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General Category => RUMCar Mart => Topic started by: messyman on June 22, 2014, 01:04:54 PM
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hi there im new to rums cars forum I have a meadows frisky family three body shell bought off ebay and I just bought a 9e Villiers engine off ebay through Richard Merseyside but im after buying or borrowing a frisky chassis to either use or to copy ...iv never let a car go to scrap so I have to build them to either use or to put in mikes bubblecar museum ...
if theres any help out there that's brilliant
I do have spares for Messerschmitt and isettas for sale
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hi my friend and welcome i hope the engine is ok ;) sorry can't help with a chassis as well though
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hi yes engine looks fine and it should be similar type used in the frisky
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heres what she looks like at the min so help will be welcomed
(http://i1372.photobucket.com/albums/ag341/messymanvr6/originalbody2_zps20189b7f.jpg) (http://s1372.photobucket.com/user/messymanvr6/media/originalbody2_zps20189b7f.jpg.html)
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lovely project - have fun
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Welcome to the clan. I do hope you have made contact with Mr.Frisky himself (John Meadows) He runs the Frisky Register, writes each quarter in RUMCAR NEWS, has a fantastic web site and is a member of this Forum in his own name. Any information you need about Frisky's should be addressed to him, he has most of the answers, if not all.. Good luck with your project, we should love to have it on the Register of Unusual Microcars (that is what RUM stands for if you did not know) and see it when it is on the road. Jean
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hi there yes ive emailed and spoken to john meadows ad hes given me a few leads to help put the frisky back together but I need to widen the search to get the feelers out many thanks thou from messyman
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Frisky Chassis is long overdue as there seem to be about 20 bodies knocking about without one, thanks to stuff liberated from behind the old premises and a few restorations needing one etc.
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lol theres gotta be 1 about to copy
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are I remember nick poll bought an engine off me for a frisky
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Helo, Yes I got the remains of a correct type motor from you. Grant very kindly donated the necessary rare ali cowlings. I'm afraid my chassis is bolted to the car, so not available to copy. I'm also searching for parts, so maybe we can help each other out. regards, Nick.
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Don't know if this is any help - From Motorcycling December 17 1959.
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That is a mark 2 chassis with torsion suspension and talisman engine where the body is a mark 1 with upright shock absorbers and a 9E. I will send messyman a photo of a mark 1 chassis if it helps.
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Helo, Yes I got the remains of a correct type motor from you. Grant very kindly donated the necessary rare ali cowlings. I'm afraid my chassis is bolted to the car, so not available to copy. I'm also searching for parts, so maybe we can help each other out. regards, Nick.
yes ill help ya what do u need
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That is a mark 2 chassis with torsion suspension and talisman engine where the body is a mark 1 with upright shock absorbers and a 9E. I will send messyman a photo of a mark 1 chassis if it helps.
yer mines a mk1 version the moulding for the front suspension looks to be the upright system and mine dosent have the boot lid at the back
any details that any 1 has got will help towards finshing any1s frisky
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any details that any 1 has got will help towards finshing any1s frisky
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I don't understand this statement.
What details are you looking for?
Perhaps I can help.
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lol well it seem this thread has changed from wanting a chassis to getting info as every1 is giving which isn't a bad thing but still need that dam chassis
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I am inside mine just now.
Do you need a measurement, or have to come visit with the body lifted off?
Mars is a little hotter than you are probably used to , but still bearable, as I am working in the shade with a fan on.
A little car juggling going on here. Snuggy, AZ-1 and Arola all being driven around the block a few times, before re parking in different spaces, as I need to move the cars that are now functional to an area better suited for storage across the street.
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Hi Steven I think the only thing messyman needs measuring is how long it is ...... Until someone offers him a chassis ;)
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Indeed having one in front means an accurate replication, possibly a jig, or several smaller jigs, so several more can be run off. There could be up to 25 odd bodies without chassis out there! 10 would not be a surprising number of immanent demand once the word got out. No idea if John M has track of all the bodyshells. How would you ID them?
I know several flirt with Isetta chassis beneath them.
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lol if jigs were made for the frisky its much more better if the real thing was here that's how I did the Schmitt chassis
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tumble weed :P still nuffin
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Might have to buy a car to get a chassis to copy. Always the same prob when trying to replicate parts, suddenly the sound of silence, save those in need. Russ used to ask me for schmitt stuff as I was one of few who would let him have stuff. I even let him cut things up if it suited. He always returned the favour when the item was made.
