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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: richard on August 26, 2015, 11:58:00 AM
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I don't know why but I have always loved the old black and white shots of cars being despatched ,transported and delivered . Are there any other shots of cars that we haven't seen before ? I do have a Gordon one up my sleeve might I add ;)
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And indeed some of these Bonds are on higher perches, the Raymond way.
What is pulling this, a Scamell Scarab? Though with Bonds it might be light enough not to be a locomitive.
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At the time he was using a Fordson Thames ET6 ,with either 3 1/2ltr V engine or optional Perkins Diesel, seen in other photo's but I cant find them
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Nice photo, cheers. I agree that there is something particularly nice about every day sights from the past. Old catalogue/advertising shots are nice, but it is the more mundane ones which always seem to have the best atmosphere.
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https://flic.kr/p/dwcba4
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(http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/images/uploaded/scaled/btn_works.jpg)
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Love the Isetta one thanks . Many years ago saw a pic , in a train book I think, of Heinkel Irelands coming off the the Dundalk - Holyhead boat and then by train but havent seen it for 25 years !
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Bonds again , MK B's, sorry about the pic and a totally different transporter - A Fordson E83A transporter - thanks Nimrod Cabin
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The Raymond Ways Fordson Thames collecting from factories and returning to Kilburn ;)
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(http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/images/uploaded/scaled/btn_works.jpg)
Brilliant, The Brighton Works shunter, 32662, A1X class Terrier locomotive, same as Fenchurch and Stepney on the Bluebell railway, it is preserved at Bressingham, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB%26SCR_A1_class
I wonder how many of those Isettas are preserved
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The Raymond Ways Fordson Thames collecting from factories and returning to Kilburn ;)
RBH 550 Buckinghamshire December 1952
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At the time he was using a Fordson Thames ET6 ,with either 3 1/2ltr V engine or optional Perkins Diesel, seen in other photo's but I cant find themhttp://www.rumcars.org/forum/Themes/default/images/bbc/quote.gif
There is a Perkins badge on the grille ie
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=perkins+diesel&rlz=1C1GGGE_en-gbGB511GB549&espv=2&biw=1304&bih=707&site=webhp&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0CAgQ_AUoA2oVChMIqM6M9avHxwIVBo3bCh0Vcwxc#imgrc=OLlUP8HICBKkXM%3A
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well spotted nick . In the top photo , Bond MK C's , the trailer wheels and tyres look like something off a 1920's Cadillac or the like :)
In the other, earlier ,Bond MK B photo which commercial is that
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Rich
That is a Fordson E83W tractor unit, this rig was christened by the factory staff as the Queen Mary. It was used during the 1952 Preston and their Fordson E83W works van was there too, see
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpsmithbarney/16282260327/in/photostream/
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Should have said the '1952 Preston Guild'
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The railway engine is also preserved as Martello 1 of 10 saved
Good period photos
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(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andy.carter/images/register.jpg)
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utterly utterly brilliant I love it :) on the ferry but not down in the cargo or car decks but up on the passenger decks so they could see out of the window , and possibly see England in the distance if they keep their eyes peeled :)
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http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-46177155/car-transport-with-a-car (http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-photo/rights-managed/42-46177155/car-transport-with-a-car)
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Ah ! That was my next topic , travelling circus ' and why they were called that ! :) and how common they were . :)
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can anyone find a way of posting these pictures rather than just the links ? thanks
we've seen this truck before ;)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpsmithbarney/8230463227/in/faves-50563107@N04/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rpsmithbarney/8224723211/in/faves-50563107@N04/lightbox/
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Some fantastic photos here, thanks all! I particular like the "Terrier" loco and Isettas, the Terriers were made for London Brighton and South Coast Railway, so I presume that is at the Brighton BMW works siding. The loco is now at Bressingham Steam Railway, Norfolk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LB%26SCR_A1_class
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(http://www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk/images/uploaded/scaled/btn_works.jpg)
Going by the nearest car it looks like it has the later 3" plastic lensed rear lights. I'd place that photo probably mid to late 1959 or possibly early 1960.
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My fault I suppose because I have only posted some links rather than the pictures - can anyone fix that ? Thanks , but that blasted old train has come up for the third time ! ;D ;D . Good to hear someone trying to date it though , if you are really really good I will post the photo I have of 10 !! Gordon's on a transporter !!
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Any Heinkel/Trojan or Messerschmitt photos anyone?
I think we are probably all quite familiar with the nice ones of Kleinschnittgers, but always worth another look!
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Which ones of Kleinschnittgers Marcus ?
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Images from earlier posted links
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One more
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If I recall, a car with one K on its roof rack towing a trailer with more K's on it. I would love to see Heinkels being loaded onto a Dakota/DC3
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Marcus that and andys were both part of my next post but I am just awaiting an enquiry regarding Ms. Bouffort's travelling circus , so please hold back on that one ( I don't think its that commonly seen , at least to me ;) )
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seeing as there was a deafening silence ;D you can have this also - brand new and NEVER seen anywhere else before oooooh :)
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Is that the well known Ace Cafe behind?
