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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Peel replica, Steve Fisk on November 18, 2013, 08:12:01 PM
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My names Steve Fisk I've been building a peel replica for the last few months , I know replicas or fakes are abit of a sore subject in the classic car world but ever since I sat/stood in a real peel p50 at about 8 years old which was in bits in my dad's friends shed I always wanted one and probably like a million other people to , but I'm not a dreamer and will never be lucky enough to own sooooooooo I'm building one , also I'm looking for my dad's old friend who I'm sure is known by rum cars , will my build thread be welcome ? (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0504_zps039c35b0.jpg)
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Well you've posted in the wrong place so I think you will fit right in ;D a welcome from me anyway
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Excellent what a good start !!! Where would be the best place ?
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Unusual ..... Hopefully our guru will move it
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Hi Steve. Long time no see, I don't even know if you will remember me, Bob Purton, I bought your Nobel back in the mid nineties. In fact I blame you for getting me back into microcars! :D
Of course your thread will be welcome, this forum is for all microcars young and old, most are only against replica's when the owners try and pass them off as real. With the transparency you have shown so far there is little danger of that being the case with yourself! Welcome to the forum Steve!
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Hi bob , Im Steve Fisks son also called Steve Fisk haha , I remember the noble well !! Do you still own it ? I will mention you to my dad , cool I will post my pictures and wait for the guru to help me out
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0360_zpse2d642dc.jpg) every one should keep the bottom of a peel p50 in a bedroom , the shell lived in the dinning room for too months mum loved it haha !!
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Well I never! Give my regards to your dad!
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0695_zps6b59e7e6.jpg) after loads of fiberglass work mainly teaching myself how to fiberglass with YouTube videos , the base is connected to the shell , braced the floor with wood for strength and started to build the chassis
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0682_zpsf4a6eb00.jpg) working on the wishbone set up
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0696_zpsf560490a.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0728_zps3f0cbc09.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0697_zps85de763d.jpg) I wanted the engine bolted to chassis in one piece instead of how the original peel set up was , also adding a bit more weight should make it abit more driverable
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0683_zpsfb8daec2.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0684_zps7fd8f5cc.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0685_zpsfc10477c.jpg) having some big issues with aligning the chain and sprockets , but the body fits so feeling like I'm getting some where with it now
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Ah, I often wondered what happened to the Fisk's....
From one builder to another. ;)
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Hahahahahaha I was looking at that article just the other day !! Cheers for posting it you can see where I got my love for these cars !
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;D Soooo, "Son of Fisk", I'm sure we're all itching to know; is that you with the very '90s haircut sat in the Messerschmitt? 8)
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Haha that's my younger bro we call him the prince , I've got my own version of a 90s hair cut in the front left of the scooter car , but since then the family's hair has improved (slightly) because I'm actually a hairdresser
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Hello Steve, as soon as I saw your name I remembered that article, including using a kitchen bowl to get the right shape for the rear windows of the Raleigh trike van. Also I think someone fell on the roof of the Heinkel/Trojan.
There was another Raleigh van at Bromley Pageant of motoring this summer and I mentioned the article to the biker type who owns and restored it.
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He's still using that same kitchen bowl but its now for the haircuts ;D - a variation on the pudding bowl
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Welcome from another Steve sorting Peel parts in their living spaces. :D
My Trident kit resides on its side in the living room, where I can gaze at its underside and ponder different suspension designs during commercials.
I applaud your industriousness, you no doubt put the rest of us to shame by comparison.
Where did you get your body moulds?
I see that you, like many others, are utilizing a lot of steel under the monocoque. Andy Carter says that this is not necessary with his kits.
Is this truly a debatable point, do you consider it some how easier to fabricate, or are you just looking for an excuse to lower your center of gravity?
How much wheel travel are you getting at the front end?
Do the wheels decamber noticably within this range?
Is the rear wheel a swing armless "hard tail"?
What size wheels are you using?
Is it possible for you to fit that disk brake anywhere?
Nice looking steering rack- what is it from?
I suspect a donor quad. Tell us about your power train- does it come with a reverse gear?
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I remember my dad falling from the loft on to the heinkel and the family instantly went to see if the heinkel was ok Haha ! I bet my mums still got the kitchen bowl, hello Steve my mould was the light weight shell that was on eBay just under a year ago it came from Alan evens
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Thank goodness for that wonderfully elastic Hienkel bonnet covering matetial.
Did he bounce very high?
I hope he didn't bend a bonnet stay. :Dg
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Dear Steve the younger, Yes of course your replica Peel will be welcome on the Register we are not against replicas just worried that in years to come they will be passed off as originals by unscrupulous dealers for loads of money. As I see it what better way to try to stop this is to have as many replicas identified as such on the Register. You look to be doing a great job I am sure Chris will be looking to you for an article(s) on the build so watch out! Jean.
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Steven mandell ,,, so the basic idea came from Alan Evens who has built a road legal peel p50 and it went through the msva test after a lot of hard work, he's helped me loads with different ideas about this build , I've never been lucky enough to drive an original peel or a replica so a can't say which way is best , I loved the idea of keeping the chassis in two parts because u can't get anything more simple than a basic peel with the long wish bones couple of springs , small engine running the chain to a sprocket , axel with a couple of bearings driving a wheel ,the peel p50 or trident will easy be strong enough to carry that set up , but I dreamt up an idea where the chassis was in one piece a little bit like the mini comtesse ( I'm after one of them if any one has 1 ) being in one piece the chassis holds the engine up so the body is easier to fit and everything is in one lump , as for the syspension set up i went for a set up so there was minimal movement with no shocks just land rover engine mounts this SHOULD make no bump steer but add a little bit of "give" in the wish bones , but how do I know because I've not driven one before , so the kind of idea is a 3 wheel go kart because go karts don't fall over haha , the steering rack came from America but I'm sure some one in England's selling them to now , the rear is a swing arm which also has a land rover engine mount as syspension but I think this will be a back breaker , the donor is a quad bike and has reverse gear , the front end I've built is exactly the same that will fit your trident but the rear set up that works on the back is completely different
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Hello jean , thanks for you post , who's this Chris that could be interested in an article ?
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Glad that the guru relocated it - great interest . Of course I should have said " Jim'll FISK it " ;)
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Thanks for the info.
So you traded off bump steer for more bump ;D. At least you should be less likely to roll it.
I'm in California, so knowing the source of the steering rack would be quite usefull. May even become enabled to source them for Rumcar members on your side of the pond.
Just happened to be standing next to a Minicomtesse while reading your post- so I lifted its skirt to show the body on chassis view.
Speaking of rollovers, someone should get Big Al to post the utube videos shot in France of the 2 Minicimtesses with bigger rear mounted engines and EXTERNAL roll cages purposefully toppling themselves all over a field based race track.
It is absolutely hilarious, and tempts one to join in on the fun.
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Surely that's what nick posted this week and we have been watching
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0833_zps0c67060f.jpg) the calipers fit the same as they would on a quad bike using the same disc , (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0834_zps86940a84.jpg) road legal tires (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0835_zps567d6ffd.jpg) rear swing arm idea (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0838_zps755cda15.jpg) my shell with the door hanging off ,still plenty of work to do to it
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0837_zps7c4c2b4b.jpg) and meet mason my son (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0840_zps1caf3f2d.jpg)
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Great photo/ answers.
I see what you mean by a "light weight shell"
Thanks!
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Hello jean , thanks for you post , who's this Chris that could be interested in an article ?
Chris Thomas (chris@rumcars.org) editor of RUMCAR NEWS. The only magazine you need if you are interested in microcars! Jean
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Only mentioned on an anecdotal note;
The vast majority of Peel kit cars being built are not bothering to source period correct powerplants, and similarly source up more modern, and readily available hubs, brakes, and steering gear. So unless a builder has malevolent intent, and goes extraordinarily out of his way to source/ duplicate all the original parts- the excellent services of the Registry are not really required in this regard.
Curios to know how many fraudulently represented cars that Rumcar(ers) have spotted. I can only recall a couple of Peels at this moment.
Thanks
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Can I be signed up for the mag please jean ? What's the body shell like that you've got Steven and what plans have you got for it ?
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I have high quality Andy Carter fiberglass, dome and metal and interior packages.
I intend to create an admittedly contorted, but hopefully fully effective double wishbone suspension with a couple of inches of travel.
I am also expecting to experiment with a high powered water cooled engine of approx 150- 200 cc, and 20 -25 h.p.
Probably settle on 6 inch wheels as you have, but can't help but at least intend to try 2 rear wheels about a foot apart, as there is plenty of room back there, and I heard the rumor that Peel Engineering was considering this option way back when.
Tell us about your choosen power plant's characteristics and origins.
Having a reverse gear would be really appreciated.
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Hello everybody and Steve Fisk in particular, anybody can subscribe to RUMCAR NEWS very easily by visiting our main web site www.rumcars.org and going to RUMCAR NEWS from the Home Page,that has at least been brought up to date. There you can either subscribe via PayPal or download a subscription form which can be posted to me with a cheque. Don't forget there is the cheaper option of electronic copies now. Anyone using our Forum and not subscribing to RUMCAR NEWS does not know what they are missing. A 36 page A4 full colour offering, jammed packed full with all things micro, vintage, classic and new. You could even take out a subscription for a friend as a Christmas present that will last the whole year, contact me for details. Jean
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Few more pictures of the build (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0645_zps0fbcb163.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0654_zps0270566d.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0656_zps224118d9.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0657_zps2be4c8d2.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0658_zps0e5298aa.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0659_zpsf620e9b7.jpg)
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0661_zpseece8ad8.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0662_zps0f92a679.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0665_zps0aca292d.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0668_zpse428aae7.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0670_zps88f04581.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0677_zpsb733dcd0.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0678_zps05f5bbd2.jpg)
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Was that a Chinese quad?
How many cc, and hp?
So it was a double wishbone front suspension set up with cable actuated drums?
Did you narrow the front rims, and if so how did you go about it?
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Yeh Chinese quad , I has to be a 49cc for me to get meet the msva requirements but theres so many different types to get , I only used the engine and rear swing arm , my disc brakes and hubs are from a bashan quad , the rims were made
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what short of suspension are you going to use on it?
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Already extensively displayed and explained via pictures and verbage on previous posts in this thread. ::)
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sorry!! ;D :P
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No worries, I've done the same myself ;)
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Made a roll over jig today (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0843_zps06972536.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0844_zpse6e37915.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0845_zps9ec53af0.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0841_zps7423c93f.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0842_zps61a2ba33.jpg)
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not a complaint steve but have you noticed how BIG your pictures are ?every one elses are much smaller and we click on them to enlarge the ones we want - just a thought . i don't know how to post BIG pics ???
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I'm rubbish on computers , I just copy and paste from photobucket I don't know how to make them smaller
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i too am rubbish but whether its from my camera chip, camera fone, scan or most www sourced they all come out the same size on the forum . the only time i get a small one i cannot enlarge is i think when i have no copyright i.e. this one from elvis' 3-wheelers.com
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0850_zpsaae5745a.jpg) found this in rum car news ! Brilliant read and this must be the peel that I stood in years ago because it was Lawrence's car in his shed
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0878_zps8c43ac7c.jpg) few bits I got from Xmas , your not a real man till you own a fiberglass roller
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/d184996807535921f5ec2649949bf1b4_zps010b75cb.jpg) nothing to do with cars but a bloody good picture all my girls from work , staff do was brilliant !!
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Good looking bunch of pale faces in need of some winter sun.
When do you Brits typically manage to get away, and to which places do you usually frequent to ameliorate the situation?
Or do you just double up on vitamin D?
Don't hate me too much for it, but after performing some diagnostic procedures suggested by Alan Hitchcock on my AC Petite's transmission and clutch, I'm off to the Los Angeles Zoo after putting on shorts and a T shirt and some sunblock. They are predicting a unseasonably warm 82 degrees F, and the skies are blue, although we did have some frost warnings at night a couple of weeks ago.
