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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Jim on July 31, 2013, 09:20:47 PM

Title: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on July 31, 2013, 09:20:47 PM
Hi all, my Bond MKG chrome bonnet hinge left hand side and both door handles are realy badly pitted could probably get re chromed but don`t know if I want the shock of price re chroming so wonderd if any of you guys new where I can get replacements or just for interest what BL car they were originally made for.

I`m awaiting reply from Bond Owners Club Spares re other items so no point in using that avenue just yet.

There is a pair of early Morris 1000 bonnet hinges going on ebay  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160727684242?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2648#ht_165wt_1136

When I double checked using the ESM Morris car Web site I realised the stud configuration on the back of these hinges is different also not sure if they are 7¾ inch long as mine are.

The exterior door hadles on my Bond are very much like the ones you can get for the early Morris AMBASSADOR made for the indian market but once again they are different not quite the same.  :-X 
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on July 31, 2013, 10:05:49 PM
would like door handles myslf so must photograph for i.d. bonnet hinges must have  been VERY hard to get as the club have had them made but very expensive i think - but if desperate there seems no alternative . club spares still getting no reply heard it from 3 people this week ! do hope mike and renate ok but no replies to emails for the last two months seems par for the course . what do you know nick M ?

door handles 6 1/4" total length does anyone recognise them they will definetly be off something else 1958/64 ish - thanks
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on July 31, 2013, 11:32:39 PM
Don't know about the dimensions, but the door handles look quite a lot like the Wilmot Breeden ones used on a lot of the Standard car range.

http://youraccount.ekmpowershop9.com/ekmps/shops/standardmotor/50s-locking-and-non-locking-door-handle----3-piece-kit-ss-3196-p.asp (http://youraccount.ekmpowershop9.com/ekmps/shops/standardmotor/50s-locking-and-non-locking-door-handle----3-piece-kit-ss-3196-p.asp)

http://www.bobine.nl/turner/07-body/turner-950-mk-1-door-locks/ (http://www.bobine.nl/turner/07-body/turner-950-mk-1-door-locks/)
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 01, 2013, 06:32:47 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Charlesdegall/Bond%20Minicar%20MKG/IMGBonnethingeESMfortheearlyMorrisMinor1000differentstudarrangementt_zpsd00182ab.jpg)  studs further apart on these early Morris 1000 hinges
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 01, 2013, 06:41:56 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Charlesdegall/Bond%20Minicar%20MKG/Bondminicarmkgstudarangement_zps6dd8a04d.jpg)   Bond stud arangement
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 01, 2013, 06:44:31 AM
(http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Charlesdegall/Bond%20Minicar%20MKG/Doorhandlea_zpsadb9d940.jpg)
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on August 01, 2013, 08:54:15 AM
Thanks rusty will check that one out - it looks correct though not cheap at 80 pair IF you are a member of that club ! Bond had contacts with Standard Triumph of course through the Bond Equipe range .
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 01, 2013, 10:40:23 AM
Just to keep you all up to date I have just had a reply from ESM regards the Early Morris 1000 and the hinges they are supplying are shorter in lengh.

The hinge part no SV201 is only 7” long and I cannot help with the door handle either

Good luck with your search

Kind Regards,

Jeff@ESM

Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on August 01, 2013, 11:21:23 AM
Jim I am sure that the bonnet hinges are not off anything as common as that or the club , mike hele. , would not have spent a lot of time and money having them specially cast . Bond owners have looked. For years .
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Grant Kearney on August 01, 2013, 05:55:12 PM
would like door handles myslf so must photograph for i.d. bonnet hinges must have  been VERY hard to get as the club have had them made but very expensive i think - but if desperate there seems no alternative . club spares still getting no reply heard it from 3 people this week ! do hope mike and renate ok but no replies to emails for the last two months seems par for the course . what do you know nick M ?