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I c wat your saying
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Problem is, if you buy another complete Frisky to copy the chassis you will probably loose interest in the body shell as you will then have a Frisky to use/restore.
Lots of Frisky owners have a spare body shell as there are so many of them left over but none have any plans to build them into cars as finding the required parts is near impossible. Better to look for a Frisky restoration project and keep the body shell as a spare.
You are the 5th owner of this body shell that I know of and sadly none of them have been able to do anything with it :'(
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I mulled over putting an Isetta Chassis underneath. One was going to become a boat!
The hunt for parts would be a challenge but much of the electrics and fittings were used on other machines. I am not familiar with the suspension layout, nor what brakes were used as source. The wheels could be accumulated. Engine, still Villiers about, even if they are wrong handed. A resourceful person could do this given a Chassis set. Just a Chassis might be hard work. Who ever cracked the more difficult probs has a lot of raw material to complete into a new run of original Friskys. Nifty Friskys or something. Indeed if Friskys were worth Scootacar prices I suspect it would be happening.
Perhaps Hatton should be bring a Frisky body day! Be a bizarre site.
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" a new run of original Frisky's " now there's a salesman talking Al ;)
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I have now uncovered from the back of my store the front end of a frisky family 3 mark one including suspension, hubs, steering column and wheel plus linkage. All needing a full restoration and in a state. I also have some pedals and a handbrake lever.I am prepared to let it go for a sensible offer.
I have also found a V5c for a four wheel frisky.(original owner was Bob Parry)
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i find it truly amazing whats out there - and that's not even showing us whats BEHIND the blue sheet ;) - bring on a new crop of original Friskys . AH !! just i spotted a pile of "ladder" chassis members alongside :)
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This particular F3 chassis had its rear cut off and a Chinese 50cc bike and frame welded on. (not even in line) The sight made you weep.
The welding was so bad it blew holes in the tube. If you think a chassis is hard to find wait till you try to find two doors.
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well if you have that lot Malc that doesn't look a problem at all - was this pic a MKI or not ? theres surely nothing to the rest of it is there ? ah yes i see malc said that was MKII but surely it must be similar ?
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I have photos of a mark one chassis which had the 9e engine, where the drawing shown has the excelsior twin and a different front and rear suspension. It should be relatively easy to replicate a rear section using 2" tube and a motor cycle trailing arm and wheel.
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ill have it ...and the other stuff pm me all the details and ill arrange with you for collection
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Does that much of a Frisky make it a FR200? Or is it a Risky 198? Job on.
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I have now uncovered from the back of my store the front end of a frisky family 3 mark one including suspension, hubs, steering column and wheel plus linkage. All needing a full restoration and in a state. I also have some pedals and a handbrake lever.I am prepared to let it go for a sensible offer.
I have also found a V5c for a four wheel frisky.(original owner was Bob Parry)
hi there Malcolm I will need some details off you eg post code and contact number sending over
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been to see Malcolm today thanks very much for all the parts and nice to put the name to the face
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Glad you got it. If anyone can do something with that you can!
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well I came away with higher interest and better thoughts about the shell
but even better is when I came out with a couple of wheels , a door , a internal door mould and other various small parts ,so from a 10% vehicle moves upto a moderate 40 ish % ;D
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I love your optimism as i think 25% is nearer the mark. I think you are going to enjoy solving the problems ahead and that's what makes restoration such a drug. The register has loads of information and dimensions and John the nicest person in the world.
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THANKS VERY MUCH MALCOLM AND EVERY1 ELSE WHO'S IN ON THIS REVIVAL OF A FAMILIAR SHELL THATS BEEN ABOUT A BIT
ILL HAVE A WORD WITH JOHN MEADOWS REGARDING DIMENSIONS
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Front trim bars for Frisky's if you need. Steel and Brass.
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nice will have to talk bout those ;D
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The car you are attempting to build is a 1959 Mark 1 which all had Villiers 9E's and McPherson struts up front.
The chassis on the Mk2 is longer to accommodate the Excelsior engine completely in the tail section.
The bodies are the same length! which accounts for the Mk2 having a "box" on the back to cover the rear wheel which would stick out the back otherwise.
The Mk2 also had Dubonnet front suspension now decidedly "rockin horse" if you'll excuse the expression.
Your body has the raised seams below the doors. which has different doors from the Mk1 bodies without it. (There were two sorts). The Mk2 doors and body are different again.
The Mk1 and Mk2 both have a completely different sequence of chassis numbers (and the Coupe yet another) which could make registration difficult
I think Grant had the right idea, restoration is the less torturous path.
