the arrangement, Jonathan volunteered to redesign it although Jim would have to implement it.
It was also a long time ago when I was a teenager and I do remember it being a time many distractions, exams, mopeds, Girls, well I think it was in that order anyway! Things have changed a lot since then, its probably now girls, mopeds, exams! :D
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No, it's mopeds, mopeds, mopeds. Nick.
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sorry Richard, this was not done with in tent
John
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No need to get in a flap over it john.we are not poles apart really ;)
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I will give you a little tepee, always do a spell check before posting. :D
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Back on track
I am still keeping a record of photos of microcars in a logical order.
This register is available to view via a link:-
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ao7dnotn45wfm9o/eDRKSQP4FD
It can be added-to or edited if a forum member cares to join the FTP site 'Drop Box' (just on-line storage). Just ask me.
Many people were very skeptical about this and there was not much interest so I am mainly keeping it for my own reference.
It came about originally because I was trying to create a place on-line where photos of the Rumcars registered cars could be stored.
A file for each car. Not necessarily any info on who owns them or where they are, mainly for historic and recent photos. A reference to each registered car.
It seems that some people are scared stiff of putting any programs on their computers.
Others are preoccupied with cars being cloned, number plates being copied, cars stolen or any other sort of devious dealings.
Personally I believe one of the main benefits of the register would be to accumulate photographic records of each car photos that are available to view rather than tucked away in a file somewhere.
I agree with others that these days we don't have time to fill-in forms and post money and photos to Alastair.
Everything should be done on-line and should ideally be free if we are to persuade people to register their cars.
Barry
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Hi Barry
I have 75 Frisky cars on the register and hold knowledge on them accumulated over 30 years. Its a big task requiring an individual file for each car. Whilst I do use the computer extensively, the "real" files I still keep manually.
The biggest problem from the start was how to identify reliably each car, early on I discovered that the registration number was not much use and engine numbers can change from time to time. Chassis numbers can also be unreliable. In the end I plumped for creating a unique register reference number for each individual car which cross referenced each of the above. This system has stood me in good stead over the years.
Collecting photos is interesting but unless reliably grouped together by individual car you will create something along the lines of Google Images but without the built in cross referencing.( It is not unusual to have 200 photos on the Register of just one individual car!)
With just one marque (Ok Richard!) I have over 8000 files covering car photos, technical & reference photos, publicity and historic data. (Excluding the Frisky web site)
I wish you luck Barry.
Have you ever considered offering your undoubted skills and enthusiasm to Jeans team to help build and refine their system.
Regards
John
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I agree with others that these days we don't have time to fill-in forms and post money and photos to Jean.
If any of you do change your mind and Register your car please don't send anything to me, Alastair Lauchland took over the responsibility for the Registration of Cars several years ago, in case you had not noticed.
Everyone seems very reluctant to pay out any money these days (even £1.50) or spend a little time filling in very simple, straight forward information about the cars. They are reluctant to admit to owning anything or even admitting to be known as an enthusiast of microcars it would seem by hiding behind non de plumes!
It is a good job there are still a few folk like Alastair and Chris who are willing to pick up the RUMCAR baton and keep it going. They give their time freely and willingly because they think our hobby is worth it. By all means let us use the tools available to us to day to obtain the information we need, it would be good if the registrations can be handled via the internet. but don't forget the purpose of the registration card and the windscreen sticker that are sent out to acknowledge the vehicles association with RUMCARS have to be paid for. If we want too have a better and more useful web site that too will probably will cost money because there are no volunteers help us with its creation. Soon to we shall have to pay someone to keep our accounts to because these are essential but no one will volunteer to help. It rather looks as though as long as people like Alastair, Chris and Mike Shepherd are prepared to give their time free gratis and for nothing that is fine everyone else can just enjoy the results of their labours. I only hope Chris never feels its not worthy bothering any more I am sure RUMCAR NEWS would be sorely missed.
