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Title: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Bob Purton on March 30, 2013, 10:52:39 AM
As its been confirmed that the off topic lounge is for absolutely anything, here is a wimshurst machine I'm selling.  £520.00
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: NickPoll on March 30, 2013, 11:26:36 AM
Hello Bob,
     That looks lovely, but what does it do ?          Nick.
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Barry on March 30, 2013, 11:39:23 AM
Is this the one you made for a TV program Bob?
Looks like if you have managed to keep it you will get paid twice for it....................No doubt, even as a moderator you will get told off as it might be better in Sales and Aictions   :D
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Bob Purton on March 30, 2013, 11:42:38 AM
Hi Nick. It generates static electricity, just turn the handle, the two glass discs rotate in opposite directions, they excite and feed the leyden jars with electricity, the jars are like condensers that build up and then release much like a condenser in an ignition circuit [there' the microcar connention, I'm safe!]  and Zappp!!! a spark jumps across the two discharge rods, thats the two little brass balls above. Invented by James Wimshurst in the 19th century and was then called an influence machine.  They are one of my specialties.
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Bob Purton on March 30, 2013, 11:45:27 AM
Is this the one you made for a TV program Bob?
Looks like if you have managed to keep it you will get paid twice for it....................No doubt, even as a moderator you will get told off as it might be better in Sales and Aictions   :D

No Barry, that one was huge! It was for a Warner bros scifi film. This one is not a replica, its a mid 20th century one I restored.
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Barry on March 30, 2013, 12:07:01 PM
Looks fantastic Bob and really interesting.

But.....what can you use it for.

I have a nice UV carbon arc  'health' lamp.  You close the carbon rods together then screw them apart, maintaining a lovely 'Frankenstein - like' UV arc.  Really healthy!

I love these old machines.
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Bob Purton on March 30, 2013, 12:31:55 PM
What can you use it for? What an odd question, you bought my Messerschmitt and dont use that! Joy of owning a valuable collectors item, investment.

There are a whole series of electrostatic experiments that people do with them, they power Gieseler tubes, fire canons, collapse a lightning house, turn a static windmill, the list is endless if you are into the subject.  Early multiplate ones were the only thing that would generate enough voltage to power an X ray machine. I think you are going to have to have it Barry for the edification of your boys! ;D
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Rob Dobie on March 30, 2013, 01:13:44 PM
Zappp!!! a spark jumps across the two little brass balls above.

Now I know why the brass monkey was crying outside my front door last week.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Big Al on March 30, 2013, 02:32:41 PM
Hi Nick. It generates static electricity, just turn the handle, the two glass discs rotate in opposite directions, they excite and feed the leyden jars with electricity, the jars are like condensers that build up and then release much like a condenser in an ignition circuit [there' the microcar connention, I'm safe!]  and Zappp!!! a spark jumps across the two discharge rods, thats the two little brass balls above. Invented by James Wimshurst in the 19th century and was then called an influence machine.  They are one of my specialties.

Its a table mounted thunderstorm of sorts

Connect one end to one contender and the other to another (Anne Ode not Ant) and it makes Twister almost as exiting as a a real one going through a 'trailer park' in Albama.

I want Wimshurst hubcaps.

The implication is the time machine - original Rod Taylor version - had a Wimshurst on the rear of it spinning around. Bob is going to crack it one day and go back to buy all the rare Microcars and come forward to sell in auction fronted as an American Bubblegum Millionaire, they'll never guess, then putting his cash into the Cyprus tax haven - oh Bogner Regis!

I was edified once. I am a lot better after treatment and counselling.
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Stuart Cyphus on March 30, 2013, 02:38:42 PM

I was edified once. I am a lot better after treatment and counselling.


  That's the public schools for you...  ;D

Talking of Wimshurt machines, Alan & I did come across this little beauty last year in deepest Datchet from the same place which yielded five invalid carriages and the Peka caravan.   :)
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Barry on March 30, 2013, 03:29:20 PM
What can you use it for? What an odd question, you bought my Messerschmitt and dont use that! Joy of owning a valuable collectors item, investment.

