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General Category => Off Topic Lounge => Topic started by: richard on July 07, 2013, 06:27:41 PM
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i have one yet to be restored . Very similar , but pre-dating it , to the Nutshell Caravan of 1960. does anyone have pics , manufacturers details , dates brochure etc. thanks . i would like to at least once tow this on the Gordon :D
the pic taken at a Bath Rally several years ago shows the Nutshell - red and the Raleigh - green, i think at the time both owned by Alan Hillier
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The only mention I could find of the Raleigh Folding Caravan was in the Illustrated London News from February 22nd 1969 - "Young couples with a Mini or similar small car might well consider the Raleigh Folding Caravan, similar in appearance to the tent trailer. When raised it will sleep two adults and a youngster and costs only £94.
But there is a little bit more here
http://www.steve-pepper.co.uk/IROM/page8.html (http://www.steve-pepper.co.uk/IROM/page8.html)
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thanks a lot thats the one - no pic with the article is there . would like to see original lights and wheel arches i did email steve pepper at that email but returned not in use anymore
i read that the Raleigh preceded the Nutshell of 1960 and had thought the Raleigh out of production by then - obviously not , so which was first i wonder
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Hi Richard
I took my Raleigh caravan to Story towed behind a Heinkel it made it there and back - I thought the the Nut-shell predated the Raleigh - I seemed to remember giving my spares to a needy person ;D
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think you must be right on all counts ;) any pics of it mike ?
try this clip http://www.britishpathe.com/video/folding-caravan
or this http://www.britishpathe.com/video/folding-caravan-1
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and this but nothings Raleigh
http://pub25.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=2099944454&frmid=5&msgid=891673&cmd=show&cp=1
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Nutshell was made by Stewart's (or Stuart's) Hacklemakers in Dundee as a means of keeping the staff employed in the quiet times.
I had one but scrapped it.
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Raleigh Mini Caravans of Telford Shropshire sounds like a likely suspect. Traded from 1967 till 1976 when it changed name to Raleigh Caravan Awnings Ltd
http://www.chiltern-trs.co.uk/Geoff_caravan.htm (http://www.chiltern-trs.co.uk/Geoff_caravan.htm)
http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00922220 (http://companycheck.co.uk/company/00922220)
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thanks a lot thats the one - no pic with the article is there . would like to see original lights and wheel arches i did email steve pepper at that email but returned not in use anymore
i read that the Raleigh preceded the Nutshell of 1960 and had thought the Raleigh out of production by then - obviously not , so which was first i wonder
Steve Peper seems to live on Facebook these days. Sadly I do not, as I do not like such sites, so cannot read much of what he posted. He also seems to be much less active on Microcaravans. Another topic of interest that maybe rudderless. I found no real support in trying to identify the manufacturers of the Peka. That is sold now and my interest in the area is low so its up to others on this one.
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Thanks for that - I think that Telford new town only came about around 1970. But would seem to answer that . Never heard this before .
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Hi Richard
Saw this today at a classic car show in Newbury. Couldn't remember if it was a Raleigh you were asking about otherwise I'd have taken more pics!
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thanks very much all i needed ! would like the original sheet whenever i could find it - now i can date it more i know where more likely to find info . great
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and of course once you know exactly what name to Google the worlds your Lobster ;D
there is only one mention of this device on Google and it turns out this one is a replica albeit he has the brochure and proper name etc. but again conflicting mfg. and date http://www.chiltern-trs.co.uk/Geoff_caravan.htm
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One of the more creative pieces of lateral thinking is what (I have read) are the original mudguards - a washing-up bowl cut in half and turned on its side!
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Yup, I heard about the washing up bowl too! In a similar vein I remember reading about a fellow's micro collection in a classic car mag about 15-20 years ago; he had restored a 1930s Raleigh Van (motorcycle forks at front) and had a tough job cutting the right elliptical shape for the rear window holes in the bodywork until he found his wife's pie dish was exactly the right size and shape.