I am sorry for this rant but there was a time if you had a hobby you enjoyed you used to be prepared to put something back into it,not expect the few willing souls to do all the work because you HAVEN'T GOT TIME!!!!!!!!!!
Jean
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Hi Barry
I have 75 Frisky cars on the register and hold knowledge on them accumulated over 30 years. Its a big task requiring an individual file for each car. Whilst I do use the computer extensively, the "real" files I still keep manually.
The biggest problem from the start was how to identify reliably each car, early on I discovered that the registration number was not much use and engine numbers can change from time to time. Chassis numbers can also be unreliable. In the end I plumped for creating a unique register reference number for each individual car which cross referenced each of the above. This system has stood me in good stead over the years.
Collecting photos is interesting but unless reliably grouped together by individual car you will create something along the lines of Google Images but without the built in cross referencing.( It is not unusual to have 200 photos on the Register of just one individual car!)
With just one marque (Ok Richard!) I have over 8000 files covering car photos, technical & reference photos, publicity and historic data. (Excluding the Frisky web site)
I wish you luck Barry.
Have you ever considered offering your undoubted skills and enthusiasm to Jeans team to help build and refine their system.
Regards
John
Thanks for your response John. As usual, very helpful.
My general collection of microcar photos within folders for each marque is simply to keep images of all different marques all in one place. Also a word sheet to add links to relevant sites and some general info.
(I have a lot of photos of general interest within the collection)
The main reason I started to do this was to have one area (directory / folder) for the real Rumcars registered vehicles. At the moment this folder is empty.
This folder was to contain sub-folders for each individual (Rumcar) registered car. The individual folder would be for any photos, new, old from current or previous owners of that car.
I was originally thinking of including the owner details and other technical information / history but have reconsidered this. It would be better for this personal info to be under Jean / Alastairs system & control and kept confidential.
So, the task is not as enormous as yours, Just a folder to store current and historic photos of the actual registered car, available to forum contributors.
If some of the photos are filed incorrectly or are not the correct car, it would not be the end of the world and they could be 'weeded-out'.
I was hoping that all members of the forum could contribute photos from their archives by joining DropBox but this is a big ask.
Dropbox is practically an industry standard for sharing big files and is used by big companies. It really isn't a threat, it can be a great asset outside of RumCars use.
Regards
Barry
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I agree with others that these days we don't have time to fill-in forms and post money and photos to Jean.
If any of you do change your mind and Register your car please don't send anything to me, Alastair Lauchland took over the responsibility for the Registration of Cars several years ago, in case you had not noticed.
Everyone seems very reluctant to pay out any money these days (even £1.50) or spend a little time filling in very simple, straight forward information about the cars. They are reluctant to admit to owning anything or even admitting to be known as an enthusiast of microcars it would seem by hiding behind non de plumes!
It is a good job there are still a few folk like Alastair and Chris who are willing to pick up the RUMCAR baton and keep it going. They give their time freely and willingly because they think our hobby is worth it. By all means let us use the tools available to us to day to obtain the information we need, it would be good if the registrations can be handled via the internet. but don't forget the purpose of the registration card and the windscreen sticker that are sent out to acknowledge the vehicles association with RUMCARS have to be paid for. If we want too have a better and more useful web site that too will probably will cost money because there are no volunteers help us with its creation. Soon to we shall have to pay someone to keep our accounts to because these are essential but no one will volunteer to help. It rather looks as though as long as people like Alastair, Chris and Mike Shepherd are prepared to give their time free gratis and for nothing that is fine everyone else can just enjoy the results of their labours. I only hope Chris never feels its not worthy bothering any more I am sure RUMCAR NEWS would be sorely missed.
I am sorry for this rant but there was a time if you had a hobby you enjoyed you used to be prepared to put something back into it,not expect the few willing souls to do all the work because you HAVEN'T GOT TIME!!!!!!!!!!