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No way.
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No Rob not a bit of it . The picture came up on Facebook of all places on a site for local photographs . The lady that posted it knew nothing other than that her dad was a keen amateur photographer , dark room etc. and he took photographs of anything and everything ! Haven't pinned the cafe down but it will be in the Birkenhead area near the Vernons factory
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Is that the well known Ace Cafe behind?
I think by the length of the name board, it's more likely something like 'The Village Cafe', don't know if that will help locating it unless you happen to have a Kellys Directory or similar for the period. Brilliant photo, what a find! Be great to know what colours they were.
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Lovely photo Richard!
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That will be The Birken Butty. More Gordons than you can shake a stick at.
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Perhaps when I identify the position I will find that they were being returned to the works unsold or faulty . The NEW GORDON must date the photo as 1954 I guess , anything of interest in the detail ?
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It has probably been asked before but does the site in Kilburn still exist and also where they made the Gordon's
Nice photo
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Well as Ways finally sold out to a developer I guess not but not sure , Vernons appears to have been demolished ,odd really as it was built in 1942 and what's there now looks very similar , it might just have a new frontage .( Will venture out as a passenger this weekend and see what we can find of the Café , still not driving /walking as foot muscles tender still and right NOW we are missing the Cheshire Micro Car Rally :( ) This area was originally Cheshire until re-designated in 1970's boundary changes and became the new county of Merseyside
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another Bond delivery truck ...
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How did you add the Flickr photos?!
https://flic.kr/p/xKtqma
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Fantastic shot ! WOW - there are some beauty's out there ! Sorry Barry but we had yours on the last page :)
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Also of note , in the ''good old days'' , you would go into the dealer and sign your life away for your new Bond , then you had the option of collecting it from the factory and on arrival was given full VIP treatment , factory tour , meal , diving tuition .
This was deemed the best option as running in and fault's was sorted out .
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In the earlier Raymond Ways / Bond C carrier photograph the driver can just be made out in his white overalls and peaked cap . This other photograph shows the same getup for collection of a another brand new Thames truck Having received a telling off :) I make the point that these mentions of Raymond Way and his drivers are only relevant on this site in regard to their collection and delivery of British Microcars to the dealership where they were once sold by the score ! ;)
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(http://www.erik.gjermundsen.net/images/ausland-01.jpg)
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(http://www.wheelsacademy.com/a1/goggomobil/factory/f04.jpg)
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(http://www.finlaybrothershistory.info/MyImages/Punchbowl%20factory%20truck.jpg)
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They're all four wheelers though. :P
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;D great pictures all of them , the girl with the Goggos and polythene sheet is worthy of a caption competition its its own right :)
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Enough surplus wheels to create "tread drift", but nice anyway!
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(http://www.strangefarmer.com/images/content/188965.jpg)
(http://images.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/389038.jpg)
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Funny jan de Lange just sent me those same Goggo and Kleinschnittger images and I asked if I could use them , he hasn't replied yet so ....
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This odd way of touting stuff around is I think peculiarly European I wonder did anyone British ever do this . First mention I have seen was that M. Bouffort from France toured Germany in 1952 with his Peardrop , next thing we see Herr Bruetsch touting similar shapes around Europe and England
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I love this thread!
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you stick with me Marcus , I'll get you through it :D
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We'll call you Super Glue then!
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this from Jan de Lange in the Netherlands , you see how international we are :) : Glad you like them. Yes, you can use them. The Fargo is the transporter
that was used by Dutch Goggomobil importer Gremi in the late fifties and
early sixties.
The tiny car on top of another car is a 1947 Volpe, or ALCA Volpe. It
was transported to the Geneva motor show by this Fiat 1100.
I'm sure you recognise the Volkswagen transporter with the
Kleinschnittgers. The German Schuco firm makes of model of the
Volkswagen with two Kleinschnittgers on its roof, but they don't make
the trailer, so I made it myself.
The Goggomobil Coupés covered in plastic are protected from the soot of
the ancient steam locomatives that were still in use in Germany in the
1950s. They were the forebodes of the plastic-covered Audis you see on
top of trailers these days.
The transporter with the Bonds could be the one that delivered the 5
cars to the Netherlands in 1965, but that's by no means certain.
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and the next two
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and the last two , okay so a couple of duplications but a bit of a story to some of them too :)
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First post here. I could not resist adding this photo of King Midgets (built in Athens, Ohio) being delivered.
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Nice one Tom. Do have a larger version of your avatar photo? Would be keen to see that too!
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The more the merrier thank you and welcome
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Marcus,
About 2005 or so the manufacturer A.O. Smith published a set of blueprints of their Smith Motor Wheel on their website. They built the little vehicle from 1915 until they sold the rights to Briggs&Stratton in 1919, who continued the run until about 1925 or 1926. The original Smith Motor Wheel was powered by the Wall Motor Wheel (developed in England). I decided to make an accurate replica, but using a modern engine (since I could not locate an original engine) to see how it rode and drove. I am attaching several photos of my replica. It has been described as a "motorized park bench" I wrote a Wikipedia entry on the vehicle and followed with a slim book on the interesting history of the car.