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Been trying to source some more bits , latest is a door latch catch if that's what it's called off a classic mini and it fits , steering column , door latch and handle , screws , bolts , a bundle of electric parts and I can start putting it together (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0879_zps75f4e206.jpg)
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5.34 HEAD LAMP WITH PILOT COMPLETE WITH SHELL & RIM it's a wipac model I'm thinking of buying it but I want a chrome rim , any ideas where I can get one ? (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/172595aaaf61378132c129460ea39296_zps0c05cb00.jpg)
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0881_zpsb2e09cb0.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0883_zps0803adbe.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0882_zps8774e1fc.jpg) had a couple of hours to day so was sanding down the bits of fiberglass that went wrong stupid air bubbles , also checking out how the dash will fit obviously needs cutting to shape , the door surround is going to b a challenge , also a steering wheel that should fit
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Less resin, more squegee/ rollering.
Don't worry, one of the marvels of fiberglass is that it is very forgiving in that you can always sand/ grind down and start over until you get it right.
It supports all angles of learning curve.
Keep up the good start , and you may be vacuum bagging in some professional results before long! :)
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0884_zpsf65e9033.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0885_zpsda8a70f6.jpg) couple of more bits , a mini pedal box and mini steering column , hopefully my steering wheel will fit , pedal box needs cutting and messing about with to fit right
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0887_zps30be354c.jpg) got the bird to take apart an old engine so I can use it as a mock up engine to align the chain and sprockets
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Lucky old you Steve! I wish I had an attractive young assistant in my workshop! ;)
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Well she said to me I can only go and "play cars" if I took her as well , so we left the baby with mum and dad , but apparently playing cars is boring after 27 mins , just seen your email bob I will respond tomorrow cheers
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5.34 HEAD LAMP WITH PILOT COMPLETE WITH SHELL & RIM it's a wipac model I'm thinking of buying it but I want a chrome rim , any ideas where I can get one ?
Hooray, I can answer this now I'm not "stuck" on the Forum.
The original headlight was a Wipac but as far as I remember the shell and chrome rim from a BSA Bantam motorcycle will fit?
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Thanks Rob , does a 5 3/4 bantam light mean that's the size including the rim do you know ?
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0892_zps876b6a82.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0893_zps026178fd.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0894_zps049d9ec7.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0895_zps4b0ba87d.jpg)
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Bolted the chassis up tonight , played around with the idea of a 2cv seat which is abit big at the moment but bit of chopping and it will b fine , couldn't resist a sit in it with the door shut holding the steering wheel , peels are bloody small !!!!
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I think others have used a reliant seat. Whats the yellow thing in your garage?
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0896_zps1f848039.jpg) got the mock up engine in today , the exhaust sits rubbish so need that sorting , I think a couple of days off work is needed to really get some work done on it
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Hi Steve,
Whats stops the engine from overheating?
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It's an air cooled engine I think , to be honest I don't know anything about these engines but it's the same set up as it works in a quad bike , when it's running I will put a cyclinder head temp gauge on it to see what it does , but the answer is , I don't know till I try ......
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What Trident is saying is that the engine is semi enclosed and will there be sufficient air flow around it to keep it cool? Most microcar engines that are enclosed are fan blown with a cowing around them. It looks to me like it may be ok when on the move but I don't know about when not. As you say, there is only one way to find out!
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Oh yeh I see , I will experiment with it to see what it does , it makes sense it will over heat at a stand still , bob that yellow thing is a vw beach buggy by the way
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Does any one know a company who can make chains an odd length ? (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0901_zpscc33edc8.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0905_zps72ff47e4.jpg)(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0904_zps2f4df5c7.jpg)
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http://www.bearingboys.co.uk/Simplex_Chains-1612-c
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Bingo ! Thanks Bob ! They are getting a phone call tomorrow
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0910_zps8a1b62a7.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0913_zps5b7b08f6.jpg)needed to change how the steering was set up , having the ends of the steering box solid didn't work so used a clevis idea see how that goes
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0925_zps1a64059b.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0918_zpsccacfc4b.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0922_zps6e88fb58.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0921_zpse58cd62b.jpg) the welder came out again today as I managed to rack up 47 mins of garage time due to good behaviour by taking my girlfriends sisters lunch in to her at work, game on ! Sorted the steering , cut the seat about and welded it so it fits , steering all works apart from the column mite be a tad to long haha
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0926_zpsa5774def.jpg) view from "drivers side"
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(http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0927_zpsbcf58a52.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0929_zps67f782db.jpg). Got the steering column cut and welded today , do you lot think it sits in the right place ? (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0934_zps9b35c35d.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0935_zpsbd234f34.jpg)
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Also opinion please on where the bracket should go for the steering column underneath the dash to the mini bracket or where the ratchet straps are , like the original ? (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0932_zps9fa93965.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0933_zps4f7d731d.jpg) (http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc458/stevefisk1/IMAG0931_zpsca16ba6d.jpg)
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I'd say stick with the original Peel-height mounting. If you mount to the low position under the dash, It's very likely you'd end up ripping the dash apart after about the fourth corner due to general leverage applied by your own hands during steering and too much column unsupported above that mounting position. Don't forget also you have to insert yourself round the column & wheel when getting in & out the car, and you nearly always have to grab the wheel to ease yourself round. Once again you'll end up pulling a low mount apart for the same reasons as above. Plus a low mount might well interfere with your feet space.
On a tangent, I'm thinking of fitting 1960s disabled driver hand controls to mine so I don't have to twist my size 14s round the pedals...
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At the risk of sounding full of doom, is the steering column not a structural element of the bodyshell, like in a Schmitt. It is mounted rigid, able to rotate within a tube and base. A universal joint is not a rigid mounting, likewise if I am correct the longest distance between the two rigid points will be the strongest.
Sadly if its awkward to get in whilst having structural integrity, it probably means you need a larger car. You might laugh, but if one of these Squeels manages to disintegrate on the road, it will bring interest on the whole lot from 'those who must be obeyed', possibly effecting other class fakery too. I am not against these home concoctions, but look what happened to Tri Tech! It ended up badly. I would recommend you be sure what you are doing. There is a known design for this car that works, deviation from this invites problems, and negates a plea of innocence should the worst happen. An insurer can walk away if the car is not structurally sound, as you have a duty to tell them what they are insuring, and not the other way round :'(. If its to go round the field, then we can all laugh if these hybrid Squeels far apart and bravo ;D.
Can I just add I am annoyed your not making up a modified Meadows Family Three, to be called the Fisky ;D!
Root, you do realize that a disabled modified Peel would count for free tax. MEV is still receiving a free tax disc a week or so before DVLA demand that I should get one with dour consequences. Strange people, or just idiots. Will a MK12 console fit in a Peel with a person? A square inside a square, I will not comment on the driver who will be assuming the Tupperware box shape of driving or have to ride sidesaddle! Square or squaw luvvy :-*?
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Hi Stuart , the hand controls seem a pretty good idea , have you any pictures of your project so I can get some ideas ? Hello big Al, thanks for the comments , your right the universal joint is not a rigid mounting point and shouldn't be used as one , the base will have a bracket joining to the m10 bolts at the bottom of the column aswel as a bracket above so will be apart of the cars strength , the universal joint is not needed in the car but is needed for the msva test the car will go through , as for the "squeel" disintegrating on the road I'm more than confident in my metal fabrication and the strength of the chassis and running gear I've made , I've seen A couple of replica peels now and I've designed it to be stronger than any of them ( saying that, the engine might be crap but that needs testing ), I'm wondering what the known design of the car that works is ?? As insurance is concerned I won't be taking any chances, it will be fully insured and pulled to bits by me and then by the msva man and if I or anyone else has any concerns with the build quality or strength it will be addressed and sorted before it's driven any where
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I would love to build a frisky but no chance of that , what happened to tri tech I can't find any info on it ?
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How about a nice foot operated parking brake?
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I would love to build a frisky but no chance of that , what happened to tri tech I can't find any info on it ?
Without getting in too deep. There were several cars which rolled and there was some rumblings. Then a guy turned one over on a straight bit of the A30 or A303, I forget. The police confiscated the remains and there were serious noises about a case being made against the manufacturer. That is why you cannot find much reference to them on the Internet. This is all rather old history and I do not doubt that the facts vary from the bush network version. But what ever the reason Tri Tech ending and this incident were close together in time, so you can make your own mind up. Pity as the Schmitt was nearly very good. I have had little dealings with the Zetta, other than scrapping dead ones off the road. You cannot judge a kit car by that, though, as it is up to the builder to make a good job of it. I have been told they are a bit heavy due to the Bedford front suspension. Pass.
The known design would be the original one. Easier and cheaper then deviating and needing to go for an inspection, too my mind. We now have the Bamby Peel version, which I think is co opted by Peel Engineering, who do not seem to make their own cars. But I rather lost the thread on all this as Peels are popping up everywhere, allegedly. As a bit of fun the originals are great, but as a car its not really usable. I cannot understand the reason people feel the need to own one, and the lengths they will go to do so. What happens if someone productionises a smaller car? Does everyone rush off to own one of those, because? Its a bit like stamp collecting, printing up a deliberately rare cover.
Clearly the imitation market is with us and is in part fed by the demand for real ones. Fine, and as long as people enjoy what they are doing one cannot really grumble, as most of these are clearly not originals but someones vision of something beyond budget of ownership, or as a source of messing about in a shed. Never prevent shedding!
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the hand controls seem a pretty good idea , have you any pictures of your project so I can get some ideas ?
My set-up's completely standard apart from a two-inch longer steering column, the gap of which can be seen in the photo below. Originally a cock-up in the measuring department but since found to be so much better for getting one's knees under the wheel. I haven't got a set of hand controls yet, but the attached advert gives the general idea. They clamp on the column just below the steering wheel (ideal for my +two inches & stop sniggering at the back!) and depending what set can be found, can be set up to rotate with the wheel, or stay in a fixed position.
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Are Feeny and Johnson still going then Stuart?
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Great idea Stuart- looks like a practical solution that will allow you greater enjoyment of your vehicle, by removing your imposing foot pedals.
But you do realize that if you perform such action, that you will never be able to post notice of so doing on this forum as you will have created an IC, which cannot be gone into here. :-\
So before the proposed transmogrification occurs, a few quick questions: Would this action create the smallest fully enclosed IC?
What top speed would you pick for a P50 with stock suspension geometry, but better shocks and springs if you could choose the most you would feel comfortable with? Any increase preferred if you fitted it with 6 inch wheels?
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Good effort Stuart looks really good , im trying hard not to grill you about the hard work you've done and the bits you've used because replicas can be a sore subject and I realise the forums actually for original cars but I'm really interested , good work ! Im going to try get mine in a few shows this year , nearest one to me is the Enfield show in May , if I'm aloud I would like to take it to a bubble car show if any ones in the know ?
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Ah. That sort of a conversion. Now that would be interesting and probably an achievable and neat option. Had visions of humongous square MK12 control panels and a girt handlebar. There is barely room for a handlebar mustache in P50!
We got a load of document cardboard boxes. There looks like more to come.
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replicas can be a sore subject and I realise the forums actually for original cars but I'm really interested , good work ! Im going to try get mine in a few shows this year , nearest one to me is the Enfield show in May , if I'm aloud I would like to take it to a bubble car show if any ones in the know ?
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I believe to be in the know enough to know that your suspension would be considered "loud" enough to cause a stir of interest. Whether that helps get you in or helps keep you out, would be an issue with your culture/ subculture that I would not dare to speculate on. If you get a qualified answer to this, you will then know whether if is best to reveal or divert attention from your highly overbuilt underengineered suspension chicanery.
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I'm not really sure how to reply to that Steven or whether Ive got the point wrong? Chicanery is abit of an odd word to use as I've been completely honest with every part of the build to see if I can make a little car as safe as possible , I enjoy micro cars and would just like to join a show with people who share the same interest , if my car is loved or hated that would be up to the individual I'm not easily offended , but basically I've bought a body shell and given it ago , succeed or fail I'm proud of my efforts so far .....
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It is my full intention to outdo your chicanery in the development of a unique front suspension for my AC Trident.
I plan on using the wide based stock A arm that functions like a swing arm, as the bottom member of an unequal length double wishbone set up, with sway bar possibilities.