Jean
Everyone is entitled to a rant,Jean! A good ticking off by the head mistress is what we all need from time to time. I doesnt alter the fact that times and peoples attitudes change and so do the methods in which we do things. I recently added my Isetta to the Isetta register and it was just a matter of giving the car details to the club through the web site, as you say our web site needs updating but I would imagine this would be the way forward if that ever gets done and we find someone with the skills to make the changes. On the other hand , could that same thing not be achieved by just sending Alistair an email? Anyway, I can hold my head up as my cars are on the RC register and up to date with the exception of my latest project which is unbuild and therefore doesnt exist yet, its those other naughty children that need to pull there socks up! ;D My other point is that the pressure on many of us these days just to make a living and pay our bills is enormous! Suddenly things that were once all important have to go on the back burner for a while. In any case none of us are unappreciative of the efforts that the team have made on our behalf, I only wish I was retired and had more time.
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Ditto bob only another 12 or so years to go ! !
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Sorry I left it a while guys, been meaning to reply for a little while, but keep thinking "hmmm this evening", then the evening flies away, thats procrastination for you!
About the website, I sort of left it where it was, I just didnt really feel up for it after, and not sure if I would enjoy the responsability for it all. It was also a LOT of work for free (I'm not asking for anything), especially the "gallery" idea, which ocnsisted of making a page for every single microcar built with text and pictures for each page.
I have also had a problem with my website builder, I have lost access to my Nobel website. I will contact them, shouldn't be much.
Yes the problem seems to be "mopeds, mopeds, mopeds"...
I'm just not too happy with my website designing, it's not fin at all (well work never is, can;t be too fussy!) but its just plain boring sometimes, and frustrating when you want to do something and you spend forever trying to, wthout succeding! (well, that's life, isnt it?)
I build websites a completwely different way than other people, I hardly know how to code them, which complicates things when layouts need to be changed etc...
JP
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Yes the problem seems to be "mopeds, mopeds, mopeds"...
It's OK JP - no one thinks any less of you!
If you enjoy doing web-work, then do it. If not, then don't.
If you enjoy mopeds, then ... mopeds mopeds mopeds!
You should dabble in as many things as you can at your age.
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... just that sometimes it gets too carried away ;)
About 15 now, wel one of the 15 is my dads, but was given to me, and I still want to work on it before giving it to him ;)
This photo is getting old ;)
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I think it would be nice if we could just change the home page of the website for another photo if nothing else. Didnt Chris take a special photo for this purpose at one of the open days?
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i am trying to update the website now but i am doing my exams at the moment so i cant do it at the moment. :P
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Hmmm Another teenager updating the website. Does that fill me with confidence? >:(
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thanks for your encouragement bob!!! ::) I do know what you old foak like. ;D
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If the old folk do not like the teenager updating the site perhaps the old folk had better do it themselves any body and everybody can complain but nobody coming forward!!!
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If the old folk do not like the teenager updating the site perhaps the old folk had better do it themselves any body and everybody can complain but nobody coming forward!!!
The old folk very much like teenager undating web site trouble is teenager doesnt update website! Old folk still clueless as to how to update web site. End result, no one update web site! Can you do it Issysuy??
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what are you old folk on about?? ???
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what are you old foak on about?? ???
http://www.rumcars.org/forum/index.php?topic=3770.msg27736#msg27736
please read young 'un.
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yer thanks Jim :P
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As an older person I can confirm that time seems to go faster than when I was younger. That said the reason this is not getting done is not about age but about time. Time is apportioned in order of the importance of the tasks that have to be done, whether you make the list up or someone does it for you. Teenagers are on the cusp of finding out they can organize their own time. Therefore you are looking for someone who probably already knows how to do the task in hand that has some spare time. That person needs to not be as busy as, say, I am. That said I am well aware of the very true saying that if you want a job done find a busy person. There do seem a lot of folk who achieve very little over the same period as those who get things done. My theory is quite a lot of those folks are under instructions from someone else most of the time and get tasked with what to me is unimportant, like being present shopping for someone else's clothes. Poor sods, but if you do not stand up for your time you will not get it! Worse still you might have to get a Campervan! The ineffective Government is responsible for removing some time from the day by wasting it and creating a need to work harder to keep a standard of living - a tax by any other name. That leaves the idle, well since they will never get a car running they do not really figure in much of the calculations here unless they have skills to swap, which is the other way of getting things done of course.
