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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: thomast on July 22, 2013, 10:03:19 AM

Title: what wing mirror?
Post by: thomast on July 22, 2013, 10:03:19 AM
final touches for the Trojan that has to be on the road at the DWAC-event in 4 weeks time. What is a close to original wing mirror on the trojan 200?

Regards Thomas

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Auto-Performance-Silicone-Hoses_Classic-Wing-Mirrors_W0QQ_fsubZ378995519QQ_sidZ69199769QQ_trksidZp4634Q2ec0Q2em322
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 22, 2013, 11:25:01 AM
No idea on a trojan but mine used to have that lovely little 3 point mounting one off the SAAB 95 /96 nice looking mirror can't recall the make but would if told - if you know what I mean  :).   By the a DWAC rally is on my bucket list they know how to rally don't they                                                                                     
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: marcus on July 22, 2013, 04:41:58 PM
Round ones look nice, but I fitted the 4-sided wedge/rhombus shape to mine as they give a slightly wider field of view. The narrow end is near the stem, then they get wider further out. I have one on each side, and the central one on the door...I want to know in advance whatever stupid thing the %*&@* behind me is about to do!
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: Big Al on July 22, 2013, 05:49:08 PM
I believe that on the Trojan Trust website there is a scan of the optional extras. A red ink leaflet. There is the Trojam Mirror on it. A rare thing. It is pretty similar to the early mirrors for Isetta.
Some garages in Britain chose to fit Desmo Boomerangs for customers - like Mini. These are a bit large for idle styling match.
There is an Albert version of mirror that is principle for the Fiat, if memory serves, which looks well. This might be the same as the Saab one mentioned. Not sure if the Italians use it, might be a German alternative fitting. German eBay?
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: marcus on July 22, 2013, 05:58:40 PM
I think I might have got mine from a Morris Minor parts supplier.
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 22, 2013, 06:43:12 PM
i think it was albert from a SAAB and here it is in SPARROWS lovely book - i know its not for me to say BUT for style German car German period mirror i love it still !
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: marcus on July 22, 2013, 06:54:25 PM
Richard, I did not realise that was your lovely car in Sparrow! Yup that mirror is pretty, vaguely similar in shape to mine but more rounded and thus more "bubbly", whilst still giving that slightly bigger view than round mirrors.
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 22, 2013, 07:19:55 PM
thank you Marcus , yes mike shepherd and i were out at a national cannot recall which and mike ? sparrow asked us for a photoshoot at a local lunatic asylum ! Mikes Heinkel soft top and my Trojan . a talented photographer slightly wacky and so was his Model - also seen with the Frisky of Mike Webster.
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: marcus on July 22, 2013, 07:30:20 PM
I know M's soft top well, another beautiful car! When I was getting close to finishing mine I was not sure where to put the horn as different H-Ts have them in different places, some under the floor, some above the 1/4 bumper, some below. The pics of your car settled the matter for me!
Andrea and David sparrow, have both books!
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 22, 2013, 07:37:22 PM
OMG don't use me as reference ! on REFLECTION  ;D i think my mirror may have been Frese a make used on earlier VW as well , but perhaps not with that triangular mounting as SAAB
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 22, 2013, 07:53:40 PM
sorry i couldn't do the double page spread any better , i thought they were a lovely pair - and the cars looked okay too  ;D
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on July 23, 2013, 12:17:51 AM
I could only see an inventory list of on the Trojan site but I did find a picture on this page.

http://www.classicmotor.se/bilder/?id=340904 (http://www.classicmotor.se/bilder/?id=340904)

I don't know if it helps much!

Looking through some older photos of Trojans, many don't have wing mirrors at all, but the ones that do look most like these two

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Wing-Mirror-Springback-Wing-Mirror-Convex-Glass-/290473237436 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Wing-Mirror-Springback-Wing-Mirror-Convex-Glass-/290473237436)

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Wing-Mirror-Springback-Wing-Mirror-Flat-Glass-/330470153371 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Wing-Mirror-Springback-Wing-Mirror-Flat-Glass-/330470153371)
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: marcus on July 23, 2013, 07:57:39 AM
Yup, that's the style I have on mine.
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 23, 2013, 09:07:18 AM
Yep but the Trojan one is not wing mounted its in the more rigid plate by the 1/4 light , isn't it ?
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: marcus on July 23, 2013, 09:12:05 AM
Looks like it. Mine are on the wings. I am not too bothered with "originality" everywhere, and I suspect various mirrors were fitted during H-T's production life, and possibly by some first owners after for a time driving without mirrors!
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: Big Al on July 23, 2013, 09:14:12 AM
That is the image I was thinking of and there is the correct mirror. It is very similar to early Isetta, Zundapp too I think. The head has a strange pimple on it though. None the less it is light, delicate of design and indeed mounts in a place where it will not leak water through a ruddy great hole. Being so sensible no one really copies it but goes for the big hole option. Hey ho!

The interior mirror was a farce. I can understand why folk do not use them.
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: thomast on July 23, 2013, 09:40:16 AM
I like this one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Classic-Wing-Mirror-Springback-Wing-Mirror-Convex-Glass-/290473237436

Has an arm with an angle though. I have the hole in the body for the mirror under 1/4 light. Mirror on image has a straight arm. Might that cause a problem?
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 23, 2013, 10:05:44 AM
If you have a hole not in the wing this will not work
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: thomast on July 23, 2013, 01:07:39 PM
I'll have a go on this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&&item=121143751224
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: richard on July 23, 2013, 02:19:48 PM
Looking good from here
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: marcus on July 23, 2013, 02:54:50 PM
Nice Aussenspiegel Spiegel!
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: Big Al on July 23, 2013, 05:37:16 PM
Desmo Boomerang replica is still available. Has rounder lense more in keeping with the rounder lines of the Treinkel. I think they are £45 from the outfit in London, Edge Hill, or whatever their name is. So an eBay less than that is of interest. It is about the biggest hole in a wing though! Some of these look a likes have none spring mounting. Great if they are in an area unlikely to get knocked. Not convinced a wing mount on a Trojan is that position. Would it get bent? As soon as you have the spring mount you have a large hole. I would hold off and see what else is available, though I guess you need something to be legal on the road, bringing the pressure on for a choice.
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on July 24, 2013, 12:22:16 AM
Is this an original one on a Trojan?

https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=bd5923a0535e49cb&id=BD5923A0535E49CB!2082&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&sc=Photos&authkey=!AtkVaBBvDWDpbFg#cid=BD5923A0535E49CB&id=BD5923A0535E49CB!2085&sc=Photos&authkey=!AtkVaBBvDWDpbFg (https://skydrive.live.com/?cid=bd5923a0535e49cb&id=BD5923A0535E49CB!2082&Bsrc=Share&Bpub=SDX.SkyDrive&sc=Photos&authkey=!AtkVaBBvDWDpbFg#cid=BD5923A0535E49CB&id=BD5923A0535E49CB!2085&sc=Photos&authkey=!AtkVaBBvDWDpbFg)

From The 18th Gould's Microcar Event July 12, 13, and 14, 2013

http://www.bubbledrome.com/mmclassic_13/uday_13.html (http://www.bubbledrome.com/mmclassic_13/uday_13.html)

Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: Big Al on July 24, 2013, 08:20:22 AM
Not on the blue car, no. Cannot pic mine as it is lockdown storage.
Title: Re: what wing mirror?
Post by: thomast on July 24, 2013, 09:24:35 PM
it's mine!  ;D