This is being perused to hopefully allow the front wheels to maintain optimal camber angles with the road during different phases of wheel travel.
Using "normal" engineering practice, the pivots for the upper links would have to located substantially higher up, in the interior of the vehicle, and would cause the A arms to crush my thighs upon normal suspension movement, if I was ever dumb enough to enter the meat crusher in the first place.
My product of chicanery will have an even more unlikely appearance than yours, but will hopefully distinguish itself as the most effective front suspension ever put in a Peel, and will, unlike your own creation, be as light as reasonably possible.
Different strokes for different folks. 8)
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I hope you do outdo me as then I won't be the odd one out , I've seen a replica trident with a decent wishbone travel but it did have a single wish bone with a damper on it so different to your plan , when it was at stand still it was impressive to bounce the front end till the wheel went in the arch but on a narrow car with a person in it I could imagine the damper would depress going round a corner and the car flip but what do I know as a hairdresser from Hertfordshire haha
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At the moment wrestling with other macro micro problems.
Like how to get this half axle and sprocket retaining mechanism off of my 1968 Arola, so I can flip it around and reroute the hand lever operated cable to drive chain assembly to give a usefull hand propelled reversing capability to the vehicle.
It comes with a 2 speed 47 cc Saxonette powerplant and the usually disconnected aforementioned hand actuated ratcheting pedal mechanism that allows forward motion. But this is totally useless, as if the engine stops working you'd rather push it then pedal it. However, with the clear polycarbonate doors in place, Flinstoning for a reversing capability is both awkward and dangerous. Whereas the shorter distance required for reversing maneuvers suits itself perfectly for hand cranking.
I don't know why the twin pin holed center to the ratcheting mechanism appears to have partially unscrewed itself recently already, as judicious tapping sideways to my drift does not further undo it. But I'm off to the bicycle shop with my vernier caliper measurement of pin hole to pinhole distance, and (strangely non metric sized) tight fitting 1/8"drift to beg for the privilege of a hoped for special tool for this and the slotted outer disk's engagement, and subsequent separation.
A bit off topic to be sure, but as real as my present reality gets.
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I had often thought of connecting an electric motor to that sprocket for a bit more acceleration when required (Flipper and Supercomtesse).
Battery would recharge during normal use but might need to be a bit higher capacity.
The Flipper has a good reverse by simply turning the wheels by 180deg
The Supercomtesse has a transfer box for reverse.
If you do use the sprocket for reverse, why not use an electric motor rather than hand (foot) levers?
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So a sans permis hybrid then! Funny enough Chris and I were talking about this as we sped down the road in his Honda Insight. After he explained how it work and that it had an electric motor constantly engaged to the end of the crankshaft I mentioned that it was not much different to the dynastart on my Isetta. We discussed the possibility of controlling a dynastart with all the right electronic gubbins to boost an Isetta's power when needed. I even mentioned this on the Isetta forum to a less than enthusiastic response. That forum , set up by the Isetta club of GB but is almost exclusively inhabited by Americans, many of which have the sole purpose of modifying there cars to go faster. David did make one practical observation though and that's that because the dynastart is a brush motor the brushes wouldn't last very long!
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It is my full intention to outdo your chicanery in the development of a unique front suspension for my AC Trident.
I plan on using the wide based stock A arm that functions like a swing arm, as the bottom member of an unequal length double wishbone set up, with sway bar possibilities.
This is being perused to hopefully allow the front wheels to maintain optimal camber angles with the road during different phases of wheel travel.
Using "normal" engineering practice, the pivots for the upper links would have to located substantially higher up, in the interior of the vehicle, and would cause the A arms to crush my thighs upon normal suspension movement, if I was ever dumb enough to enter the meat crusher in the first place.
My product of chicanery will have an even more unlikely appearance than yours, but will hopefully distinguish itself as the most effective front suspension ever put in a Peel, and will, unlike your own creation, be as light as reasonably possible.
Different strokes for different folks. 8)
The problem is partly associated to the tiny wheels. Whatever you use there is only a certain area in which you can keep the wheel upright and in optimum position for grip. The small wheels mean that is a small area of movement and it is hard to see how to get great handling from such a position without resorting to a very hard ride. The other missing item is some sort of roll bar to bring both wheels into a related reaction to cornering and prevent on outside spring being overloaded. This is the fundamental problem with the Trienkel. On hard cornering the single compressing suspension gets over loaded, deforms further and that prepositionally increases the load beyond that the spring can tolerate. In other words there is a speed/load combination beyond which the car is guaranteed to fall over despite it feeling that it will cope on entering a corner. This is bad as many a driver has been fooled into cornering to fast. The Schmitt has rubber and thus the ride is harder and the deformation gets proportionally harder as it is compressed so it gets away with it. Also the tyres tend to let go first, so it skids off speed. If it does tip it is usually possible to collect the situation in the time it takes. The Treinkel, on good rubber, does not, it trips over with very little warning or ability to correct. Cannot speak for an Isetta as they generally are not fast enough to corner that hard ;) .
The track, triangulation, center of gravity and wheel size greatly limit the P50 handling. But then they were not made to race around in. Its a bit like making a Warthog beautiful. It is easier not to start from there. But then home grown cars are all about doing the unusual.
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Thanks for the input Barry.
For anything more than a momentary assist in acceleration, you would need a lot more batteries, and a much larger charging capacity than these vehicles come with. The energy would have to come from somewhere, so you would need a more powerful engine to turn a more resistant dynamo, and burn more gas in the process.
The whole setup would get too heavy, and what you would end up with would be an inefficient hybrid, as in cases like this, not starting from a clean sheet of paper, would detract from the efficacy of your final result.
However, if you only are looking for very occasional momentary boosts in acceleration, you might get by with a lightweight and efficient permanent magnet motor, one big battery, and an a.c. powered charger. In effect a cheater plug in hybrid.
Alternatively, I was very surprised to discover the ease of using the hand pedal on the Arola. For the very limited amount of backing up one should need to do, it would be ideal.
I hope we haven't forced Richard into an "off topic" fit by now. He should be commended for being so well natured about this sort of thing lately. Funny though when he could no longer hold his tongue re the dismal spelling found in the advert in the cars for sale a few days ago. At least were not pushing that button so much.
However- on that note, suitable for another thread. The spell checker on this forum regularly drives ME crazy.
I correctly spell "Villiers", and it switches it to "villagers" when I'm not looking. And on and on, making me look like the fool when I am actually spelling correctly. Jim- Can anything be done about this?
p.s. Now it will only let me write "Villagers" as I just spelled your revered microcar 2 stroke engine manufacturer 3 times correctly to no avail, after it suggested that I meant to spell " Willies". Now I'm about ready to be bound and tied!
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Adding to the off topic spell checker complaint- why wont it let me see the bottom lines of my post, so I can both check to see if it is up to its misquoting/ misspelling shenanigans after I have typed correctly?
I run into the same problem when I want to modify a line near the bottom of my longish posts.
Now that truly is giving me the "Willies".
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The problem is partly associated to the tiny wheels. Whatever you use there is only a certain area in which you can keep the wheel upright and in optimum position for grip. The small wheels mean that is a small area of movement and it is hard to see how to get great handling from such a position without resorting to a very hard ride. The other missing item is some sort of roll bar to bring both wheels into a related reaction to cornering and prevent on outside spring being overloaded. This is the fundamental problem with the Trienkel. On hard cornering the single compressing suspension gets over loaded, deforms further and that prepositionally increases the load beyond that the spring can tolerate. In other words there is a speed/load combination beyond which the car is guaranteed to fall over despite it feeling that it will cope on entering a corner. This is bad as many a driver has been fooled into cornering to fast. The Schmitt has rubber and thus the ride is harder and the deformation gets proportionally harder as it is compressed so it gets away with it. Also the tyres tend to let go first, so it skids off speed. If it does tip it is usually possible to collect the situation in the time it takes. The Treinkel, on good rubber, does not, it trips over with very little warning or ability to correct. Cannot speak for an Isetta as they generally are not fast enough to corner that hard ;) .
The track, triangulation, center of gravity and wheel size greatly limit the P50 handling. But then they were not made to race around in. Its a bit like making a Warthog beautiful. It is easier not to start from there. But then home grown cars are all about doing the unusual.
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Al, I understand that smaller wheels have a smaller contact patch with the road surface, in Peel's case exacerbated by the fact that the tires are rounded in profile to match them to the camber change of the wheel that results from such a swing arm type suspension. I also understand that the body's wheel enclosures are often designed to be quite reduced in size when 5" wheels are used. Indeed the Trident has no well above the front horizontal fender line. The lip of the front wheel wells is flat and on the same level with the tops of the inner fenders. What you see from the side view of the car, is all the fender clearance for wheel travel that you get in this car. So indeed front suspension jounce travel is quite limited.
Also the weight of a driver, or heaven forbid, a driver and a passenger, will outweigh the total weight of the unoccupied vehicle- so that you are going to need a much greater proportion of your vehicles upward jounce travel simply to accommodate the weight of its expected carrying load. That is why many of the smaller wheeled micro cars, such as a relatively larger bodied Nobel with its only 8" wheels look a bit awkward perched atop more than the usually seen amount of tire clearance provided above wheels that are so small as to make the upper fender clearance look that much more vast in proportion to the smaller wheel size.
Curiously, the Nobel shares the self defeating flat and low level inner fender design of the Peel. Were they looking for more interior space? I think that a rounded inner fender would have made a lot more sense and given more space for wheel travel, without making it a significantly harder task to get your feet to slide past the rearward vertical section of the inner wheel well upon entering the car.
All these factors can limit availability of wheel travel range, but I see no reason why the fact that a micro car's small wheels alone, if they are proportionate to the small body of a micro car, cannot be accommodated by a greater amount of space designed into the tops of the wheel wells to negate this effect. The fact that both the Nobel and Peels have chosen instead to go the other way with flat and low and level fender tops seems to be more of the culprit here to me. And I haven't a clue as to why their designers would have chosen to exacerbate the situation by creating them that way, as it does seriously reduce the available range of wheel travel.
I will likely shoot for approximately only about 2 and a half inches of jounce travel for a fully loaded Peel, accompanied by relatively stiff springs, as we have no frost heave, and therefore smoother roads here. I may end up using shocks with adjustable spring height perches that can be quickly selected by carrying the appropriate specialist spanner on board, for when the need to carry a passenger makes itself apparent.
We will se if it needs an antisway bar after that, as I am planning on using slightly lower profile, and more flat treaded tires on 6" wheels, and may even experiment with 2 of them in the rear of the Trident. There is certainly room for this in the original design, a la Isettas in non UK versions. I have heard rumor that Peel engineers them selves at least toyed with the idea.
Would stiffer front springs, and less grippy/ lower pressure inflated tires on the front end of a Hienkel/ Trojan go a long enough way to solving its treacherous handling characteristics?
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As you all have already undoubtedly noticed, Al's and my posts are often relatively lengthy.
When one of us quotes the other the end product is something that at first blush may appear to be a bit of a chore to read through.
This effect would be blunted to a substantial degree if someone could tell me how to get a partially deleted quote to appear in the light blue background that reduces the effort of viewing by way of contrast, and a clearer indication that the material is something that you may have already absorbed.
Thanks :P
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tell me how to get a partially deleted quote to appear in the light blue background
Like this?
From the original posting, click on "quote". Then look at the quoted text: leave in the first square-bracketed stuff about who you are quoting, and the last square-bracketed bit that says it's the end of the post. In between, you'll find the quoted text - just delete any bits of that you don't want to bother repeating.
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Thanks. That should help me clean up future postings. :)
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if i might say much of my viewing of the forum is by mobile during the day and obviously clever as he is Steve Fisks posting of MASSIVE pictures means i can hardly view the topic at all . come on steve you're a bright lad why can't you post pics the same size as everyone else ? have you seen how many pages this topic has taken up ? :)
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Haha sorry Richard , can some one please help me and tell me how to make my pictures smaller so I can make Richards day a little happier ?
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I correctly spell "Villiers", and it switches it to "villagers" when I'm not looking. And on and on, making me look like the fool when I am actually spelling correctly.