John
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk
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john ill need your help on all off this iv got front part of the chassis , with its drums ,hubs ,ball joints ,shocks , steering wheel , steering ,two wheels , 1 tyre ,1 tube ......I have got a door and an internal mold of the other side but they don't fit ....so will need your help on ....
(1) doors
(2) registration or it will end up as a museum item which I did want to have a go in it lol
(3) windscreen
(4) chassis rear end or measurements
(5) rear axle set up
(6) 9e engine
I think that's it most of the rest is bmc stuff I belive
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Hi Peter
Doors
Your body has specific doors that stop short of the wheel arches other F3 doors will not fit. I t is very probable that the door and mould you have came from Petbow and are for the Mk2.
See website for comparisons
Registration
Under the V765/3 scheme I inspect all Friskys and issue a report on the car for the DVLA.
Windscreen
No problem order when you are ready
Chassis
My F3/Mk1 is in the Bubble car museum at the moment but we should be able to find one for you to measure from. A doppelganger chassis could give you registration complications.
Rear Axle set up
Once again they differ and it will depend on your chassis.
Villiers 9E
Rocking horse
BMC parts
Not really, some brake parts are Morris minor but generally what was available at the time and based upon the experience of those currently restoring a Frisky are now rare and tricky to find. You do have the ten pages of "Tech Misc" for the Family Three that I sent you to help in this direction, and perhaps mean you don't have to reinvent the wheel!
John
www.meadowsfrisky.co.ukA
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9E still fairly common - one on ebay at present with the fan cooling , correct isn't it ?
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No. I think the one Young messy needs has the fan on the other side and four gears with reverse dynastart. Like my one shown here?
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ah well - he should have bought mine 3 months ago - i thought it went cheaply :'( ;D
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Messy.
The door and the mould may be too long and the front radii wrong but by cutting and rejoining with matting the right shape should be possible.
I made a passenger door for my prototype using an existing door but had to cut and fibreglass matt to get it the right shape.
I suggest you mould the inner then c/sunk screw an aluminium sheet to form an outer so you can make a mould of the shape. An outer can then be taken from that mould. Once you have made the door then hack and slash the same as the drivers door.Its a lot of work but better than no doors.
I have now found that sample bottom door hinge so i will send it you in the next few days. You will have fun making a few of them.John will explain that the top hinge is different from the bottom one and if you ask him nicely he has some photos.
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yep thanks for that Malcolm that was 1 plan already considered regarding doors and thanks for sourcing that hinge plate if you ever over this way pop in and have a look
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If the hinge is the same as the Sport we have ours off right now and I could send you some measurements. One part that I have not tried to reproduce.
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lol im not to sure but I no the ball that goes between the hinge is morris 8 but hinge I not to sure whether its coach works but it might be worth getting a batch out there if you make them to help out the small amount of frisky's left
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lets have pics and measurements . if it's what it sounds like it may be available off the shelf , mine :D , i autojumbled for the Gordon and they are the wrong size slightly
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Peter
The s hinges used to be used on bus/coach cabs but are no longer made. The top and bottom hinges are different and be aware they are handed. The information on hinges can be found on page 8 in the "tech Misc" I have already sent you.
John
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Yes ive read the file you gave and on the web page
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any details for us out here ? these are autojumble items , and if off a more common vehicle are almost certainly being remade - if they are what I think they might be :-\
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ive bin looking at something like this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PAIR-OF-SELF-ALIGNING-STRAIGHT-DOOR-HINGES-LEFT-HANDED-KIT-CAR-HOD-ROD-/221619131132?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Other_Vehicle_Parts_Accessories_ET&hash=item33998792fc
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or this
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Superb-vintage-restoration-cab-door-hinge-truck-commercial-ash-frame-2586-/361012959964?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CommercialVehicleParts_SM&hash=item540e0c9adc
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yep the hinge pins that i have are used on mini traveller , Gordon hinges etc. see the differing ball size ,but the plates are what you need what you posted last looks right to me , very similar to the Gordon which i have just been out in the pouring rain to photograph . Do Frisky hinges look like the Gordon in the photo ? After saying all that its the doors rather than the hinges that are the bigger problem . By the way that looks a bit steep and feel sure they could be found cheaper
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Morris-Leyland-Clubman-Mini-Van-Rear-Door-Hinges-x-4-/301063905909?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4618cea275#ht_289wt_1037
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my don't i have some rubbish . just been out to the other garage and found a book from just one supplier to the trade . Back in the day , and I suspect it must be broadly similar today but all online , a manufacturer of small scale production would choose fittings from a catalogue . This catalogue is in fact a book of several hundred pages featuring everything from interior lights , ashtrays, match striker plates ( remember them on the back of coach seats ) , grab handles , hinges etc. etc. I SUSPECT the hinge you are looking for may be at the top of this page , less agricultural than the ebay ones - blow the picture up and see a garage spider top left ;D
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looks correct from what I have left on the doors
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Self-aligning hinges are still available today from bodybuilding supply companies, though maybe only in larger sizes than were used on microcars:
Stedall hinges (http://stedall.co.uk/product-category/hinges/)
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All this interest in Frisky hinges, amazing.