When I was designing my portable timpani I started fabricating a small dish shaped part for the tuning mechanism, a whole day's work. Then I suddenly realised that an Indespension stub axle dust cap for trailers was perfect for the job and I used them. yup, about 1,000 dust caps can be found in my drums all over the world!
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It was a baby bath not a washing up bowl - that would be ridiculous :D
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Did they take the baby out before cutting it in half?
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Hi Andrew
The washing up bowl cut in half is wrong - it was a baby's bath - bigger than a washing up bowl and it fitted the wheel being slightly elongated - you should be aware the the wheels were a 3 stud fitting - and the nut's went clockwise an on side of the caravan and anticlockwise on the other side to save them coming off at speed :D
Mike
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this is the NUTSHELL - almost identical to the RALEIGH . did anyone ever tow one with the 197cc Villiers engined Bond Mk D pictured
i love the gap in the text " appreciate the amazing performance " fill in the gap - well perhaps better not :D
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For Colin. Some background.
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Barry,
The first photograph clearly shews both Nutshell and Raleigh caravans; the difference being clearly discernable.
The Nutshell's wheel arches were a Featherwear baby-bath cut in half although the Raleigh may have been different (my Raleigh was although may not have been original equipment). This was at a time where glass-fibre was rather expensive.
To remove the wheel on a Nutshell you had to remove the wheel bearings as well; a filthy job. So I altered mine to use the wheels /hubs from a Raleigh as the last thing one wanted was to have to dismantle the hubs and bearings at the side of a busy windswept road in order to repair a puncture. Practicality won the day here especially as the Nutshell was used regularly and I hoped to locate a spare rim to avoid changing tubes at the roadside. The three threads /nuts holding the wheels on the hubs were not handed.
I've no idea how many Raleigh caravan survive. The last time I met a fellow Nutshell owner (from Ayrshire) just six were known of - two in England and four in Scotland. Mine being either chassis number 14 (or 141). The Ayrshire Nutshell was no longer folded and was towed behind a Morris Oxford station wagon (mine folds down and sits behind a Traveller).
Kind regards,
Colin
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I think Malcolm Bull might have one ot two, Coventry way. He had 7 micro caravans last time I spoke to him. Goes under the pseudonym of Malcmog normally. He is an active Morgan Trike man.
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Al,
Stan Cornock of the Bond Owners Club used to own one (Birmingham) but that was many years ago.
Of the four in Scotland one was described as a basket-case, one was used (but not folding) and I cannot recall the status of the other two - this was when I met the Ayrshire owner back in 2008 (tempus fugit)!
However, it would be superb if more have since been discovered!
Kind regards,
Colin
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brings back memory's , although we only had the trailer full of tent and camping gear , the trick with the Bond was to drop the 19 sprocket and fit a 18 tooth , this kept momentum going whilst climbing !
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"the trick with the Bond was to drop the 19 sprocket and fit a 18 tooth , this kept momentum going whilst climbing"
I never managed to change the sprocket whilst on the move let alone whilst climbing...... ;)
Seriously though I seem to recall fitting 44-tooth chain rings instead of 42-tooth and did experiment with a 19T sprocket (instead of 22T) on a MkG for towing but eventually kept to the original gearing (although used the intermediate ratios out of Invacar gearboxes).
What I do remember is having MkG gearboxes seize on very steep hills (not when towing). As a consequence I tried using Slick50 in the gearboxes and never had a seizure since.
Kind regards,
Colin
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I think stan cornock would still have his , alan hillier had the two pictured in the first photo , i suspect hes sold one or both , i have this month eventually found wheels for mine . Work might now even start
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Richard,
Is yours a Raleigh or a Nutshell?
The Nutshell Caravans came first being made by L. Stewart & Sons of Dens Road, Dundee who I believe sold them for £98.
The design was then sold to Raleigh Mini Caravans Ltd of Rye Lane, Peckham who altered the design (probably to simplify construction and lower the cost to I think 89 guineas). The Raleigh caravans used to be sold in Gamages!