I like it. Villiers Rally at the Birmingham YMCA featuring Scootacar, Bond, Gordon, Tourette, Frisky, oh yes and AC(DC) drivers singing your favourite hits. Steven Mandell presents The Village People!
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I am sorry to have to inform you that I am not Macho Man enough to preside over that scene of ultimate gaiety.
Seems like you may have bitten some bad wind lately.
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Don't judge the welding on this steering column support it was tacked and bodge together to see if I got the measurements right , seems to be ok so I will build a better part
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Getting ready for next weeks welding
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Are you using 5" tyres? If so, what are they and from where?
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They are 6" trelleborg tyres Barry , couldn't find any smaller ones
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So I'm still alive after not being online for any updates in ages , my workshops being knocked down for a development of houses , the garage at home can't be used for building cars because the misses gets the hump with the sparks and fibreglass "stinks" apparently , the welder went bang but I was lucky enough it's coming up to my 30th and good old dad has got me a shinny new one, moving in to a workshop in two weeks so I can start again , couple of boring pictures to add but why not, me having my old Mercedes 207d moved which I'm playing with the idea of making it into a workshop just for my peel haha , new welder which is excellent
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couple of boring pictures to add but why not, me having my old Mercedes 207d moved which I'm playing with the idea of making it into a workshop just for my peel haha , new welder which is excellent
AAAGAAAAH, Welder? Gibber, campervan, gibber gibber. Is not even a fake. You need an IC, Sir.
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Hahahaha I don't have a clue what you just said
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Few updates, I've been pretty rubbish at working on the peel for a few weeks , it's been my 30th birthday and my girlfriend asked me what I wanted to do for it so I said " to be left alone in the workshop for a whole weekend with no moaning " and I got away with it !
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I've finished off the top part of the steering bracket , lowered and shaped the seat to fit a person in , put some indicators and tail lights in , window rubbers , door hinges ( although is don't like how they fit ) just trying to make it look half descent for a car show this Sunday
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Would that be the Enfield pageant by any chance? If so we will meet at last.
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Yeh it is , the family will be there to , are you taking a car ?
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No, I just go for the autojumble. I'm going Saturday afternoon if the rain isn't too hard! When are you going?
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I can't do the sat , we will be there Sunday
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Looking at the weather forecast you have picked the best day. I may change my plans.
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I would do the sat but I've got to work , I'm going to be there even if it snows ! I've put so much effort in to this peel I want to show it , hopefully see you there
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I'm surprised you want to show it before you have finished it. Or is it a case of all hands to the pump to get the remaining jobs finishes this week?
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I like seeing the beauty in the raw.
And then later we get to see it completed.
Makes for a more complete appreciation of the process and finished piece in my perception.
I think that if you showed your secret incomplete you would receive similar accolades for your work, and feel encouraged enough that you would just naturally proceed at a faster rate to final glory.
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While you are all getting to know each other at the weekend how would it be if you spent 5minutes showing steve how to put normal size pictures on the forum . I have been blocked up all day with his pics :)
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Haha I'm really sorry again Richard , I've put them up the same as you told me but I must be doing something wrong again , it's not going to be finished or painted for the show and I'm sure a lot of people will point out bits that need doing or bits that are not put together right but that's ok I don't mind , I'm still at work at the moment but as soon as I get home I'm going to try get out of the house straight up to the workshop to get some more done
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steev hello, it's been long since I read and reread the messages! I think I'll need your precious advice! today the bodywork replica of P50 is just arrived today straight from UK ! (better than chirstmas day!)
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Hello Tibo , haha I know exactly how that feels ! I can try help as much as possible but I'm new to this myself just learning as I go , like tonight I was working on the car and just got in , it was a complete waste of time , my plan was to make some mounts for the engine but instead I messed up the measurements , got covered in welding sparks because I was rushing for this show , so basically 4 hours making something that could be only used as a door stop !! You've got a good start because your shell looks finished and ready to fit out , my shell still isn't full weight yet I just prefer metal work rather than fibreglassing , keep me posted on how you get on
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really steve theres no reason to take yours - we've all seen it full size already ;D
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Bloody blackberry uses Haha , this is the best I could manage with the wipac 5 3/4 head light , opinions please , I really wanted a better surround for it
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Oh Steve, it could be your mum's pudding basin again! ;D Is it a case of spoiling the ship for a hapath of tar? I did offer you the correct part six months ago which coincidently I found at the Enfield Pageant. Maybe you will find one on Sunday.
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The light had to be new because it needs to b e marked , didn't even have a jig saw to hand so used a big drill bit and a file
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You can etch a CE mark on an old one ;D
Use the type tested one for VOSA approval then pop the proper one in once it is on the road.
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I guess you could do that. Would you have to swap it back for MOT's or do they not check for those marks?
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Sounds abit geeky of me but I want to do everything by the msva standard , but yeh that would work , the mot doesn't need e marks on anything it's just needed to pass vosa
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As the weather for Saturday looks bad and Sunday is ok I may be seeing you after all at Enfield. It would be nice to see your father again too.
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Who ended up with the Nobel. Might have found keys that fit. Marked Nobel, handy as there have been a few come through. Might be Mr Plant's? Likewise about three sets of Bond Bug keys. Need to get all these loose things together in a list with numbers, keys free. Also some unusual chassis plates and loose paperwork to be moved on too. I will never use them, though they have great potential usage.
All the old pics are ending up in a huge chest and along with various stock sheets only I can decode. I might list up cars that have passed through my hands now we are getting to be near 7 years from trading. Several people are pushing for a history, or even a book, on the life and times of AUA. Yet to decide if that is really possible and how much I can tell before the chances of litigation!
Case in point. Bonhams are selling a Schmitt which notes me as a previous owner. Not sure if that helps or hinders a potential good sale given previous histrionics!
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Completely random al !
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Yes, start a new thread Al.
It could be an interesting one revealing all the cars sold through Al and who to. Also if they still own them or where they ended up.
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And how many people own the same car? ;D ;D ;D
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Well its three threads if you choose to make a memory jog official, followed by how moving in is sorting stuff for the future. Did not think people would be that interested in my rambling, normally not.
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i have logged on searched , found your last remark and ......... no comment :)
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I order a trident shell ages ago only to find Alan Evans was playing games telling fibs why the shell couldn't be delivered , I found out that my girlfriend had been in contact with Alan and arranged it for a surprise on my 30th birthday so this was sitting in my garden when I went out in the morning , good work !
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Now there is a nice surprise.
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Congratulations and Happy Birthday!
Looks like the one in my living room.
Did you get the dome and metal kit also?
Andy did a good job making mine.
Who else is making them?
My birthday is also coming up this week.
If nothing shows up in the next few days, I may not have usual new microcar as an antidote for post birthday blues.
Then again, last birthday I received enough microcars to get me through the next 6 years, so at least I'll never be bored , or likely to ever get caught up getting my cars to run well.
To wit, just rebuilt my new (used) tractor's carburetor and ignition switch, and made an extremely simplistic key for it.
Next, I'm pulling out the FF3's ignition switch, and will hopefully not fall off the steep learning curve that separates this push- pull and twist , forward and reverse rotation energizing switch.
I guess the 2000 Cadillac Seville I bought 2 days ago doesn't count even though it easily outweighs last year's 6 and a half micros.
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Thanks Steven. It wasn't from Andy , it was from Alan Evans it's a full weight shell but modified to take a different chassis similar to what I built for the p50 up front but to use a 50cc moped engine and wheel at the back , no dome to it but the outer shell is an exact copy so the domes would fit but they are about 700 quid , sounds like your very busy !
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Had a really good day at the Enfield show brought plenty of bits for the project , met one of the forum buddies but I'm so rude and forgot his name sooo say hello again please , had loads of comments on the peel completly mixed , best one was " whys that red bit of plastic getting loads of Attension " haha
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Can someone help me , this thread on the swing arm bolt is weird and I cant find a nut to fit it , how do I find out what size and thread a nut and bolt are ? Is there a magic tool I can buy ?
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You can buy thread gauges, they are like a little pen knife with multiple blades that have all the thread profiles cut in them so you can hold then against a bolt or nut and match up the thread. Don't you have any taps though? Its just as easy to match the thread by holding taps up to them. If you are using Modern stuff which I guess you are if its mainly recycled Chinese quad parts it will be metric. You will learn that for each metric bolt there will be three or more thread pitches, say for example M10 will have a standard pitch of 1.5mm but you can have fine which is 1.25 and even 1mm. So a bolt may measure 10mm diameter but a 10mm nut will not fit unless you have the correct pitch thread. Hope this helps.
ps. I think it was Mike Shepherd that you met on Sunday.
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Thanks bob , I've ordered a thread gauge , I don't have any taps , you didn't go to Enfield then ?
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Yes, I did but on Saturday. Sorry to have missed you.
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Bob it worked and I got the bits I needed cheers
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But more advise needed for brake pipes , I don't want to run big pipes that came with the quad bike and actually kind of scale down the set up a normal car , flexy pipe from calliper then connect to a copper pipe which is mounted to the chassis , any ideas ?
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Finished the engine mounts , mocked up 2 old chains I had , seems to run pretty straight , feels like it takes 10 hours of thinking and just 30mins of cutting and welding to actually make a part that works , frustrating !!
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Keep it up though, we're really enjoying reading about it! :)
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Thanks Malcolm , I've been building a peel factory !
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Impressive new factory premises. Top tip from a 1950s motorcycle mag I was reading the other day is to line the walls of a metal shed with cork or sawdust to reduce condensation.
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Cool tip , I'm just going to put a heater in it , because of the amount of welding I do I don't want to catch fire
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P50 over the fence and in the garden ready for next part of the build
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Let's have it the right way around.
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Few things I've been up to , made my motorhome in to a pickup truck and this is now my daily driver , now I can move these little cars around , found a brake disc that should fit with abit of a mod so this is my next job , got my son a little car aswel
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Thanks Malcolm , I've been building a peel factory !
Now the truth is out. The camper dismantlement was a very basic one. Here is the bodyshell being reused. ;D ;D
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Made the bracket for the brake calliper , with the handbrake cable fitted
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Got quite abit done tonight after work , the brake disc was out of line by some monkey so I redrilled it now seems to be good , fitted the engine aligned the chain but it's not perfect yet , the throttle cables through the body, dash board mounted
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Ah ! A bit of lateral thought Steve , have you thought of hiding the camera at a different angle ? ;)
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Well, you have until the 27th to have it moving under its own power. I want a go! ;)
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I can't work the pictures out , I've tryed holding camera different angles and it posts the same way so I don't understand , Bob I'm really giving it ago ,it will be bodged up abit but who cares
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Botch up is permissible on a "replica" one.
Did you learn anything from your scrutinizing Jamie's one last Sunday? I didn't realize it was the first real one you had seen.
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Haha I couldn't scrutinize it , it's perfect in my eyes , but then I loved the moby aswell so perhaps I'm not good at judging cars , yeh first one I've sat in to , I really want to hear it running
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Well maybe we will see it running on the 27th. The Hammond collection isn't famed for having cars that run but as Jammy Dodger want to drive it at the Isle of Man event soon, I think all the stops may be pulled. Sometimes a wonder if the family conspire to not having the cars running to prevent Jamie from charging around the farm in them destroying everything. Just a theory. ;D
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Probably comes under the well known heading of cock up rather than conspiracy bob ;)
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Jammy Dodger could take this up Bray Hill if the Peel isn't ready. ;D
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He could harness that dog to pull him up it!
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Got few bits done tonight but forgot to take many pictures , got carried away with pushing it around the garden , handbrake works even though it's not how I want it to be, seats in and bolted and mocked up a petrol tank , hopefully get it fired up this weekend
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Just about to fire it up and rain starts
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The car runs been drivin it round the garden ! Trying to upload a video but for some reason not working
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Dad helping with the wiring loom
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=__oX-ZTwL8k
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Way hay!! Wheel spins as well!! I can see you will have to learn to unleash the power of the beast with great care. Reverse gear too! Well done.
