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General Category => RUMCar Mart => Topic started by: just willam on December 17, 2013, 09:52:19 PM
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Hello
I am restoring a Lambretta Willam :D and have just stripped the back axel to discoverer I need two drive shafts as with the power of a 125cc engine they are about to break (someone must of been cruel at some point) and the pinion has 3 damaged teeth can anyone help or know where I can get the parts or a complete back axel or may be another car,
the car I have is a saloon
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Welcome Just. :D Where are you based?
I have a Lawil and a few contributors have Willams so there should be some help available somewhere amongst us.
Spares in England are going to be thin on the ground.
My Lawil is stored a long way from my base so I can't check to see what you are talking about - any pictures?
I don't have any spares. I have been told that many parts are shared with Fiat 500 but I doubt the drive shafts are the same as the Fiat is rear engine.
Lets hope there is some knowledge on the forum and that perhaps our French friends can help.
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Sorry cannot help with anything other than painting tips. Your Willam must be painted GINGER or VIOLET - if not I will thkweem and thkweem and thkweem
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Thankyou any help will be appricaited ;D I am based in west sussex
reading through my post its two Half Shafts I need 3 of the 4 ends are nearly twisted off and pinion
the car these are for is a Blue 125cc saloon
but i also have a brown/sand 125cc van (this one is registered and on the road)
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I thought it must be you Just ;D
Brian Page from Classic Assessments introduced us.
Good luck with your Willams.
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Sorry despite your pseudonym your obviously not a fan of Just William
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Hi
Its got Lambretta wheels so perhaps the shafts are off a Lambretta?
Mike
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I was under the impression they were Fiat 500 wheels??
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H Bob
Don't confuse things - why fiat are 12" wheels and the size on tyres on the willam are 400 by 10 - The willam used a lot of Fiat parts like the headlamps the repeaters on the side steeering rack and steering wheel - but they also used a lot of Lambertta parts like the engine on the 125 cc car.
Mike
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Well you should know Mike as you have owned enough of them over the years but I have never seen a rim like that on a Lambretta unless they made wheels for things other than scooters. Quite conceivable.
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Hello
Here's some pictures of the half shafts they are 21 inches long
the wheel talk is intresting as the spare wheel is missing but if i can't sort the half shaft issue I will not be driving it so will not need a spare
How can a 125 cc engine do this damage to half shafts I would not think it had the power and would stall
Peter
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damage to crown wheel end
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Hi Peter. Has something seized to cause this damage? Out of interest is your engine marked BSB? Thanks.
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Probably BCB Bob.
It will have a Lambretta type Delorto SH Carb but I dont think the engine is Lambretta. Isn't BCB a Ducati engine?
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If the cause of failure turns out to be the axles themselves, I would bring their replacements to a good metal treating shop for analysis and heat treating as well as anealing to the most ideal specs.
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Hi Barry
The smaller engine cars were Lamberatta - I have had two of them - the larger engine was a twin cylinder as you described.
Mike
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Just translated this from wiki.....................
"The first model, designed by the Italian coachbuilder Scattolini and equipped with the same engine 125 cm3 Innocenti Lambretta , was born on the initiative of the Italian entrepreneur Carlo Lavezzari and was presented as a prototype at the Paris Motor Show 1966 which aroused the interest French entrepreneur Henri Willame , Director of Lambretta France who commissioned the production constituting Lavezzari now Lawil , an acronym of the names of the two partners of the firm.
The small car began to be marketed in Italy since 1971 under the name of Lawil Varzina (named after the town of Varzi ) undergoing profound changes to the mechanics , motor, originally Lambretta 125cc was replaced by a BCB 250 cc , also the wheels replaced the previous 10-inch by 8 .
At the time, according to Italian law the so-called microcars could not own more than three wheels so the Varzina , with four wheels , was the smallest car for sale in Italy [1] .
The same car was marketed in France, where he was considered rather a quadricycle , as Willam Farmer and imported the following year (1972) in England by the coachbuilder Crayford .
The sizes were very small : the length of the prototype did not exceed 1.78 m . with room for two passengers and with the mechanics of Lambretta engines and two-stroke single-cylinder 125 cc and 175 cc , then the car was lengthened by 27 cm in 1969 and in 1980 , shortly before the cessation of production of an additional 20 cm ."
I can only conclude that they also used a 125 BCB as well or that my car had a 250 single BCB because it was definitely marked BCB and definitely a single cylinder. Strange!
Also interesting that they changed the wheels at some time but I didn't really understand that bit.
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Hello
Nothing has seized to cause the damage it could it of been caused by a previous owner thrashing the engine and dropping the clutch to try and do wheelies ? or its a faulty part that has not been hardened (in which case I will have to check postman pat (the van) out) and Steve would be on the right track
I will check what make the engine it is tomorrow but i seem to remember being told postman pats engine was a BCB and postman pats wife has the same engine and the spare engine i have is also the same all the engine electrics are Ducati
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Much more detail from Denis
http://www.microcarfan.com/index.php/marques/74-willam
My browser translates this automatically.