The info in Frisky Tech Misc says
"Door Hinges (note they are handed) were used on cab doors of buses coaches etc but no longer available new.
But you can get replacement ball bolt and spring that are normally enough to rebuild worn hinges Try David Jones [davidjones@Carlyleplc.co.uk] www.carlylepic.co.uk who used to supply them.
Parts 43.025 pin 51mm, 43.006 pin 58mm, 43.005 ball, 43.009 lock tab,
43.011 spring, 43.0101 nut
The Tech misc on the site is long out of date, up to date copies are available FOC to all Frisky owners and offer the experience of those who have trodden the path before
John
Photo below shows the hinges in situ note top and bottom are different
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nice pic john every thing helps
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I just stopped and took pictures of the top half of the hinges but John beat me to post them. The set on eBay without the holes look like a possible alter to fit.
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I think I gona jump the gun and buy a set ..if they wrong ill put them in to stock
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I would hold out for finer castings as you aren't in a hurry , I do think they look a bit agricultural
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ok wellsee what happens but I do have 1 concern I think I missing some part (not the rest of the car b4 any1 says)
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Ive got the window pillar but I think dash is missing sides
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You are not missing any fibreglass as the parcel shelves are bolted in separately. See my blue sport.
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oh rite mine just looks very poorly cut out that was my main concern
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Malcolm did your Sport have a metal channel on the floor bolted thru the fiberglass to the mounts on the frame? We have one on our Sport. Will ask John to see if this original.
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Mark. There are two metal channels that support the body and are between the rubber mounts and the underside of the body with one channel pointed up and the other down. Well that is how it has been on all the six friskies i have ever owned.
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You are not missing any fibreglass as the parcel shelves are bolted in separately. See my blue sport.
right so I missing parcel shelves also missing engine cover ,I no what peeps are gona say that I don't need them yet but all in doing is putting the feelers out there /and gathering info
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Thanks Malcolm I have received some photos from John. Wow six different Frisky's!
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that's six out of 75 knowen to the register
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My first was when i was 18 and was my first car. It has gone to the big graveyard in the sky in 1966
My second and third were in my factory fire in 1988 and were lost forever just after i had restored them.
The forth was sold to the bubblecar museum together with a foursome and a mark B bond for them to keep and they sold them in an auction for a large profit.
Numbers 5 and 6 i still have so i am afraid that's only 2 out of 75 .
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This is a 1959 Family Three dash, it is my car at present in the Micro Museum .
Can I suggest that a visit to it would solve 98% of your questions and avoid speculation.
The Ali side shelves were used on the Sport.
John
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thanks john well im going to have a look at 1 of your vehicles u sold tomorrow a frisky sport I think his name is carl barnard which is at wisbech petrol station I no that some parts are the same and poss 70% isn't but its an insight into the meadows world
plus im just nosey
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Rytecraft scootercar
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Interesting pair of cars. Never had the pleasure of a Rytecraft. Bit of a sad tale of Friskys. Still at least you have one.
Bumped into Alan Hillier, who campaigned a yellow F3 for a few years, taking it on some stiff road runs. Something of the standard barer at the time. He still remains interested despite not owning a Micro now. Bit more endeavor with Friskys now, it seems.
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i have been told to remove the pictures or the two vehicles due to he did realise they were going to be used on internet but i did mention that help is needed for all frisky owners
so oppology's out for the owner and for you lot who needs help
:'(
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No worries, there is lots of help out there for all Frisky Owners and has been for the last 35 years, The Frisky Register run my H J Meadows of Meadows Engineering fame :). Better known to us on the Forum as 'old man Meadows'............
In addition there are at least another 6 very active Frisky owners in the UK and America that are doing lots to keep Friskys on the road.