door handles 6 1/4" total length does anyone recognise them they will definetly be off something else 1958/64 ish - thanks
Richard,
Mick & Renate are on holiday in Italy and are away for another 2 weeks.  Prior that they were at 'Bonds Abroad'
Jim,
I would seriously consider having your old hinges and handles re-chromed.  This will be much cheaper than locating new parts.  I use Prestige Plating of Mexborough and they are very reasonable.  I have had badly pitted Mazak re-chromed by the with great results. 
All hinges and handles came from the Wilmot Breeden parts bin.  The bonnet hinges have never been identified hence why Bond Spares have re-manufactured them several times over the last 25 years.  You can fit a pair of Morris Minor boots hinges (as fitted to my MkF Family) but you must re-drill the locating holes in the body and change the profile of the hinge surface by removing the studs and filing some material away.  Healey 3000 boots hinges will so do the job and their stud spacing should fit the Bond but the profile still needs altering.
The boot hinges on the MkG Estate and Ranger were also fit to the Riley RM series.  Door handles are from the Standard range as are the bumpers for Mk E-G.
Just collected a batch of MkG chrome hubs caps today for Bond Spares so Mick will have them back in stock soon.  New ones are far cheaper than having the old ones re-chromed  :)
Grant
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on August 01, 2013, 08:21:04 PM
thanks Grant - very pleased to hear mike and renate just busy . Prestige for chroming thanks for that tip .
have been thinking about this company - recommended by a letter to OBM a couple of months ago - and i can get there easily . they do look quite professional and were said to be reasonably priced
http://www.ashfordchroming.com/area/chrome-plating/Ashton-under-Lyne


i do need a small split brazing on a headlamp rim does anyone on the forum braze and could do a favour please , don't mind paying or please where can i get it done - thanks
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Bob Purton on August 01, 2013, 08:41:18 PM
Whats the bezel made from? Steel? Brass? Why dont you silver solder it?
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on August 01, 2013, 09:04:14 PM
brass headlamp rim , but i know nothing of these arts  :(
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 02, 2013, 09:21:17 AM
Cheers Grant will definatly be looking into getting parts re chromed thanks for the other info very helpfull, Like you I have passed on info to Mike about items, I called him about three weeks ago about tyres but he was having probs getting there supplier of tyres to deliver in a reasonable time period,  problems at the docks apparently so I agreed if I came across an alternative supplier I would let him know as it turned out I was successful in getting three tyres delivered to me the next day so I sent the details onto Mike by e-mail who knows Mike might be able to get them further discounted if he orders more than I did, as the add say’s every little helps.  ;D
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on August 02, 2013, 01:18:00 PM
Yes as Grant makes clear it's not only the length of hinge and the stud spacing that needs to be correct . They are handed left and right but also the angle at which they work can be very different . A pair came with my Gordon but the bonnet would only half open as then the two hinges were working against each other and they came to a stop . All information that is near impossible to ascertain on the net . You can buy a pair that measure up and fit but won't work !
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 02, 2013, 04:41:09 PM
Cheers Richard as it turns out I did know about the left and right handed bonnet hinges being different but yes I can see what you mean about the angle a hinge is desighned to work at needs to be apreciated this is all good information and I must say I much prefer this forum medium as a way of sharing info and our love of micro cars its better by miles than just sending an e-mail and of course every forum member can join in long live the RUM forum. ;D
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Grant Kearney on August 02, 2013, 07:35:02 PM
Finally I can hijack a thread and talk about the Gordon   ;D
Richard, just in case you don't know, the bonnet hinges on the Gordon were sourced from the boot of the Healey 3000.  About the only useful bit of info I know about a Gordon.
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on August 02, 2013, 07:46:54 PM
now how on earth did you find that out Grant ?? i have a pair now can't recall how i found out now . just realised i have recently LOST my so SCOTTISH  ;D Gordon bonnet badge , i do hope it's just mislaid  :o
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Nimrod Cabin on August 02, 2013, 10:33:11 PM
This is my first post on the forum, so with encouragement from Richard to respond here goes.............