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Thanks, great fun!
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Hi Tom,
Welcome and I like your pictures. Did you attend the King Midget gathering in Warsaw Indiana this past summer? I stopped by and checked them over. Nice little cars!
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It is a shame about the thread drift though on two counts . Tom here deserves his own turn in the limelight I think , anyway we had a good long run ;)
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It's a shame that the pictures were not used to enhance an article in Rumcar News to help boost sales instead of people having a look for free.
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Blimey Rob you write the article then
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It's a shame that the pictures were not used to enhance an article in Rumcar News to help boost sales instead of people having a look for free.
How would it boost sales if the only people who saw the photos were those who already bought the mag?
The forum is rather a different thing and, hopefully, might gather web-searchers into the awareness of microcars, leading later to some of them subscribing to the mag?
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oops don't know what happened there , I wrote quite a long reply starting with a smiley just after the bit that did post . anyway the jist was that the WONDERFUL :) Gordon picture that recently surfaced I suggested to Chris for a cover for next RUM . Unfortunately the picture was not useable in the mag as it wont blow up, or will badly , its too pixalated or "whateva" so all is not as straightforward as we would like :( Actually I feel that if I were editor, God forbid, I would go for content over style on this occasion . We will probably end up with a superb photo of a restoration or a 1980's fridge because the photo's are great ;D ;D ) - non meant :)
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Dear Richard
Now lets get the story straight,
You asked to have the picture on the front cover and I said that any images need to be in portrait mode to fit the page, and need to be high resolution, and should be relevant to the magazine ( No kitchen white goods).
Unfortunately the picture of the Truck with the Gordons on, is not quite front cover material, but is very usable to accompany an article. If another good images comes to light, then I will most certainly consider it.
If you remember Maurice Rogers sent in a superb photo of his Goggo alongside a hot air balloon, which was ideal front cover material. All good photographs will be considered but must be portrait and high resolution.
The defence rests its case me-lud
Chris Thomas
Rumcar News
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yes Chris but I offered you a SCOOP ! where's your sense of adventure and ambition ;D
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Dear Richard
I shall leave you to have my share of adventure and ambition.
I do not think I would last long working as editor for one of the Tabloid Daily's.
A scoop that takes 3 months to hit the news stand is not quite a scoop, especially when it has been discussed on the forum already.
I am happy to pick up the threads and try and make a jumper out of them. But that takes time.
I look forward to publishing your next article Richard. Sounds like it could be a winner.
Chris Thomas
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https://flic.kr/p/yMusvi
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https://flic.kr/p/BD8t6E
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Forgot about these two. One is from the road test in Autosport 11th January 1957 and I'd love to know the original source of the other one
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Nice photos! I reckon the plane in Scootercr's link is a Curtiss C46 Commander.
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Forgot about these two. One is from the road test in Autosport 11th January 1957 and I'd love to know the original source of the other one
that's illegal .
1. without going into all the do's and don'ts . basically you cant tow a three wheeler with a three wheeler .
and 2. the big one is there are 2 points of articulation . Totally illegal unless a member of the showman's guild .
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The photos are from the 1950's and people towed broken-down cars with what they had.
In the 1960's I used to tow single motorcycles and cars that had broken down with my Panther combination with just a flimsy piece of rope. No problems from other motorists or the Men in Blue.
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lovely photos ! do post these on the flickr
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Totally illegal.
1. It was in Autosport, so they're probably racing versions at a race track.
2. I've checked with the AC Petite Register and anyone driving a signwritten AC Petite van automatically qualifies as a member of the showman's guild.
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Dear Malcolm
In the Petite 2 image the car that is towing the trailer appears to have a different roof, like a coupe, which would suggest it has a shorter wheel base. Is it a prototype or a special tug built especially for moving cars from the factory to the AC cars showroom. Did Alan Bud comment upon this when you showed it to him?
Chris Thomas
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Interesting observation.
AC stands for Auto Carriers. Their background was in commercial/industrial transportation. (I have driven an AC rail-car powered by two Gardner engines - in Essex!). They might well have registered the tow vehicle as a Tractor or Locomotive. It could then pull pretty much what it liked, and more than one of them. The top speed would be little less than the car version, but geared down for ease of carrying a load, none the less. In the same class as a Scamell Scarab. They would not be short of qualified drivers.
Mmm, is a Mini Comtesse a 5 wheeler, or a 3 wheeler. I'm off to go an tow armoured cars. Needle nardle noo.
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pigs at sea ...
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Great newspaper photo! Al, I believe it was AC who made the trains for Southend Pier, also in Essex.
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and I'd love to know the original source of the other one
Me. ;) That was one of several AC-related photos I turned up in a file of invalid carriage photos many years ago. Meanwhile, all these funny Petite-based cars and the related Buckland Runabout were featured by myself & Tony Marshall in a late-Tony-edited issue of RCN.
Tis all been done y'know folks, if only everyone would take notice that it has!
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Thanks Stuart! :) It looks like a professional photo, so I guess it was probably a publicity photo for Buckland?