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Haha Bob I don't know if I can handle the power but it will go down santapod if any ones brave enough to take me on , I've been making a pedal box today because controlling the throttle by hand was a mission
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To get the peel out the garden and over the fence it had to be dismantled again and rebuild , fitted a new petrol tank from an old lawn mower , fits abit nicer than the jerry can that leaked , think this is about as much work as I can get done before Sunday
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I tried to convince Gemma it's a perfect family car
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Steve, the video does not work, I think it is set on "Private"!
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Hmmm, getting cars out of enclosed gardens, a subject close to my heart!
The video does work, I just watched it again.
Have you cut off the protruding side of that rear axle yet? Its like something out of Ben Her! ;D
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fG0y_aB8olg can someone tell me if this video works please
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it does for me though i never tried the other one - great stuff
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Both that one and your previous one work for me, Steve. :)
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Cool cheers , the axle is still looking bit odd at the mo , I will try cut it off tomorrow night , the pedal box throttle sticks abit because it needs a bigger return spring mounted , I will try sort that tomorrow to , what cars are you lot taking to the open day ?
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http://r6---sn-cg07lued.googlevideo.com/videoplayback?id=4de7d17a3a087f9e&itag=18&source=picasa&ip=86.184.246.171&ipbits=0&expire=1408907644&sparams=expire,id,ip,ipbits,itag,source&signature=169E4EA4D27958193FEA5D693785039D08998657.5B4D72420AA8F32C4884CC86798749F964BAE2A9&key=cms1&redirect_counter=1&req_id=dc549c18706fa0b7&cms_redirect=yes&ms=tsu&mt=1406315576&mv=u&mws=yes
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Does this video work , up on two wheels !
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Saw both videos just now, cheers!
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Looks good fun.
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Now, I join the fold of building a P50. Not sure I will be that good at posting pictures though..
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Cool , try and post pictures it's the best way to see how your getting on , I think I'm just abit obsessive with my pictures tho! Good luck with it
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Thanks, I will do so once I get started. Not sure if I will build the P50 or the Trident first though.
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Flexie brake pipes are needed , flexie from calliper to some kind of connector that mounts on the fibreglass shell then to another flexie pipe that connects to the master cylinder , if that makes sense please give me your ideas on parts
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What mods did you have to do to the 2cv seat to make it fit?
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Sit it on a milk crate. Start the engine. Put a light brick on the gas pedal, and hold a hacksaw against the beginning of the unneeded section of your axle.
You will have the offending section lathed off in no time. ;)
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Your always welcome to come and have a look if you like , the cars not up to everyone's standard but I think it's worth seeing , I'm near stansted airport , the seat needed narrowing at the base but staying the same width on top (seat), then I took about 3" out from the straight bit near where it curves and reshaped the curve , lowered the back section by quite bit till it meets the window , welded 4 bolts to the base for fixing it to the car , then gaffer tape ! I cut the axle off for the Hammond open day Steven , you've not said much about your trident in a while mate
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Many thanks, I am in Scotland so it may be photo exchange!
Going to do the P50 first, started it today so should have photos soon
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Steven , you've not said much about your trident in a while mate
That is due to the fact that I've been busy re-rebuilding my Mincomtesse trans/clutch assembly, and then getting its engine running properly.
I had already cleaned and painted the tank, replaced fuel line, cleaned out shut off valve, and rebuilt the carb. So despite having a normal sounding idle- when it balked badly instead of moving forward after putting foot down on accelerator pedal, I could only hope it was points gap and timing. The points turned out to be in good shape, but set 9 thousandths too wide and opening 2mm too early.
I was very relieved to see it move under its own power after the day long trauma of getting to the points and making these adjustments. But I don't know about second gear engagement yet, as my patio, where all the work has been done for the last year is only about 10 feet long.
I plan on moving a few cars around to get it to the open road in a couple of hours when it cools off a little.
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Its Comtesse time as Ian is getting his ex-Cyphus one restored and running too. I believe its to take pride of place in a parade with its doors lodged open due to heat and the oddity in construction and design. At this rate there will be more Comtesse running about than Peels, though I do not know what Island Comtesse might inhabit.
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perhaps The Clangers planet ?
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I naturally assumed they were Trojan owners with all those dustbin lids scattered about, but perhaps your right.
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it is true that forces of natural selection tend to promote dwarfism in island environs.
The pygmy mammoths of Catalina island are a good example.
Interesting to note that these same conditions of isolation from selective pressures of natural selection on the gene pool also tend to foster a delay in extinction of the subvariant of the species.
In the case of the Pygmy mammoths, they lasted on Catalina until only 5000 years ago- about the time when humans were first trying the pyramid thing.
Whereas their full grown brethren are widely accepted to have disappeared approx. twice that long ago every place else.
As a matter of fact their still is a disproportionately high number of microcars observed on the streets of present day Catalina.
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Brake pedal and master cylinder test fitted looks like the spacing should be ok
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This seems to have gone all silent, how is the project doing?
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It's all going well but I've been doing really boring stuff like soldering wires , sanding down fibreglass that I laid wrong , stuff that takes ages but needs doing even I didn't want to bore you all with them pictures haha , how you getting on with yours
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Chassis, rear axle and front suspension all done and now hope to get this test fitted to the body and the engine brackets positioned over the weekend. Seat frame made, steering parts all here ready to be put together however the brackets are all welded up. Been working on a gear change linkage for the car and just ordered all the parts I need to make up a harness. Brake parts here but not even looked at them yet.
Need to workout a speedo drive method and source the parts along with stuff like a handbrake and switch gear.
Slow work and now the frustrating part of making it all fit.
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You really got on with that quick well done ! I've got to a stage that the main bits done but there's so many little bits left to do it's overwhelming , as for the speedo I went for a acewell speedo with a magnetic pick up
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Not really done to much , got half way through cutting and soldering the wiring loom but put it back together for another car show I want to take it to , played around with putting a cowling and gator round the steering parts to tidy things up abit
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Much the same here, got the engine in and have started on the steering now with a bit of harness building going on at the kitchen table.
Do you have any photos of the speedo pick up mounting you formed?
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Sorry mate I haven't done the speedo pickup yet , I'm prob going to mount it on the sprocket or wheel rim but I've not thought about it really , put some windows in and gave it abit of spray paint ready for another car show this Sunday
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I will try that again
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So you are keeping it red? ;D
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Really not sure yet mate , just wanted it looking abit better for a car show , what's the latest on your project ?
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It should be sprayed by the end of the weekend! ;) ;D
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Well done mate your kicking butt with that project ! I sprayed mine out of a can, looks ok from a distance !
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Feel like it's getting somewhere now
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Sorry done it again
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Looks great, I am on the pedal box now. Just the steering wheel to fit and the harness to do and I should be able to take her down the road before starting on the body...
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Cheers , get some pictures up of your project
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Got Gemma involved again
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Couple of pictures from a local car show
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We took the qpod to , peel and qpod got lots of attention driving around the show , about 100 people sat in it for pictures , engine seemed to run perfect and not over heat , at the rum car show it wouldn't start because of a faulty spark plug
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Picture of the exhaust fitted abit better than up the side of the car
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Looks great, where did you source the screen from?
Attached is a pic of my project as of today.
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The screen is just made of plastic to look good , but there's a glass company near me that will do it for around 150 , you got your p50 on it's wheels pretty quick , that looks like an Alan Evans chassis to me , did you build it from his plans or was it a ready made chassis ?
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Lol, got it ready made.
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Got my brake lines today , need to mock up best way of fitting
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Pictures so far
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Still struggling with headlight mounting
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Head light mount was doing my head in again so I went on to make the lower steering column mount , it braces the pedals as well so pretty solid now
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Started making a dash , needed to change the caster angles and suspension mounts But run out of gas
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Photo rotate messing around again sorry
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looking great so far ,, question , if when on the road how much would the road rent be , would it be in the same price range as Reliant ?
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driven at the same angle as the photo's it could qualify as a two wheeler ;D
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Really not sure yet , I guess it depends on its weight , I'm hoping same as a moped but the amount of steel in it who knows
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What did those tiny brake disks come off of, and what is there diameter and manner of attachment to the hub please?
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It's all quad bike , any will do you've just got to get some spacers made up so the tires clear the disc and calliper
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Looks like a petrol tank to me !
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Finished the dash just needs painting
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I got the castor angle wrong to start with so I changed that today , should help with the wobbly wheels at 20mph
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Petrol tank
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Hi Steve. You must be getting near completion now. Good idea to use tube to make a tank, it means less seams to weld although I think I would have silver soldered the ends and the collar. With a snug fitting disc recessed into either end it is easy to get the solder to flow around the joint. Still, I know you like to weld. Looking forward to seeing the finished article next year maybe at jeans open day?
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Hello Bob how you been ? I Didn't even think of silver soldering as never tryed it before , i can see how it would of been a better idea though , it seems for the first time that I can see the end of the project , it should be there with its own number plate , But soon as it's done I will bring it round yours so you can have a drive
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Ooooo! I look forward to that. I can show you the Bobette whilst your here. Keep going!
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Fuel sender ? I've got this sender does any one know how they work , as in is it just an earth wire that goes to the sender then Earth the tank ?
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Fuel gauge reads back to front but it works
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Is it for a negative or positive earth vehicle? What happens when you swap the terminals around?
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It's a neg earth , I tryed swaping the wires around but didn't make any difference , I will just bend the float up the other way
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Try turning your tank upside down! :)
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I think I would have silver soldered the ends and the collar. With a snug fitting disc recessed into either end it is easy to get the solder to flow around the joint.
Indeed, I have had poor luck welding tanks, and have ended up soldering over welds that proved to be porous.
That means that the body work and filler that I had to use/ perform on the tank due to heat induced distortions was a lot of time wasted, as I could have avoided this fate by soldering at the get go.
Have you let your tank sit for a day filled with water yet to test for leaks?
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I will pressure test it like you would with a flat tire , there's so many different ways to do something , the welds all went well so far , The hardest bit is fitting the sender unit that I'm doing at the mo , that might distort
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Well if it leaks through tiny gaps in the welding which is quite common, you could always use a tank liner/sealer. How are you attaching the sender unit?
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Like this Bob
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Had to be on an angle to get full reading
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Looks like it fits
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Speed sensor fitted and working
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Putting me to shame with the speed of the build!
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Hello mate , that was a picture of the speedo sensor pick up , if you want any more pictures of it just say , I was surprised to fit it and just spin the wheel and watch it work on the clock
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Few more bits done , wiper fitted , horn mount , speedo gauge bracket , door catch , got the seat all grinded flat and painted ready for covering , pedals sorted out
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Had to re angle the catch
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Horn bracket , even I know that's over engineered haha
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Pedals
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Gauge bracket
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Wiper , I fitted up the top like other peels but i didn't like the idea of seeing it all the time from the inside so I tryed it like this
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I did exactly the same. Having it right in front of the forehead was not a nice thought!
I hope to go to paint over the next few weeks and then start on the trident..
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What head light did you use ? Is your going on the road ?
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Trying to do the seat covering myself
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Looking good.
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Needs fixing to the wooden base
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Yea, I hope to put mine on the road next year but I will need to get my finger out as I have not been in the garage for the last couple of months.
The headlight came from Shire Bikes and is "Zhen Hua 12V Headlight Lens & Rim suitable for use with Monkey Bike, Dax Motorcycles".
Made up a couple of brackets that allow adjustment for beam height and glassed them into the shell.
One day I will post photos!
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Jack of all trades , master of none
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That will look fine with a little padding.
Talking of jack of all trades, I tried something I havnt done before today, putting in one of those filler strips into a claytonite type windscreen rubber. I Bought the special tool with the little roller on it. Makes it a lot easier. I notice your screen rubber looks like it has one of these filler yet to go in? Or is that the pattern of the profile?
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I've got that same surround rubber as you , what's that tool then it sounds helpful , I've still got to get my glass made up
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Talking of jack off all.... I tried something I havnt done before today,
Cough, splutter, I say, steady on old bean! Mind you, they say variety is the spice of life... 8)
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Hi, Steve
As Bob says, the seat needs more padding. In the small experience I have of this, the foam, at its "resting" size, needs to be quite a bit bigger than the cover into which it goes. Try adding something like a 30-mm-thick sheet of foam, cut to go over the top, and flap down all 4 sides. You'll be surprised at the results.