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lol yer they keeping them on road especialy their chassis ill find 1 somewhere
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ive ordered fibreglass in various forms they shud be here beginning of the week, ive got some hard wood for the repair of the door hinge pillars so that's my plans for Christmas day sorted ive also ordered various other bits to go with it so pics will follow
and well hopefully in the near future we will have some news on chassis situation but will see
messy's hidden up
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I got bored so I started cutting fibre glass out of the door pillars
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and ive started to cut out a new door pillar out of some strange name hard wood
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will be glassin it back in probably tomorrow
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just a heads up these hinges for a frisky and possible gorden vehicles the 1s listed on ebay without the holes
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221619131132?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321598874065?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
these are correct apart from taking a few inches off the tongs and then drilling the holes , thickness is correct
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they are from moore 4 motors ltd
ebay id kitcar.crazy shop moore 4 motors web address www.moore4motors.co.uk email sales@moore4motors.com
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heres the view of the hinges compared to the old
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well they do appear a spot on fit ! but i still say the casting seems a bit coarse . Great research and result :)
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yes I agree a bit of a crewed casting but with a bit of milling and bull nose polisher inside the ball housing will make them ideal
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steering column stripped and repainted
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Ebay item 231516132763
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I like the way in which the rear number plate is thoroughly obscured in the photos ... but the front one isn't! :D
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There is less frisky chassis in that car that the half one that messyman bought. Be interesting if the logbook said frisky family three.
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Be interesting if the logbook said frisky family three.
Yep. 1959 Frisky, blue, 749cc, re-registered 22nd October 1983.
Wonder what happened to the other parts from the original car. One for Mr Meadows I think................................
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749 cc. That is a but confusing. Reliant engine? I have not found the ad yet. Sounds like I should have eaten before I do.
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Honda engine. The ad is at:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231516132763?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D231516132763%26_rdc%3D1
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I see. Not much Frisky left there, then. If there ever was one beyond a bit of paper.
Funny thing is as a basic desiegn it looks better than about half the commercially available trikes. Downside is without a good sniff round there is no telling how well its put together, nor if it will have handling issues. Clearly there is a need for a lot of attention to detail. Done cunningly there is a high performence Brutschesque bollide in there. Could be a fun project. To much else to do.
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A long long shot but Mr Meadows on the case!!!
John
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Hurrah for the Frisky Register ;D
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owner reports nowt left, distributed a long time ago, pity...
sorry folks
John
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk
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calm down my shell is hidden back up in the spray booth at the min as I sourcing more parts for it ... plus very busy doing mk1 golfs and caddys at the min for show season but have
heard of another frisky in local area that john may not no about to much which I trying to lay my hands on
lol but the feelers are out there for parts if you got them
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There was one in the Rushden area, or beyond, I never pinned down. That is heading toward your hinterland, I think. I believe it was in a humongous wooden agricultural shed.
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lol
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Hi all just checking to see if anyone got any thing of no of anything for the frisky
I haven't really touched it
Im still hunting for
Chassis
Wheels
Tyres
Screen
Engine 9e villiers
Rear axle
Etc
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Afraid not but I do have two Lucas Frisky type switches on eBay from tonight
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Ill have a look tonight see if they are for mine
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Have several Villiers 11E with reverse dynostart and carb with filter complete, needing rebuilt. Can do a single direction dynostart if wanted. Might have wheel trims
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Hi alan I have a villiers 11e engine which was off Richard but I am after the 9e
As for wheel trim I may be interested pm me
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9e seems a little more elusive, but their out there. Chum with a Scootacar is going to check them out to see if he can use them. Quite honestly I rather like having a few engines about. Its a bite sized chunk I can enjoy restoring. I will be building the black box and dynostarter for the Scootacar. out of his bits, with one of my new ex Siba NOS wiring looms. Looking forward to that in front of the fire.
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Excellent al I do realise that frisky stuff is hard to get but I have to keep trying
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Quite honestly I rather like having a few engines about. Its a bite sized chunk I can enjoy restoring. I will be building the black box and dynostarter for the Scootacar. out of his bits, with one of my new ex Siba NOS wiring looms. Looking forward to that in front of the fire.
A truly heart warming scene, even without the chestnuts roasting.
To my mind Al is a bit like a Santa in the world of micro cars, somatatypical comparison unintended. ;)
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Lol strange people ???
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A proper match for our cars. :)
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I am with you messyman ;)
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Conformity has its limitations. ::)
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Haha