Yes, as Grant says, the door handles are from the Standard series, the 8 & 10 HP of the fifties I believe, as for the bonnet hinges they are I think unique to the Bond, the closest I have ever seen are from the Morris Oxford MO series of about 1950/1 but even these are a bit shorter.

Use a decent chrome plating company for the hinges I reckon and have a look on Ebay or Standard 8/10 Owners Club for the door handles
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Nimrod Cabin on August 02, 2013, 10:41:04 PM
Looks like the TVR uses them as well
http://www.tvr-car-club.co.uk/models/pre_m_grantura_restoration.asp

You must be able to find a decent pair fairly easily I would have thought
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Grant Kearney on August 02, 2013, 10:49:36 PM
now how on earth did you find that out Grant ?? i have a pair now can't recall how i found out now . just realised i have recently LOST my so SCOTTISH  ;D Gordon bonnet badge , i do hope it's just mislaid  :o
Don't loose that badge, its the best part of the car........
When Rob was putting the finishing touches to Jean's Gordon he was looking for a pair of hinges with good chrome on them.  By the profile and length they were identified as Morris Minor boot hinges.  However, the nice shiny hinges that I sent Rob would not fit, the stud positions were wrong.  Rob painted the old hinges and they were refitted.  Measured up the hinges and stud spaces at the Open day and matched them to another hinge that is used on the door of another car I own.  These were sourced from the Healey 3000.  So there you have it.
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Barry on August 02, 2013, 11:03:50 PM
My Morris Isis 1955 has very similar looking hinges.  Long on the bonnet and shorter on the boot.  I cannot imagine Bond making these hinges, they must be from something else.
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on August 03, 2013, 12:42:24 AM
My Morris Isis 1955 has very similar looking hinges.  Long on the bonnet and shorter on the boot.  I cannot imagine Bond making these hinges, they must be from something else.
If they match anything at all, it'll be from something that was in production around 1951-52 when the Mark C was being developed. I'm sure whatever it is that they were designed for (assuming that it wasn't the Bond) is going to be much more obscure.

You could always try Weston Body Hardware, the company that took over from Wilmott Breedon to see if they have any record.

http://www.westonbodyhardware.com/our-history/ (http://www.westonbodyhardware.com/our-history/)
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 03, 2013, 07:46:32 AM
Flip in heck whose the man Nimrod Cabin and Scootercar are I think who ever invented the the term internet highway definitely got that right thanks guys questions answered and surpassed by you all ;D
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on August 03, 2013, 11:16:00 AM
started a major sortout and found The Gordon badge previously mislaid had thought it might have gone missing at night school and was nearly blaming " those robbing scousers " they are often unfairly blamed ! all my fault . also found a nice pair of PEEL back lights n.o.s ?
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 04, 2013, 04:01:22 PM
All`s well that ends well then ;D
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: Jim on August 04, 2013, 06:18:29 PM
Information high way          http://standard8n10spares.co.uk/
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: richard on January 08, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
at £49.95 per handle ! do people really buy 4 to go on their Standard cars Phew !!
http://standard8n10spares.co.uk/standard-vanguard-phase-1a-and-phase-2-door-handles-119-p.asp
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: plas man on January 11, 2015, 08:42:19 PM
Mk G door window winding gear all Stadard Penant ,
bonnet hindges Daimler Dart (?) (££££'s)
Title: Re: Bond Minicar MKG bonnet hinges and exterior door handles
Post by: DaveMiller on January 11, 2015, 09:09:01 PM
Mk G door window winding gear all Stadard Penant ,
bonnet hindges Daimler Dart (?) (££££'s)

I can confirm the door stuff (same on the more populous Standards 8 and 10, incidentally).

I reckon the Daimler Dart bonnet hinges are remarkable similar (suggesting the same designer and manufacturer) but are of different proportions.