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General Category => RUMCar Mart => Topic started by: richard on April 02, 2014, 07:01:52 PM
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no not one of THOSE lep lights ;) i have just bought one of these on ebay , for the Gordon , and am looking for another . PLEASE anyone ?
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now this is why i will never make money on buying and selling ! entirely coincidentally i have seen and bought 7 ! more lenses that came up on ebay at the same time , different seller . i need a pair and a spare , another Gordon owner i know needs at least one lens . I now have 4 extras !! not very business like . One day Gordons may be restored to a high standard - you never know :D so i have 4 to shift . i wonder are they fitted to anything else , i rather doubt it as more an aftermarket job i think . - just thought ! They would look great on a 50's /60's sidecar !
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and no Bob i don't mind being the only one interested - i am just trying to educate you all :D i have been looking for these , on and off , for 15 years - the Gordon spares scheme didn't have any in stock - THEY DO NOW ! ;D
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Was that addressed to Rob or Bob as you call us both Bob? Seeking of part for unusual microcars is right up my alley!
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well Bob i do admit to making the OCCASIONAL mistake you will i hope forgive me . i do hope Rob doesn't mind but for many many years i knew him as BOB see copy signatures from when we were liasing on the Gordon restoration ( hope you don't mind Rob :) )
You Bob P have often commented on my nerdy back lights issues , probably quite rightly :)
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Cor, those signatures will be worth a fortune in years to come. ;D
I've just realised what those lights were for. In days of yore they were fitted on the off side of the car when parked up over night on the road. The car had to be parked the 'right way round' in the flow of the traffic with a light on all night. You could also get ones that clipped over the offside door glass. I had one on my Austin A30. The police would soon knock on your door if you weren't lit up. Now cars are parked all over the road and no one bothers.
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and in case any youngster wonders what the daft old buggers talking about - he's talking of these - and i appear to be the one of the only people who always parks at night the correct , and legal , way :)
in the case of Gordons , and motorcycle sidecars , they were fixtures rather than a nightime clip on
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Out of curiosity where does the name lep light come from? Is it initials for something or a manufacturer's name. But more importantly should my example have one? If it should I will be your first paying customer at the Gordon Spares Department please. Jean
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L E PERRY I believe Jean they made the wiper motors in Gordons, Scootacars , Peels and some Bonds . The Headlamps for Gordons and Bond C's and D's .Possibly the backlights for Bond A's and B's etc. and general after market accessories I think .
Jean your Bond still needs wiring to be made up as well as correct headlamps , backlights and other items - glad to know you had the seats made recently from my unused set I sent down to you . I spend ages , years indeed finding the correct bits and pieces and some spares are accumulating but i still have no spare sidelamp holders , only the lenses, when i get some hopefully at Beaulieu this year i will let you know - but there will be a price to pay unfortunately .
p.s. i believe i may have full or part sets of Gordon back lights , which you need , but all this depends on whether you feel the need to have things correct and complete or " near enough " the latter would undoubtably be cheaper - seek advice elsewhere I think ;)
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My GORDON (I don't have a Bond!) I know needs amongst other things a wiring loom and front lights. I suppose I should be purist after all Rob Dobie's hard work, on the other hand with so many cars to lick in to shape I am not sure I can afford to be, but I am willing to take advice on this. I hope one day you will be able drop in and see us when you are down South sometime. Jean
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I am looking forward to it, unfortunately you are so far away . When is the next open day ? Every day I see items for sale for the GORDON ( that I also needed) but its not my problem :) apart from previously mentioned items there are - rectifier, floor dip switch ,horn, air filter, stop lamp switch , internal /external mirrors , battery etc. Etc. Etc
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Where are the sidelights fitted on a Gordon? I thought they were in the headlight bowl
Isn't Le Perry a pear wine made in France?
and I think L E PHANT makes bellows and trumpets. ;D
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The car had to be parked the 'right way round' in the flow of the traffic with a light on all night.
Now cars are parked all over the road and no one bothers.
They went and changed the rules many years ago, just to catch you out:
You MUST NOT park on a road at night facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space.
All vehicles MUST display parking lights when parked on a road or a lay-by on a road with a speed limit greater than 30 mph (48 km/h).
Though you would be entitled to complain of a lax application of the description "recognised parking space".
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i thought perhaps something must have changed perhaps as our car/ motorcycle lights and reflectors are so much better nowadays - thanks .
Gordon sidelights , well on Nick Taylors they are down at the front of the bonnet on Gordon Fitzgeralds and " dorset Gordon " they are in the screen pillars and indeed as mine was when owned by The Surrey Microcar Collection then painted red .
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Richard, our Open Day is Sunday 27th July this year. Once you are at Beaulieu you are not that far away from us! Jean
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yes but several months away jean !! :D i am at Beaulieu in May and September but not July !!
Beaulieu to us working men in t'North involves working till 5 ish on a Thursday , getting up 4ish Friday morning , setting off on a 5 hour drve to Beaulieu working on Mikes stall all day Friday,Saturday and Sunday and then leaving at 6- 6-30pm for the return journey . work the next morning 6.15 alarm if not earlier .
there is no way i am ever going to manage a trip to yours anytime i am at Beaulieu - it's a gruelling weekend - but yes great fun
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There was me thinking microcars were a hobby, not something to line your pockets. Where did I go wrong? ;D
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By spotting them as a hobby before everyone else, Rob.