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I've got that same surround rubber as you , what's that tool then it sounds helpful , I've still got to get my glass made up
I got it on ebay here it is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/111189270956?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2648&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
as you push the diamond shaped wire part through the groove the roller presses the filler into the groove as it opens it up. Its very difficult to fit such a filler strip without the tool. Dont buy one though. Borrow mine.
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Talking of jack off all.... I tried something I havnt done before today,
Cough, splutter, I say, steady on old bean! Mind you, they say variety is the spice of life... 8)
This from a man who joined the Masons over New Year! Registrations, IC's, Authorship, further in depth topics leading to print, that I think are restricted information for the moment. Where is it going to all end. Lord Root of Thundersley. We are not worthy. ;D
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I put it down to all those Carry on films he watched over the holidays. Its a shame he has lowered the tone.
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The Peel Lastterson of Microcars? You know what I mean fellas?
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No idea , but what's new ? :)
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The head light bracket is finished with lens adjusting bolts , funny what you can make with 3 quid exhaust clamps
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Couldn't help myself
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The seat with foam and stapled to the base
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Nice job Steve. Someone finds it comfy anyway!
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I must be getting old. Not only Policemen are looking younger these days, so is Superman! ;D
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looking good to date - best do another , for when production starts the vehicles & excise boys will want one for crash testing 8)
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New exhaust
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Off a cub 90
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Hand brake first attempt
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wow its moved on so much since i last saw it! ;D
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Petrol tank only had 2 pin hole leaks on the filler neck so well happy with that
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Cut the wiper down fits better
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Mated Land Rover light base to the Lucas rear light lense because it was 6v bulb and it needed to be 12volt but it was a waste of time as I found the 12volt bulbs I needed on eBay but what ever it's done now
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More updates , exhaust , throttle cable housing , brake light switch
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Housing
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Painted
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More exhaust
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Brake light switch
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Underneath
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Door seal
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Door seal
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Don't tell the misses ! Can you guess what it's going to be
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A steel plate ;)
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Like father like son! ;)
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A cover for the chain/rear sprocket?
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Yep chain cover
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Great job done all over. Well done.
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Now I'm happy with the seat !
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Handbrake light switch
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Washer bottle
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Bonding the side step in , it doesn't fit and is abit twisted , going to need a lot of messing around and sanding
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Front part nearly done , just needs a skim of filler
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Washer jets , rear door bit moulded in , fuel tap and filter
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Washers! Is that original? MOT hunter!!!! ;D
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Haha the jet looks rubbish I know , I will change it when something better turns up at a show , unless you've got one big al hidden in your treasure ? I'm really trying for the mot this summer , I've got to the stage that all the metal work is done and the boring jobs are left
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I do not know what would be appropriate on a Peel. It either ought to be a simple borrow from a period production item or something obscure like a guppy feeder. I assume original is zilch. I will have a look round.
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Something small and chrome with high angle of spray , please have a look when you get a chance please , cheers
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Aftermarket jets for minis are chromed and adjustable.
http://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/Grilles_Brightwork/Wipers/Jets/GWW810.aspx?160504&ReturnUrl=/product/Classic/MS389.aspx|Back toe.g.
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As per Andy very easy to source I think every classic will now have something very similar , all are adjustable for angle of spray I assume too. You just twist a screwdriver in the slotted end of the nozzle
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That would be the swine I would go for, too.
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Thanks for helping , part ordered
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Got the jet today
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Bonded a couple of rods to feed wires and a washer pipe , core mat on the door and started making the brackets to hold some electrical bits
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Hi there! I have been reading this thread with great interest. If this is your first build then I must take my hat off too you. I would have expected a hair dresser to lean more towards the arts rather than the sciences (just goes to show that pigeon holing types just does not follow). I too like yourself am fascinated by these small cars. I have been into microcars (and owned a few over the years) for some time but the smaller they are the more I am fascinated. I commissioned Alan Evans to build a P50 for me about 6 weeks ago and he is in the third week of its build (it will be a road legal one as I do intend to use it). Real ones are so far out of reach financially even if you could find one so this seams like a good option of owning something vaguely similar that one does not need to feel frightened to drive because of it value and collectability. I would have loved to have gone the route you have taken (self build) but the MSVA (?) always puts me off. You are so close to putting yours through the test. No doubt we shall bump into each other at a show/rally somewhere. Keep up the good work - I am looking forward to reading about your Trident build next. Regards, Paul
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Thanks for the interest Paul , I did speak to Alan last week and we were talking about your peel, I'm taking mine up to see him so he can give me pointers on what bits I've missed for the test , but if they fail it I will just fix what they fail it on and go for a retest , if your near hertfordshire come and have a look, I've been doing a few more bits today , mainly wiring , brake lines fitted, petrol tank filled up and it hasn't leaked yet even the gauge works , fired it up for the first time in months
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Sorry to butt in, this is the P50 I owned in 1976. Best wishes with both of your efforts to have road going vehicles. I had a lot of fun with mine as I'm sure you will with yours. Now to start saving up for one of Alans P50s. ;D
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Hi rob , are you going to be at the open day again this year? Was the original p50 a noisy thing to drive? I was running mine earlier thinking if a 2 stroke might of suited it better than this vibrating 4 stroke noise
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From all the reading I have done on the P50, noisy they are because of the closeness of the engine to the driver and probably the lack of any sound insulation (the latter could be addressed to improve slightly). I have never been inside an original or replica P50 but I am expecting to have to invest in some ear plugs once I have taken delivery of mine).
I perhaps will venture your way to admire your handy work in the flesh once the weather warms up - where in Hertfordshire are you?
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Hi rob , are you going to be at the open day again this year? Was the original p50 a noisy thing to drive? I was running mine earlier thinking if a 2 stroke might of suited it better than this vibrating 4 stroke noise
Hi Steve,
As I haven't driven a car since 2009 I find it difficult to get to Jeans with out a lift.
Will try to get there somehow.
How noisy in a two stroke P50? After 39 years I can't really remember, except I am going deaf in my right ear! The little 49cc engine was always screaming when I drove it, mostly at a top speed of 40mph, (no speedo), so following motorists used to tell me. There was a lot of second gear motoring to get up some of the hills plus 1st to get up a nasty long windy 10% (1 in 10) hill on the Alfriston to Seaford, Sussex country road. I always had the side window open even on cold days as I smoked then and couldn't really see out. Some evenings I used to go out for a drive of 35 miles just for the fun of it, coming back home with pins and needles in my hands through trying to hang on to the steering wheel. Great fun in 1976.
I wonder if Alan would lease me one of his new P50s at a fiver a week? Dream on stupid boy!
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That's nuts Rob! Well you can have ago in mine if you like !
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You should buy that horn on ebay for your trident. It's NOS, but I'm sure at £400 it won't sell.
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No chance Im going to spend less than a 10er and be well happy with it
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First show this Sunday ,pistons in the park if any ones interested, Added a bolt meter today
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I looked that up Steve. Classics and Supercars. I wonder which category they will put a Peel rep into? ;D Either way I wouldn't mind guessing your beastie will steal quite a bit of attention away from those supercars! If I wasnt doing the Scientific instrument fair I would have popped over to offer support. Have a good one.
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I went last year with the peel and people just park any where , no judging just a simple car show for a couple of hours , loads of really nice cars turned up , I parked next to a bloke in a lambo and he got the hump and moved saying don't know why people are interested in abit of plastic haha , actually I've had that comment a few times at shows
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It's a shame that people feel they have to be that way (the reaction makes me think it is envy - not necessarily of the car, but of the attention it demands). I shall definitely be there so will be looking out for you. It really is looking like it is coming together well now - love the bros beach buggy too!!
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Why do most people buy a Lambo, if it is not to get noticed. Then they get upstaged by a cheaper 'low quality' car. This has been one reason Microcars were kept out of car shows so long. They used to steal the show for pounds. Bit more dosh now, but they still do so.
The supercar world is a very false place. Many of them are, frankly, appalling cars. But if your customer base has bad taste, and to much money, what do you expect. Interesting near a supercar owner with taste, and one of the good cars, and your much more likely to get some conversation, as they guy thought about his purchase. Like the Ultima driver who choose to park next to the Norsja. Add the Jag and it was the most popular corner of the car park, each car throwing the other's into contrast.
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Front indicators wired in along with the hazard lights and a number plate light
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Definitely getting there now!! Is that your blue Ape 50 I spot to the side of the P50??
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Yeh it's covered in dust , to many projects on the go
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Looks like there is plenty of space in there regardless of several vehicles living there. What year is the Ape? I'll take some photos of mine over the week end.
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Paul, while you are photographing your Ape take a little more time and send it's details to Alastair so that it can be added to the Register, and of course any other micro you may have. A form can be downloaded from the from the web site (under 'About the Register'). Jean
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http://youtu.be/H4V38587w48
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Think you have lost you car mate!!!!
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Paul, while you are photographing your Ape take a little more time and send it's details to Alastair so that it can be added to the Register, and of course any other micro you may have. A form can be downloaded from the from the web site (under 'About the Register'). Jean
Hi Jean - I do intend on registering all of my micros with yourselves - I am just awaiting delivery of the P50 and I shall register them all in one hit.
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Yes Jean and Alastair will want chassis and engine number , date of manufacture ,past history and previous owners of the vehicles - that's what was required of mine :D
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Been to pick Alan's brains on what's left to do in the build and only a small list so result
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Bet you caused a bit of a stir driving along the A1!!
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looks great, its moved on so fast! ill have to get my one running soon (or one day)! ;D ;)
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Hello mate how's that heinkel doing you've not added any pictures in ages ! I will be at yours on the 10th to help move them cars around , not got much done this week just wired in the rear indicators and number plate light
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looks good, you wouldn't believe it has taken me nearly two months to re wire my land rover and it still docent have any panels on it! but I do have most of the bits i need for the heinkel and i will spray it at the same time as the land rover. It'll be nice to see you again, maybe if we have time we could attempt to start my peel, for the first time since the failure on the isle of man! ;D ;)
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Yeh corse , we can give it ago , I will bring a spare fuel tank with me if I remember , I think you need to bypass that fiberglass tank , did it have a spark ?
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From what i can remember we replaced the coil, plug and ht lead and there was no spark. There was also the tank has been badly eaten by the new fuels! I would be nice to get it up and running again but i wouldn't worry about it to much, i expect there will be plenty of other jobs to do. I promis once it is running again you can have a drive and see how much nicer and safer your one is! ;) I also have one of my friends coming down to help us with the cars so we have a extra pair of hands. ;D
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There's always abit of time to mess around with peels ! A few of us and we will get them cars moved about no problem
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I like your optimism! i don't think it would take much to get it started just a bit of time and some tinkering, its only small! ;D
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Haven't really done much in the last couple of weeks as there's few shows to go to and I want it driving so work has stopped , just put the speedo on and took it for a little spin , seems to work fine
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Nothing to do with cars but what a cake !
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super cool!!
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Back in the game ! Right Im on the final stages of the build so taking it all apart to fix the silly bits , finish of some welding and get this thing through the msva
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Think I've gone overboard with the wiring loom but it's all there just needs a tidy
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Ten years ago I got to play a bit with my then boss's Riva Ariston and on his instructions I climbed upside down under the dash to look at the back side of the dashboard. This photo of a restored Ariston is just a cleaner version of the original. Now that is what I call tidy wiring.
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I would love it to be that good but I just don't have the time , I just want it finished now and move on to the next project
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That wiring looks far too clinical to me. Here is the one I did under the Bobette dash. Does plate of spaghetti come to mind? ;D
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It all looks very neat to me . ;) but it won't ever be complete without a cobweb or two
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Got the body shell off tonight to finish off the welding tomorrow , I'd forgot how much hard work and head aches it was with all the measurements to make this bloody thing
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Be nice to get it all painted
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Then get a secret website and go through it all again for five bob, halfpenny.