8" wheels on early cars.
My 250cc twin engine is almost identical to the 125cc single but just has an extra cylinder on the front. (simplified ;D)
Chassis photo is from a 125cc (Courtesy Martin Kubele)- earlier than my Lawil 1979 ish
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Ahh, that sheds some light on the engine that was fitted in my old car. From 1971 a BCB 125 plus a BCB 250. I'm glad I'm not going mad!
"From 1971, the City is sold in Italy , on the occasion of profound changes occur :
The frame , in so far tube of circular section, is now rectangualire section .
The front comes from the FIAT 500.
The engine is now a BCB vertical cylinder ( the above was horizontal) . Proposed 125cm3 for France , the Italian version will be entitled to a 250cm3 . These are actually two 125 engines , which provide interesting performance coupled with a pretty phenomenal but consumption!
The gearbox is also amended and adopted the European grid , so that the original thanks to an inverter that the reverse was possible. Has anyone ever tried to run fourth in reverse with City? Tip: abstain .
8 inch wheels are replaced by 10 inches. As you can see the change is radical yet practically imperceptible because the body has not been lifted : left photo .
The most visible change will take place in 1980, pictured right .
The City grows to twenty centimeters in order to have a real trunk . She finds this occasion the quarter windows of its beginnings and cutting wheel arches front wings is changed (not the back !) : O (
The BCB 125cm3 engine is replaced by a Lawil of the same capacity"
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If the early cars from before 1970 (ish) had Lambretta engines, does anyone have a photo of the set-up?
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If the cause of failure turns out to be the axles themselves, I would bring their replacements to a good metal treating shop for analysis and heat treating as well as anealing to the most ideal specs.
Seconded. It looks to me like either exceptional abuse, or most likely metal not sufficiently hardened/stress relieved.
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Hello
Heres some pictures of the cars engine and gearbox yes it has a delorto carb
Is the rear axel the same as on the Lambro?
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I recognise that engine as a BCB like the Lawil.
I am not an expert on Lambros but I thought they has a more traditional engine layout.
I picked up a couple of photos of a 1959 Lambro.
After 1959 they may have fitted a newer style engine - Skootashaun will know.
The cc increased somewhat from 125cc (if they ever were 125cc)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Rare-1959-Lambretta-Lambro-FDC-150-/320728325873?nma=true&si=jLso9A8gBgAFSbe36bpT1I%252Ba%252FnM%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
http://www.ilambretta.com/lambrettascooters/lambro.html
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=lambretta+lambro+engine&rls=com.microsoft:en-GB:%7Breferrer:source?%7D&rlz=1I7GGIC_en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fyu3UravDoO47AbjxYDYCQ&ved=0CFAQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=945
http://www.lambretta.net/lambro/lambro-Pages/Image13.htm
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Looks like the axel is not the same as on the Lawil the diff is in the center making both half shafts the same length it looks offset on the lambro in your pic
It was Skootashaun I brough the Lawil van off last year
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Hi,
You shouldn't have mentioned me.
That was a thread killer :-\
Engine and axle in the later ones were not Lambro.
I know the earlier engines were Lambro, as thats what I was hoping when I bought Pat.
I had the idea of a Mugello transplant as my preferred choice.
Slightly off subject and for Barry:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/lambroman/05-03-09_0946.jpg) (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/lambroman/media/05-03-09_0946.jpg.html)
I helped do a conservative resto on this a few years ago, and it lived in my local Lambretta museum,
And for you as a memory blast:
(http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/lambroman/karlslake2025.jpg) (http://s155.photobucket.com/user/lambroman/media/karlslake2025.jpg.html)
I am led to believe this is Jo in her earlier advertising days for her dad Mike.
Stunning 8)
As for the Willam, there is a French site 'Lebencoin' or something like that that does throw up spare cars etc quite cheap.
Shaun.
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When I was 17 / 18 I did some building work for Mike (Howard) Karslake at his house in Benfleet with my Bricky friend, Tony.
I was already involved with Lambrettas (Li150 Series III) and Mike was running the Lambretta Preservation Society so we got taliking and one thing led to another and some building work. I kept in touch with Mike and his son Paul for a few years. At the house Jo (Howard) must have spilit up with her boyfriend in 1976 (too early for Ronnie Wood ? but it was said at that time that she was seeing one of the Stones) and was staying with her Dad. Stunning is dead right - very nice getting a cup of tea from Jo when we were 18. I remember some big rows in the house when the boyfriend came round but we never saw him - Ronnie???
Jo did other Publicity shots for Lambretta but I haven't seen any for a long time.
Off topic:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2283333/How-Ronnie-destroyed-marriage-After-35-years-Jo-Wood-tells-definitive--explosive--story.html
That's not Jo Howard on the back of my scooter, it's my Mum!
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Hello
Here's a picture of the damaged teeth on the pinion
There is a spares van leboncoin but it comes with another van so two
1200 euros do I need two more? ::)