Gordon parts, or any of these odder light units/spares, do not need to be expensive. They become so if known to be fitted to a rare, or desirable, car. Otherwise you are paying the surcharge of a few previous owners of the bits who had the knowledge, or sense, that they were good to keep. Sadly that can really only be short circuited by finding the parts directly from fresh sources. That is what I used to enjoy doing. If you make a pastime out of doing that then it becomes clear you have to sell to make space for new stuff you want more than the old. Its clear to see how many a jumbler fell into trade. Once trade then your fiscal compass does alter a little.
I am not sure where we are now but there seems to be more people looking for fewer parts. The thing I do not understand is the demand for certain parts where the stored sets of parts must be many times the number of surviving cars to place them on. Most of these 'enthusiast' owners who have these extra parts tucked away are vehement that they are not trading, yet will hold out for 'the going rate' never having owned a car the units should be on. All rather strange really, unless they are trading in their spare time. Those campervans do cost a lot of money.
I find it interesting that the French are pretty secretive about their autojumbles. With good reason, or I think the vultures would descend and buy up all the shiny fridge bits and the price of what was common will become high, driving the whole market up beyond that comfort zone a lot of folk have where they potter with cars. This certainly happened in Germany, I was part of it, where you could find maybe 20 foreign buyers with up to £1,000s to invest in parts. It set me up in my chosen brands of cars and looking back I wish I had spent and bought more. No good news to newbies coming in now though. Germanys overstock of Microparts is pretty much at an end. Jumble prices are often at a level were you must need the part, if you can find it.
Having had those easier days, I cannot be bothered with Beaulieu now. Not been to Mannhiem for half a decade. I am pleased that folk still enjoy the ramble through other peoples cast offs but until I get into something I need parts for I am not motivated to put the sort of effort Richard does to go. And it is the way to do it, I am afraid. I bet even then Richard struggles to see everything on offer in September.
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By spotting them as a hobby before everyone else, Rob.
True Al. Me being simple in the mind never thought that folks would buy the rusty stuff in boxes I saw at my only Beaulieu autojumble trip in 1972-3 but then I did have a raging toothache at the time. My mate bought an Austin 7 special body and we tied it on the top of my old Ford Zodiac to get it home. I just brought back my dried up sandwiches.
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I quite understand Richard, but you are very welcome to drop in any time, we even ave a campsite!
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Thanks Jean spoken like a lady :D
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Now these are the " OTHER " LEP lights . Goodness only knows what Rob has to say about this then ;)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-pair-of-Scootacar-Mk1-LEP-rear-light-units-/151273051759?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item233893966f#ht_104wt_1275
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They're lights. To follow, views of a fan and a big end or a plate of liver. Help, I've lost the will to live. CLUNK.
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Well Rob they sold at the asking price of 150 GBP . If you had a great restoration just missing correct rear lights I reckon you would pay that - albeit grudgingly :)
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Cor! That was hard work, just climbed out of my tomb.
I have never had a great restoration and have never paid for anything grudgingly. Why pay stupid prices to get your vehicle "correct" when a substitute will suffice in getting the vehicle legal for the road, that is if the said vehicle is ever driven on the road and not hidden away in "a collection" never to be seen by others?
I remember years ago some "know-all" at a vintage gathering looking at my mates Austin seven special that he had just made and telling all and sundry "That's not correct, look all the slots in the screws aren't in line! and it should have a hood" Oh, the rear lights came from a Ford Pop. But it was on the road, all legal.
It's only in the last 30-40 years or so that every thing should be as they came out the factory, all highly sprayed in their shiny synthetic coatings ?!?!?!?!
AAAAAAAH! Help, I've fallen back in my tomb. Left the flipping flap door open. OH! my head. Nurse, "I need a massage"
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Good, nurse!
Did you know what they fitted Richard? Helps pay for Beaulieu, assuming that is where they came from.
Ah, its the value and worth argument. Once things are collectible then the urge to be original becomes overwhelming. It enhances the value. However the worth of the vehicle as a vehicle reduces really. As to knobs who pontificate about specials, its a special 'innit? Its whatever it is. The only real criticism might be parts not from the approx date of the whole, but even that is hard to make stick. My trials car was a Ford based effort, but really it can be anything I want it to be. It has no great value, but plenty of worth, as it will be cheap fun. Probably worth more than a Messerschmitt to drive but maybe £2,500 tops, if someone fancies it on the day.
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No idea al but I wish I had found them ! Just a thought al you didn't think it was me selling - it wasn't anything to do with me
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P50 of this Forum rings a bell. Ding Dong. ;D
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No idea al but I wish I had found them ! Just a thought al you didn't think it was me selling - it wasn't anything to do with me
Oh, I was thinking so and you had had a tickle. Disappointment.
I think I have seen something similar fitted to the rear of a Scootacar Mk1 in extremis