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Chassis done and painted
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Had to changed the suspension set up and raise the bottom ball joint
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This is how I look after mason when Gemma's at work
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I bet he will take to meccano quickly! ;)
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Straight to welding
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Opinions please , to white ?
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Why did you white this question after all we have red about your build? ;D
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If he is feeling blue it may resemble something very patriotic.
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Good comments!
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You could YELL OW if the colour goes wrong. ;D
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Either way it would be stunning with a Regal colour scheme (yell-ow and sign written)
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Don't be Reliant on that. ::)
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this thread is Bond-ing together
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I feel the whole Peel subject could do with more zest :) sorry if that grates at all
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Sorry to take over your thread Steve :) Last time!
The anagram of replica is Peil Car ;D
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It's practically a Pelican
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Sorry to take over your thread Steve :) Last time!
The anagram of replica is Peil Car ;D
Or ear clip, car pile, lie crap and so on!
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Colour any better ? Who's got any grey jokes haha
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As this is a P50 I was expecting 50 Shades of Grey but can only see one. ;D
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You can't beat that !! ;)
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Couple more pictures
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Changed the rear chain guard and disc brake
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Had to make a rear bumper for the msva to hide any thing sharp
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Brake lines fitted , steering box tightend up , gators fitted and tracking basically done
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The rubber ends to the rear bumper look like they may be of grand ma's walking frame - guess she is now skating all over the place!!
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Ferrules :)
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Start on the body work , 600 grit sand paper , 6 mates , a load of beer game on
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Still on the body prep before painting , bonded the outside of the two parts of the body together and just loads more sanding
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This is how we get work done with a 2 year old
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Bottom half of the body primed , couple more dodgy bits to fill in then ready for paint
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Bottom half spray came out nice
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Inside painted
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Think that shade of grey is about right!!
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In 1976 I couldn't find the spotted paint that my Peels were painted with inside so I used Dulux grey. In those days the only place I found spotted paint was on the local gent's walls in Eastbourne! ;D
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Could someone post a photo of the genuine (toilet wall) speckled finish. I saw the trident that lawrence House had and I am fairly sure some of the specialist spray cans in Homebase are similar. Or it could be replicated.
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yep, many people have used the cans of Stonefleck for the interior of scootacars.
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I have no idea what alan use on the inside of my P50 (will try to find out) but the inside paint does have a speckled fleck in it.
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I believe you can make your own. Its two differing solvent based paints mixed together, I believe. One rejects the other, leaving flekled specks, if you put the wrong paint in first.
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Ages of sanding and filling finally got it sitting in primer , few more pin holes showed through the primer but it's good enough for me
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EXTERMINATE!!!!!!
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looking great ,
(best tie some rope on for the MOT , so you can retrieve it from the brake rollers ;D )
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New paint on not perfect but I don't want to be worried about using it , I will forget about the door for abit and bolt it all together
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No updates for ages but Ive been painting again , I didn't like the last paint job so I sanded it down and started again , looks 100 times better still couple of issues in it but I wont be sanding it again so I'm happy
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Lovely ! Do you want a commission ?
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Cheers , what do you mean ?
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A commission ? A job ? Just a joke one day I will do my own
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I would help any one out with other parts of a build but painting is is just something I really don't like , how's the work progressing on your cars ?
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Put some stone chip on the inside but only had one can so didn't do much
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Waiting for paint to dry is a pleasure
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looking great Steve , but be warned watching paint drying can become addictive :D
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coming along nicely now!!!
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Small update , head light , horn and petrol tank in
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Got the loom back in with a painted dash , steering column, pedals , indicators and brake lights
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Wing mirrors, engine mount plates, tidy wiring,
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Gear stick rewelded to fit handle
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Couldn't help putting a 12 volt socket in for the long sat nav drives
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Windscreen template , screens being cut tomorrow
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Couldn't help putting a 12 volt socket in for the long sat nav drives
Looking forward to seeing the in car entertainment system!
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I can only wish that fitting a windscreen to my Teilhol would be so straight forward. :-[
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Couldn't help putting a 12 volt socket in for the long sat nav drives
Looking forward to seeing the in car entertainment system!
now , now - the nearest thing we'll get to a 8 track is the thread on the tyre's !
looking good so far , are you settling for a Perspex windscreen ?
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Yeh I have to go for perspex I'm worried about it being to heavey for msva
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Anyone know if a Reliant's windscreen was totally flat?
I just rewatched Jeremy Clarkson's escapades intentionally flipping them and noticed no glass breakages, some vibration of the screen, and indeed it popping out of its frame without shattering- so must be Perspex.
If indeed there is any amount of compound curvature to be found on a stock Reliant's windscreen, this info would be useful to my quest for a Citidine windscreen replacement.
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Steve , the Reliant Robin screen is slightly curve , as is the Bond Mk G , differant size , the 700 Regal rear screen is flat , both van and car , some 21E's or whatever had rear side windows - to make an estate version again flat windows . early Bonds had PX windscreen -prone to scratching with age/wiper blade .
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Does Plasman or anyone else for that matter know if the windscreen in the Reliant that Top Gear tormentously toppled was a compound curve vs. a single plane curved piece?
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That Reliant Robin had a roll cage?
Obviously that was set up, plus there was quite a heavy weight in the drivers seat, which aided that set up of it rolling.
Land Rover have flat screens. From my SVA days with all the kite marks etc, kit car owners were getting a screen made from a larger screen so that the marks were in the glass. Mine is in marked but was offered a certificate, but didn't need it as fitted after SVA.
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It was rather amazingly resilient considering the intentions of the driver.
Double or single curvature required of the plexi windscreen that was used in the filming remains the question.
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Toughened glass screens will happily fall out of a car intact during an accident. My Schmitt one did about 10 feet with narry a mark. But of course that technology has been banned and modern screens are 'structural' (BX might be the first production car to exhibit this). So old way, fit screen in a rubber, later way, glue it in for life, a short one. At 25 years most laminated screens are starting to fail. Not all screens are suitable to be replaced by laminated screens. AS usual one fit codes of construction gdoes not fit all.
As far as I know plastic windscreens are not allowed. Plastic wind deflectors are.
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For msva there is no requirement for a screen so not part of the test (perspex then becomes acceptable) My Bamby P50 passed with perspex.
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Why can I not have a Toughened glass screen, then? God help us if its not E marked. All sounds like a dog with the wrong tail on it. But what else would you expect from the idiots that run things? I am pleased for you, though, as it could have been a problem.
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For me it's a weight saving idea , I want glass but it might tip me over the edge for the test because I went over the top with all the steel and other bits , glass is cheap enough to get cut but that's not the point
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I do not doubt Al's observation that a toughened glass screen can survive an accidental popping out relatively unscathed.
However in the Clarkson video you can see the windshield vibrating excessively between roll overs- so I'm thinking that it must a be a plexi replacement that they Jerry rigged.
Still trying to find out if the Reliant windshield that they replaced with plexi had a 2 plane curvature to any appreciable degree, so I can know if I could get away with same in a 30 m.p.h. Citidine.
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From 1973 to the end of production, all Reliant three-wheeler windscreens were flat. And yes, they were all glass. All the windows in the Top Gear skit were replaced with Perspex.
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I believe the first production car to have a windscreen bonded in was a Lotus. Colin Chapman realised that by bonding the windscreen in it added rigidity to the body, making the glass structural.
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SDI Rover in 1976. TVR Tasmin.
But then again a quote of USA in 1963 on some local thingy. Others quote 1970 Toyota Crown, and USA market Eurocars. No mention of Lotus, but he would have been up with the game. So BX was the best car to have this technology I expect....?
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re - glass screen , would it be possible to get the local glazier to cut the glass to your pattern then get it treated like they do for glass doors ?
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I believe that I have heard that experts can cut and drill hardened flat automotive glass.
But even the experts can not guarantee success on a per try basis.
So best to let them do the trying.
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Yeh they can do what ever you want at a cost , after the test I will go for glass laminate there's a place in Stevenage that will cut it exactly to a template, the Perspex won't last long with the wiper motor I guess
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Should be able to have it cut by waterjet.
Not generally expensive.
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From 1973 to the end of production, all Reliant three-wheeler windscreens were flat. ...
Happened to park next to a G-reg Rialto this morning, so took a look. I think a horizontal line across the screen would be curved, but there was definitely a slight curve to a line up the centre.
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So you are saying that you definitely observed a curve along its shorter axis (vertical as installed), and are suspicious , but not certain of an additional plane of curvature along an axis perpendicular to this.
Was the Reliant model that you observed the same as used in the Top Gear roll overs?
I am being extra cautious here as I don't recall ever noticing Stuart being wrong about anything previously.
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"So you are saying that you definitely observed a curve along its shorter axis (vertical as installed), and are suspicious , but not certain of an additional plane of curvature along an axis perpendicular to this."
Yes ( if I guess correctly what you mean by 'plane of curvature', which sounds mathematically impossible! :o )
"Was the Reliant model that you observed the same as used in the Top Gear roll overs?"
No. Top Gear used a Robin. The screens look identical, to me, but they could well be different.
I am being extra cautious here as I don't recall ever noticing Stuart being wrong about anything previously.
Wow.
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Dave,
Thanks for checking.
"plane of curvature" refers to the plane along which a curvature can be plotted.
Anyone know if the Reliant and Robin used the same windshield?
Stuart rules, unless and until a justifiable fist pops out of his monitor.
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Well, I believe post-'73 Reliant screens to be flat anyway! I can't recall any curvature of note, but going back over the past few quotes has just made me realise how long it is since I properly studied a later Reliant at close quarters, despite us having owned several over the years. In fact I'm now wondering which cars I remember always used to be buzzing around town, are still around town....!
On the same subject, the basic mid-section body structure of all post '73 Reliant three-wheeler's are exactly the same, no matter which model or which year it is. The doors, windscreen, dash, chassis, and seats (to name but some major items) are all completely interchangeable between any 1973-81 Robin, 1981-93 Rialto and 1989-1999 Robin. Moving across to the four-wheelers, the 1975-83 Reliant Kitten windscreen and doors are again totally interchangeable between, Mk 1 & Mk 2 Robin, & Rialto three-wheelers, because again, its 99% the exact same mid-section of vehicle. After 1977, the top brass at Reliant were very blinkered towards any further major development of the three-wheeler, so the later years was really a story of tarting up what they already had as a design, rather than any complete departures like the Robin had been over the Regal in 1973.
I deliberately haven't included the 1999-2002 Mk 3 Robin in the above as apparently there were some surprising detail changes made when they produced that model, which others in the Reliant world are better qualified to spot than me. But I'm almost certain that aforementioned mid-section stayed the same here too....
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(Mk 1/Mk 2 ?) I thought they was 750/850 Robin , Rialto and Rialto 2 , there is no mention of marks in all/any of my sales broucure's ?
(all pre Haynes )
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Ah yes, a word of explanation on that might be needed; Basically its what the Reliant folk on their forums etc, started calling the different Robin's between themselves to work out which basic one they were on about, seeing as the factory never made the distinction.
As such they, regard all original 1973-81 Robin's to be "Mk 1" regardless of it being 750 or 850.
Then all Rialto's are just plain"Rialtos" as they all look basically the same regardless of which ones are red, yellow or black top engines.
The Robin came back in 1989 with its Ford Fiesta headlights & proper hatchback, so that is referred to as the "Mk 2" Robin.
Then in 1999 came another drastic restyle, which is referred to as the "Mk 3" Robin.
Basically, from outward appearance, there has been three distinct phases of the Robin, hence the terms Mk 1, Mk 2 & Mk 3 being used unofficially.
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Just nipping back to the subject of Reliant windscreens, we now have the answer from a proper expert on the matter... ;
Hi Stuart,
Seen a few things on the rum forum (i cant login at the moment) and thought i would clarify that all Robin onwards screens are curved.
Only the Bug had a flat screen,and the Ant. All Robin Rialto Kitten screens have a curve,mainly across the screen around 3-4 inches below the roof.