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Ho Ho! There a quite a few of the later on this forum, love to talk and collect spare parts but will never actually get around to fixing up there microcar, thats if they own one at all! Still it takes all sorts. I didnt mean to discourage young Jamie but I was a teenager once and my middle name was procrastination! Getting the site updated is not the be all to me, having fun with the cars is the real hobby. Something Jamie will appreciate when we get his Peel running soon, I hope!
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Unfortunately Bob I am heavily involved with another motoring hobby and I am out most weekends with the Ferguson club if you would like a look have a peek at the Ferguson Club page where we won first prize for the club stand at Tractorworld and before Richard says I am going off topic I have just had the Isetta magazine where they are appealing for items and helpers, much as I would like to help my wife loves tractors (including spraying and mechanics ) but hates micros so I am between a rock and a hard place
There are just too few people who want to come forward and do anything but lots who want to have it done for them I agree having fun out and about is what it is all about but Internet sites and magazines need keeping going otherwise the simplest facts and histories get lost
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Do I want to look at the tractor web site? Now let me think? errr, No! Though plenty of other Rumsters will!
I think in the case of updating the RC web site, there would be plenty of volunteers but without the skills needed, there it ends.
For example, on April 7th down at Jeans place there will be a little gang of volunteers helping out with maintenance, not for any personal gain but just for the enjoyment of being around microcars and networking with others. [I wish I could get my cars maintained by other enthusiasts! mind you I wouldnt let them anywhere near my wheel nuts! ;)]
I didnt know you were an Isetta man, I'm looking for a good worm and nut to improve my steering, do you have any spares, preferably the square cut type?
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I eat my words, just had a peek and found it very interesting indeed, not because of the tractors but I didnt realize that Harry Ferguson , early Aviator and plane builder was the same guy as the tractor builder. The first Irish man to build and fly his own aeroplane in 1909. Looks similar to the Bleriot monoplane but being of that years it was almost inevitable! This youtube film is most informative and yes I know, its OFF TOPIC!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdXRIbbdTLg
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It was never going to work, BMW. Worms do not eat nuts. That why they are so hard to find using nuts as bait. A worm with a crew cut is even more difficult. But the off Topic lounge has not nuts and could be rancid in every bite so better here than there?
I thought the Ferguson Club was another name for kickball's Manchester United. Then a mention of an interested wife and knew that could not be right. What's wrong with tractors? I could get quite on collecting little old garden ones. Micro tractors. Already got a Bolens. I hear tell of a Gutbrod Superior lurking in a certain collection.
None of which solves the problem in hand.
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Yes Harry Ferguson another man in the Laurie Bond mould brilliant with early carburetors and tuning never made things like Bond but as a salesman surely the greatest and as Bob says an early aviation pioneer
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It was never going to work, BMW. Worms do not eat nuts. That why they are so hard to find using nuts as bait. A worm with a crew cut is even more difficult. But the off Topic lounge has not nuts and could be rancid in every bite so better here than there?
I thought the Ferguson Club was another name for kickball's Manchester United. Then a mention of an interested wife and knew that could not be right. What's wrong with tractors? I could get quite on collecting little old garden ones. Micro tractors. Already got a Bolens. I hear tell of a Gutbrod Superior lurking in a certain collection.
None of which solves the problem in hand.
Nothing at all wrong with tractors, they just dont pull my plough!! Boom Boom!!