I still use the original striped canvas awning for my Nutshell - it is a simple affair that clips onto screws along the entire length of the roof beading then rests on top of the open door; the awning roof tapering from the open door corners to the far corners of the caravan roof (where it was tied). Besides the two door poles the awning also ties to loops in the body base (front and rear) and is handed - it will only hang properly on the kerbside (i.e. in direction of travel).
The interior of the Nutshell's base (including the bunk-bed) was varnished but I seen to recall the Raleigh may have been painted. Although the interiors were similar they did noticeably differ between the two makes
Originally I did have both a Nutshell and Raleigh but restored the (older) Nutshell and passed on the (newer) Raleigh to somebody in the Bond owners club - I didn't need both.
In recent years I have used the Nutshell behind my Traveller but the (necessary) speed limit for towing can make journeys slow and tedious (says he who used to drive a MkF Van everyday)
I do hope Stan Cornock does still have his Nutshell and I ought to see if I kept the details of the chap in Ayrshire with his Morris Oxford and Nutshell as he knew the location of those in Scotland.
I gave up Bond Minicars many years ago so the only (very) sporadic contact I have in the microcar world now is with Jean Hammond and an old friend who has a 49cc 'Postman Pat' Willam van. But that is another story........
Kind regards,
Colin
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I have now taken some recent photographs of my Nutshell for interest.
The first two are conventional elevations but the third is the interior with just one end held in place 9so one can actually see the layout). Basically it forms four seats or a double bed - there is the single original bunk bed which is quite useful as a night-stand.
Finally is the original awning (in excellent condition) laid out on the deck of the Nutshell. The green canvas forms the awning roof and clips /ties onto the roof of the Nutshell and is open door; the striped sides hang vertically. The awning is handed so can only hang on the nearside (kerbside). As this was an impromptu photo session I hadn't bought the Nutshell's door key so could open the flap to erect the awning.
I will be selling the Nutshell shortly as I've not used it for some while having towed it long-distance behind Mk F and Mk G Bond Minicars. Although it tows effortlessly behind my Traveller the speed limit for towing is somewhat limiting on in respect of my Traveller's high-performance engine. However, the Nutshell is very practical and in a fully serviceable condition as ca be seen from the photographs.
Regards,
Colin Watts
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Three more Nutshell caravan photographs (both folded and erect) shewing the curved ends (Raleigh ends are linear) and fine point at the towing end.
The original towing eye appeared to be just a flat plate with a hole through it for the towing pin. This enabled the front stand to be rotated upwards and used as a carrying handle.
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Lovely pics Colin, I have a Raleigh , as you say similar . Odd as one was on ebay two weeks ago and Mike Shepherd bought it, his second, and he as taking it to Beaulieu this week and we will be taking afternoon tea in it 🙂 . It would be nice to keep yours " in the fold "
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Richard,
Just after purchasing the Nutshell I also bought a Raleigh hence understanding all the differences. In the end I decided to restore (with my father's assistance - he was trained as a cabinet-maker) the Nutshell and sell on the Raleigh - I cannot remember who to.
I've used the Nutshell on some very cold nights (it is very cosy) and took it to some distant events as well as simply using it to go on holiday.
They tow exceedingly well (the wheels are set quite far back) and are surprisingly practical. All the seat cushion, bedding and most of the camping equipment will fit inside.
What did the Raleigh fetch on ebay and what condition was it in?
Kind regards,
Colin
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Richard,
Further to my message I've just located the ebay advert under Nutshell.
(http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/vintage-classic-caravan-Nutshell-Collapsable-VERY-VERY-RARE-/172163011532?hash=item2815b713cc%3Ag%3AoPQAAOSw8RJXCkI7&nma=true&si=cAT4uicU4YggnegYepSkCvoba1Y%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557)
It is most certainly a Raleigh (placing it from the 60s) although for something that is fully restored it looks to be exceedingly cheap and rather a bargain.
In terms of practical use the Raleigh should be little different to the earlier Nutshell.
Kind regards,
Colin