There are also detail differences between Robin and Rialto chassis,but i cant be bothered to be soo pedantic.
all the best
Dan
So now we know. 8)
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Stuart , thanks for the simple explanation regarding the Reliant marks .
its nice to see the screen in - (anti scratch kit - T cut in the washer bottle !!! )
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Yeh I scratched the paint already just wiping some dust away really annoying so I'm not touching the screen , made a vin plate up , put the washer jet in looks good but will end up being hassle for msva , needed a buddy to help finish off bleeding the brakes , wiper blade on
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Hi Stuart,
Seen a few things on the rum forum (i cant login at the moment) and thought i would clarify that all Robin onwards screens are curved.
Dan]
Dan,
Would that be a single plane curve, or a double plane curve?
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Would that be a single plane curve, or a double plane curve?
This is 'urtin' my 'ead.
If you start with a curved line which stays within one plane, then it stays within one plane (by definition!) and can be said to be a plane curve.
Some curved lines (think of the figure-eight line round a tennis ball) don't. And therefore can't.
But we're not starting with lines, we're starting with windscreens - and they are surfaces. If you intersect a curved surface (or windscreen) with an imaginary plane, then there will be a curved line where they intersect. An infinity of curved lines, in fact, formed from an infinity of possible planes.
But now step up to a windscreen with a double curve: there will be an infinity of intersecting planes for each of the curves.
The arctic (the Earth's surface above the latitude of the arctic circle) is a nice double curve - where do the two planes of its curvature lie?
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Would that be a single plane curve, or a double ("plane"= reason for Dave's headache) curve?
Sorry to be "urtin your ead", but I still want to know if the plexi Reliant front windscreen used in the Top Gear roll overs replaced a single or compound curved stock wind screen.
Thank you for your effort of explanation. I see your points (pun intended).
If you are truly masochistic, you are welcome to read my comments (in CAPITALS) below.
Please do not make the mistake of interpreting the capital letters as yelling. I am just trying to make it easier to separate out from your original commentary.
This is 'urtin' my 'ead.
If you start with a curved line which stays within one plane, then it stays within one plane (by definition!) and can be said to be a plane curve.
Some curved lines (think of the figure-eight line round a tennis ball) don't. And therefore can't.
But we're not starting with lines, we're starting with windscreens - and they are surfaces. If you intersect a curved surface (or windscreen) with an imaginary plane, then there will be a curved line where they intersect. An infinity of curved lines, in fact, formed from an infinity of possible planes.- ONLY TRUE FOR A (windscreen) SURFACE REPRESENTED BY A LINE REPRESENTING A COMPOUND CURVE. A SINGLE CURVED LINE WOULD HAVE TO BE INTERSECTED ALONG THE PLANE OF IT'S CURVE FOR THIS TO BE TRUE, AS OTHER ANGLES OF THE PLANES WOULD RESULT IN JUST 2 POINTS OF INTERSECTION.
But now step up to a windscreen with a double curve: there will be an infinity of intersecting planes for each of the curves.
The arctic (the Earth's surface above the latitude of the arctic circle) is a nice double curve - where do the two planes of its curvature lie?- WITHIN THE INFINITY OF INTERSECTING PLANES THAT YOU MENTION ABOVE.
BUT HOW COULD YOU KNOW THE 3 DIMENSIONAL SHAPE THAT NEEDS TO BE DESCRIBED WITHOUT SPECIFING 2 OF THEM?
WOULDN'T IT BE MOST EASILY DECIPERABLE TO PICK LONG WISE AND CROSSWISE AXIS FOR DESCRIBING THE SHAPE OF A WINDSHIELD?
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>> WOULDN'T IT BE MOST EASILY DECIPHERABLE TO PICK LONGWISE AND CROSSWISE AXIS FOR DESCRIBING THE SHAPE OF A WINDSHIELD? <<
You're assuming, then, that there's the same amount of curvature along the top, as along the bottom?
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I know that we are risking being censored by the monitor by this time.
But no, I am not assuming this.
Please excuse my misspelling of plural of "axis", I should have spelled it correctly as "axes".
Curiously, axes is the only word in English that can be the plural of three noun forms-ax, axe, and axis.
Perhaps I subconsciously didn't wish to appear to infer that I had any axes to grind. ;D
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Imply?
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This has all gone very Pythonesque , I actually feel that it's a shame that Steves topic/ blog is being muddied
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I agree, and will unilaterally act as moderator by suggesting that we terminate this by now silly quest.
My question re. the Relaint windshield's curvature(s?) remains unanswered.
If anyone has further info on it feel free to p.m. me. ;)
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OK.
I believe you can purchase a teflon type treatment that might help keep muck and disperse water off your plastic screen. With muck not sticking there wuill be less need to clean it, thus less chance to scratch it.
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Yes, I still have Rain-ex that I used on my Minicoopers when I lived in Canada 35 years ago.
It got me through winter rain and snow without wipers. The trick with snow was not to heat the wind shield so the snow wouldn't stick.
Driving faster actually made the rain disperse even better, and wipers just wiped off the coating sooner.
Since then, no need as I live in Southern California.
So I could get away with plexi on the Tielhol, if I could manage to fit some in a frame that contained the original compound curved glass unit.
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Another update , bumper , chassis mounting plates made and the start of some kind of dash to cover the wires
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Not sure if you need them like I did on my IVA test, but the bolt heads may need some nut covers?
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Yes mate need all the same stuff really , how's your peel build going ?
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No peel action at my end. Still researching and looking.
I'm still on remote controlled models, whilst waiting for chromers to do bits.
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Fitted a new battery and charging lead so can be left on charge , battery cut off switch , nut covers going on but run out , need abit of carpet for dash and floor
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Trying abit of carpet with out swamping it , carpet on the dash and chrome insert means the screen is sealed in tight
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Sewing machines back out , final big job is getting the seat done
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3 hours to fit that bloody window
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Side window with a cut out to access wing mirror to meet msva standard
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Couple more pictures of today , bumpers in place , rear mud guard out of rubber as I lost the normal one
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Petrol breather pipe thing made
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Just made a chain tension spring , but biggest issue is my sewing machine has broke , half way through edging the carpet
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Boxing done , just need to cut a wooden base out and staple it
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This is going to be the back rest , going to be in 2 parts
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looking great Steve .
glad you got the sewing thing repaired (overdramatized guys - the needle snapped !!! )
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Haha it is quite dramatic when your sewing thing don't work , it was repaired then stopped working again so I brought another singer 66k machine from 1935 , seems to be working okish now
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Right I'm back in the game after having another baby! as everyone's asleep I got to work finishing the seat , not my most adventurous work but a neat seat anyway
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Congratulations on both counts!
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Definitely looking cool 8)
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Ah, God is a damn cunning mechanic. Normally on time and in budget. Makes our efforts look a bit silly. Congratulations.
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Likewise of course Steve well done all round , best wishes to your little lady 🙂
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Well done.
One baby in the house and one in the garage.
Not much sleep i guess.
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All good wishes from everyone at School House Farm on your growing family and superb work on your P50. Jean
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Room for a baby seat above the engine cover?
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Room for a baby seat above the engine cover?
nar' .. stick a handle on and give it as a rattle !
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Well done. I wondered where the updates had gone.
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Cheers everyone, I'm sure it's only the door I have to finish now so getting stuck in with that
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It needed abit of cutting , bending and fibreglassing to make it good , stripping the paint back to get sanding
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Get in contact if there's some work you need doing cheers everyone
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Carpit finished
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Yep - certainly do. Probably more suited to that application.
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Got the door sprayed today , glass of wine helped
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Door is on !
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Must be nearly their now. I assume that's an indicator/repeater on the door?
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Nearly there, had it weighed today for the msva test forms and it weighed in at 160kg
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Have you ever considered blue instead of read? Wouldn't take much :)
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Nearly there, had it weighed today for the msva test forms and it weighed in at 160kg
Was that with you in it?
160 kg. is more than 100 kg. / more than 2 and a half times heavier than an original P50.
Where did all the extra weight come from?
Did you ever wiegh your fabricated steel chassis?
I'm sure that you have ended up with a more robust and likely safer structure, but am curious as to the proportions of weight penalty associated with each of your improvements.
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I don't believe a p50 weighs 56kg as I've lifted jaimes one and mine was lighter but since then I've obviously added a lot more weight , at the Hammond open day I will see if we can weigh jaimes , the 160kg was without me in it and also all plastic Windows , I didn't want to have the same chassis as an original car so I've used more steel and built a solid car , how light did you make your trident chassis ?
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I also don't believe a Peel weighs as light as 56kg; mine certainly isn't! I do wonder if they took the official brochure quoted weight of 130lbs from the prototype, which is much smaller physically, and quoted that for the rest of the P50's production life. Also, the prototype never had an engine fitted, so they would have effectively been weighing an empty shell.
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From an advert picture in Tony's, More Micros book it shows the weight of a P50 as being 130lbs, approx. 59kg. Not very clear but hope you can see it at the bottom of the picture.
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This is interesting, as Stuart suggests, you do wonder if there is a bit of artful specs going on. The suggestion is a Peel weighs the same as an Isetta drive train, or a small man. Seems unlikely. 130 kg sounds more likely. Though statements possibly supplied by Andy Carter suggest 198 lbs being 90 kg, which again sounds more likely with an empty car being weighed for advertising. After all a tank of fuel is going to add 10 kg or thereabouts.
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For what it's worth, Scooter & Three Wheeler said the P50 had a kerb weight of 150lbs (68kg) in it's Feb 64 road test - of course that could just be a typo.
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Wilkepedia quotes 56 kg and 123 lbs.
Does seem very low.
However I just hefted its big brother - the Trident's monoquo chassis that is sitting alongside me on my living room carpet.
Even with dome it feels to be no more than about 35 lbs.
I suppose someone we trust would have to put an original one on bathroom scales to settle the issue. ::)
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Or the kitchen scales perhaps 😀
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But not the Prunella.
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All finished to the best of my knowledge! Off to msva this Monday !
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Is the vehicle equivalent of a Bar MitSVA?
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So Sunday night getting the car loaded up for the 3 hour journey and I put petrol in the truck rather than diesel happy days !
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Every thing was checked took just over an hour to go through, it all worked perfectly and I was given a pass !!! Filled out the registration forms and got it insured tonight so that's the next hurdle
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Well done. How come it only takes an hour?
My locost (replica caterham 7) took five hours.
Where did you go for the test?
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It's a completely different test from a car , you went through iva this is an msva for a motorcycle
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Fully road legal tax and insured , driven around local and taking it to work tomorrow, I can describe it as insane, drives straight, stops well , suspension got more than enough give to it , I think springs would be to much , needs gearing so it doesn't Rev as much but that's it just tinkering now , mission over
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How much for a full tank?
Does it not need a front plate?
Shame you can not put a smaller legal one on the rear.
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Bout 7 quid , it's classed as a moped so doesn't need a front plate , it can have a motorbike number plate on the back but I got that one done quick as I didn't want to wait
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Ah hopefully the trident will be the same, by the time I get round to mine.
Not sure how far £7 gets you, but my green two seater does £12-15 per tank.
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It runs all day on an egg cup of fuel , it takes just over a standard Jerry can , that's the biggest tank you would want in one
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looking good , and nice to see it on the road , however careful with the jerry can size it could end up bigger than the Peel ...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwit1c6dwYnNAhVJDMAKHfKdC_MQFghAMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FJerrycan&usg=AFQjCNHDHyyumiNE7WUtEp6B4HiI8Acg-w
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Not sign writing it in the name of your company?
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Yeh it will go on it , some one offered to buy it today for the grand total of £2100
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The company or the car 😀
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I will do a deal on both !
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Your kidding?
I'm guess it owes you in excess of £3k?
Though did you see the one on the bay, that they put down as a racer?
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It only cost just over 2 grand , it's been around for ages that one , Google peel p50 replica and it's the one in someone's house with the telly one
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-2104837/Peel-P50-Driving-shows-confidence-sexual-powers.html This is the one , don't know where the id of it went , strange how the company that built it didn't know won't the motor was
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Gone shopping
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Hope the shopping list is not too big!!
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Great job , I am sure any microcar is welcome here keep up the good work