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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Bob Purton on August 22, 2013, 08:33:12 AM
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Is everyone away on there holidays?
Which microcar is the most like an aeroplane?
Here is one of my favourite home made cars, dont even know if its a microcar.
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I like that car too, but not really very practical! The KR is the most plane-like of all the well known micros/bubbles, Heinkel Trojans are more like helicopters. Morgans/Sandfords/Darmont-Morgans and D'Yrsans all have an aeronautical look too. One Morgan was customised a bit like the one in your pictures, but also had small dummy wings!
I reckon the Dymaxions have an aeronautical look too, but WAY outside the "micro" classification, even by US standards!
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Russian Microcar?
Others here (not microcars)
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/idlctbx5uyu1yss/DFFTMcNrxU/Plane%20Cars
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Thats huge Barry.
What about this Kaiser, or does it resemble a Zepplin more than a plane?
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I would think either the Messerschmitt or the Inter. More so the Messerschmitt due to the dome.
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Ah yeh but an Inter has a pointy front where thre prop should be!
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Barry's photo is an Antonov An 2 (or 22?), the world's biggest ever single engine biplane. A friend knew a man in Canada who had a DC3/Dakota fuselage on a Winnebago chassis.
Forgot to mention Velorex even though I used to have one, certainly within Micro rules, but perhaps more of a cycle car, but very much like a road going airship.
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I will ignore barry. The most aero cyclecar would have to be the pre and even post war Morgan three wheelers. Even the big Matchless or Jap engine out front look vaguely rotary with exposerd oil lines and potential for oil streams landing on those tiny aeroscreens . Have you ever seen inside a Morgan cockpit - Very BIGGLES
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The Inter also has a "jet exhaust" style hole in the back!
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At a RUM open day a few years ago I had a ride in one of the Mogan trikes, and having flown in a de Havilland Tiger Moth from Headcorn I can happily confirm that the Morgan feels very much like a road-going open cockpit bi-plane. Lean out and watch the valve rockers clicking away, aero screens, wind in the face, love it. As we went around a corner two men leaning on a gate instantly saluted as they saw the Morgan, very Biggles!
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Just near Wandsworth Bridge Road there used to be a fellow (Neville?) with a KR or two. He also had an Isetta in RAF camouflage with roundels, looked great!
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Well here's the jet hole in the Inter rear
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For extra power you attach a tube to the rear hole and eat lots of baked beans!
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Ah thats where I'm going wrong then Marcus!
I think I have posted this before but this is made by an aircraft factory, do you think it would fly?
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^ Another favourite of mine!
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Gosh, that got everyone posting again! I was beginning to think the forum was being boycotted after I removed the Bobbydog topic! I am glad it is not, I miss the chatter! Jean
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Why stick with the old stuff.......................(and in case no one's noticed, I am ignoring Richard)
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I would like to ignore you Barry but there's so little on ;) my problem is you drag everything onto another subject . I am trying to think but have you EVER posted ANYTHING regarding unusual microcars - under unusual micro car discussion , I am not sure you have . :)
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I'm sorry Richard. I really will try to stay on track in the future.
I have such a broad interest in so many different unusual vehicles, I forget than I am supposed to stick to unusual microcars on here.
Rare is good but unusual and rare the better.
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Barry ! Much amusement at this end ! When I only questioned if you had EVER made a relevant comment I awaited correction . Sorry I only joined the. Forum 3 years ago so could not have been aware that you did make a relevant comment back in 2008 ! :D
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I would like to ignore you Barry but there's so little on ;) my problem is you drag everything onto another subject . I am trying to think but have you EVER posted ANYTHING regarding unusual microcars - under unusual micro car discussion , I am not sure you have . :)
Barry's posts are always interesting, and do relate to microcars by and large.
I hereby crown you "Richard the Rude". ;D
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well you don't read with any discernment steven :) as barry himself quoted his 2008 offering :D
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Perhaps Barry is too humble or polite to point out the obvious.
His recent posts allowed all Rumcars readers to see the extensive video coverage of "Microcars South", which was a very interesting multi make microcar shoot from the My Clasic Car TV show and the marvelous old footage of the forgotton Hungarian microcars are just the latest of his valuable offerings.
i dare say that they have been the most interesting bits we've had the privelage of seeing as of late.
Did you not discern these earlier?
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sorry all musn't let this get out of hand :) steven if you read my original point back , i was making the point that barry has a tendency to drag things " off topic " he agrees ! i asked about Unusual microcar posts under unusual microcar discussion heading - barrys replied - he does wander off . i never meant that he hasn't added interesting items for one moment .
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Ding Ding. End of round one!
It's great that when there are important things to discuss like threads, light lenses and trim etc. there is a wealth of knowledge and help amongst the contributors.