There are a whole series of electrostatic experiments that people do with them, they power Gieseler tubes, fire canons, collapse a lightning house, turn a static windmill, the list is endless if you are into the subject.  Early multiplate ones were the only thing that would generate enough voltage to power an X ray machine. I think you are going to have to have it Barry for the edification of your boys! ;D

But I do use it Bob.  Probably more than many.  I don't go to shows with it on a trailer though.  I pop to the shops on a nice dry day.  I used to go to Diss for an MOT (should I MOT it this year?)  If one of my boys stays late at school, I pick him up, always puts a smile on peoples faces.  Better than just showing it off in a field don't you think?
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Bob Purton on March 30, 2013, 05:08:28 PM
Absolutely! Sorry Barry, because you never talk about it I assumed it was dormant like your others.
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Bob Purton on March 30, 2013, 05:17:44 PM

I was edified once. I am a lot better after treatment and counselling.


  That's the public schools for you...  ;D

Talking of Wimshurt machines, Alan & I did come across this little beauty last year in deepest Datchet from the same place which yielded five invalid carriages and the Peka caravan.   :)

Thats a continental machine Stuart, a very simple type but would be none the less effective. The reason the lighting tube is laid on the machine base is because if you hold one of those tubes near to a well cranked up wimshurst the tube will light up as if by magic. You should have tried to buy it whilst you were there, are you going back?  I'm curious about all the valves perched on vases in that photo, is the owner growing his own bulbs? :D

Al, in effect your hub caps are already wimshursts, thats why car often build up a static charge and give you a belt when you get out and touch the door to close it.   
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: marcus on March 30, 2013, 05:22:38 PM
Beautiful Bob, if I had the space I would buy it if I had the money!

I was nearly commissioned by BBC TV to make a Wimshurst Machine a few years back but then they decided to save budget and hire one from a museum.
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Barry on March 30, 2013, 05:30:52 PM
Absolutely! Sorry Barry, because you never talk about it I assumed it was dormant like your others.
Not all so dormant.  Velocette LE now has an MOT.  Two IWL scooters are ready for their MOT's - finished them today.  Morris Isis has an MOT - just run out.  Heinkel scooter is next.  Isetta............. ???
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Bob Purton on March 30, 2013, 06:09:44 PM
Oh you HAVE been busy! I was thinking more of the microcars though. For some reason I thought you had sold the IWL scooters?
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: richard on April 01, 2013, 10:17:56 PM
well i am surprised too barry . i thought you were all talk like me . but you never post on these interesting vehicles at all . nice to hear it anyway i will make a mental note not to judge people by their off topic activity alone  :)
the wimshurst machine ! what memories of the science labs at Public School 1970's . all holding hands in a circle  ( we did that naturally as you can imagine  ) the first and last boy each holding onto one ball  . cannot recall who got the shock when the circuit was broken - presumably the one next to the break . 
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Stuart Cyphus on April 01, 2013, 11:32:37 PM

. all holding hands in a circle  ( we did that naturally as you can imagine  ) the first and last boy each holding onto one ball  .
 

 You've just taken me back to my schools days there Ah, happy days.   ;D












  Why are you all looking at me funny?......   ???
Title: Re: Wimshurst machine
Post by: Big Al on April 02, 2013, 09:25:17 AM
No Wimshurst for us. A Van de Graph generator rather. It malfunctioned while I was at the Crib. As I was chief handy pupil I was allowed to help the Lab Technician repair it. The belt was loosing tension. Anyway we did such a good job that a speed control had to be added to adjust the amount of charge generated. From that I got to help the LT reasonably regularly, which was brilliant as a boarder as you could end up with a lot of time on your hands with nothing to do if you were a useless type. Not only that the LT was an expert on Bats so I learned something about them at the same time. I found loads to do, though not always of a benefit to school rules which were tested hard. I was the only upper 6th former to not be a Prefect, silly arses, just made me create more chaos in way that they could not prove who had done it. Never been good at the authority thing.