So many people have found answers or links to really important information.
We are all on here because we love small cars, the history and diversity.
At the same time we can discuss some more trivial issues and there is plenty of harmless banter / fun.
None of us want to stick to a one make 'closed shop'. But at the same time we all favour certain makes over others (even Gordons). ;D
Some want to stick a bit more rigidly to the Microcar rails. Unfortunately I am interested in all things unusual and sometimes I am too keen to share info on peripheral vehicles.
Thanks for your support Steven. I understand your side Richard.
I don't want anyone falling out over my contributions which can be serious or just a casual side issue depending on the mood of the topic.
Time to get back to enjoying the forum and finding some genuine aeroplane microcars. I must admit, I fell in love a long time ago with the car that Bob originally posted.
Such style. If money were no object I would love to recreate it.
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sorry all musn't let this get out of hand. i asked about Unusual microcar posts under unusual microcar discussion heading - i never meant that he hasn't added interesting items for one moment .
The Pajtas (Buddy) is indeed a very interesting microcar that I would never have been aware of if it weren't for Barry's posts showing the charming forgotten Hungarian microcars that were indeed published under the "unusual microcar discussion heading", just 12 days prior to your launching your complaint that such actions were never taken.
Clearly there is some lack of discernment here.
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There are some strong contenders here.
Kemps Motorcycle Plane must take the two wheel category?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/9448708857/
The road plane of 1934 could take the microcar cup. (is it or isn't it?.............might be more than 600cc (or is it 700cc)...............Not that again please!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrscharroo/8683465428/
The other cars on mrsscharroo are of much interest - coloured B&W
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"I must admit, I fell in love a long time ago with the car that Bob originally posted.
Such style. If money were no object I would love to recreate it."
The same thought crossed my mind Barry. Propably wouldnt be that hard to recreate but I will leave that one to you, no more project cars for me after Bobette!
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more details could follow if required but IT IS A MICROCAR Bob 300cc French 1925
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnNm5P5jr_M
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this one too 1921-1922 French also
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Wonderfull!! Sounds like a two stroke single.
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only info i have - from flikr.com as always . frustratingly short video perhaps it fell over , it looked very unstable to me
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There was a bit more information and pictures in French on the Fondation du Patrimoine website:-
"Fernand Maratuech is a manufacturer-inventor as the first part of the twentieth century there were many. Born in the Lot-et-Garonne in 1894, he developed a passion all his life to the art. Responsible for the power station of Villeneuve-sur-Lot for forty years, he spent his leisure to invent and build.
He thus gave birth, among other things, a sewing machine and a steam sawing machine, but also a boat powered by a torch and a motorcycle gas. However the most interesting device is undoubtedly the car he designed in 1922.
Dreaming of building a plane but do not have the financial means, he created a "plane without wings", which thus became an extraordinary automobile in the most literal sense. His basic idea was to combine the qualities of the one and the other, and the sublime.
The general line of the vehicle is that of a body, its cockpit is similar to that of a cabin Breguet or Spad. The architecture is that of rolling a tricycle with wide lifting pole, so as to stabilize the apparatus in its maximum displacement. Its capacity should be between 250 and 350 cm3, the estimated speed of 80 km / h.
While another manufacturer-inventor Gustave Courau, was designed in 1921 Leylat, car with a propeller on the front of the grille, Fernand Maratuech retained a more conventional propulsion, equipping the vehicle with a mechanical motorcycle BSA. If Leylat was used only a few months, Fernand Maratuech effected for his part more than five thousand kilometers from Villeneuve-sur-Lot, Cahors and Fumel during the 1920s and 1930s, when he was between forty and fifty years he had married Paulette.
Its designer-inventor died, the car was stored for fifty years. In 1979, Paulette Maratuech offered it to the OSV where it is still exposed. The car is still registered 3046 T 3, even if it is invalid (as obsolete by the renumbering of 1950). It has its logbook kept in the archives of the Automobile Club of Southwest. "
http://www.fondation-patrimoine.org/fr/aquitaine-2/tous-les-projets-166/detail-maratuech-13772 (http://www.fondation-patrimoine.org/fr/aquitaine-2/tous-les-projets-166/detail-maratuech-13772)
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i don't think BSA had a pre-war 2 stroke they were ohv or side valve . unless it had an engine change could this be the noise of a 250 side valve ?
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Yep, you're right Richard, it is a side valve.
http://www.lemagauto.fr/Maratuech-1922_a11582.html (http://www.lemagauto.fr/Maratuech-1922_a11582.html)
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To recreate this lovely machine, perhaps a common old Morgan could be chopped-up and used as a base? :D
The front steering gear is similar!