RUMCars Forum
General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: lovelybubbly on September 24, 2007, 02:56:19 AM
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hi all,
just wondered what price range a tidy/restored/roadworthy scootacar sells for these days..guessing they don't come up for sale very often?!!
Ta!
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any ideas guys :-\????
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budjet on at least £2000.join the scootacar register.
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really?i cant see them being worth that,certainly in the scootacar reg mags i have they are no where near that.
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What is up with people? These prices are ludicrous! :o ::) ;D
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1, none for sale. 2, when they do loads have people have been waiting because they 'want' one.
I want an MGB Roadster. I buy an MGB Roadster.
I want a Scootacar. I want a Scootacar. 12months later I still want a Scootacar. 2yrs later I want a bloody Scootacar.
Eeezz zimple. Supply and demand.
With regard to prices Scootacars are NOT Treinkels or Isettas. The latter were built in their tens of thousands. 800 Mk1's. Lions share scrapped 30 - 40 years ago. Perhaps 100 left? You can have a Treinkel or Isetta within a month or two. They're no longer pennies for a decent thing.
But Hunslets finest are in a different league. Superb shape (especially from behind. Ohh err missus!!)
To use modern US parlance. "You do the math"
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I sold an unrestored but tidy mk1 four years ago to another enthusiast for £1700. I think you would proberbly have to double that now. Not so sure about the 10k for a prestine one, is this a case of the owners talking the value of there own cars up?
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they come up regularly in the scootacar register magazine,and ive never seen one for over £3000.And even if it was it would only have been by £500.
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I sold a condition 2 car for £6.5K two years ago.
If a minter goes on Ebay see what happens..
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good for you,such a shame that microcars are now a rich mans pursuit.one wonders what will happen when you all die off and no one can afford to take them on. ???
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good for you,such a shame that microcars are now a rich mans pursuit.one wonders what will happen when you all die off and no one can afford to take them on. ???
I think Micros are cheap. They are cheap. Have you seen the price of other classic machinary? Lotus 7's? Lotus Cortinas? Mini Cooper S's?
So houses double in 7 years. Stocks do the same.
And a Mk1 Scootacar that is rarer than all the above is £75.
Seen the price of Tigers? When things get global then prices adjust...
Blame the interweb
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Blame the pinheads with too much money and not much between the ears! ;D
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Agricultural indeed.
N.B. If the engine ever decides to grenade in a northern fashion then I suggest that you might want to have fathered chidren before the ensuing explosion and physical carnage...
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Is that why Scootacar drivers generally have high pitched voices? :-[ ;D :-*
On a serius note, can I make a plea for everyone to leave the money all these cars are making out of the scribbling please? Money is irrelivant as far as I'm concerned in ANY subject or thing we do for fun. True, a lot of micros fetch a lot of money these days but then EVERYTHING under the sun costs money in one way or another, more so that you would think a lot of the time. I would love a Scootacar (or Bamby, or another invalid carriage, or anything at any time....) but just about every micro (for example) has ALWAYS been just that fraction out of my price range. But instad of moaning about it, I actully find it faintly amusing. But then I fully understand that I'm existing in the period of time where these things ARE worth money. If I existed in the 1970s I probily would have stuffed a collection in the back garden to rival Tony & Malcom at their peak. But I'm not, so I haven't. But I'm not moaning about it....
Take Scootacars. A few years ago when I first looked at one, they commanded about £1,000 or so. At that time I couldn't QUITE afford one. Now, I have a litte more money, but the Scootacar is now worth a little more..... I still can't QUITE afford one. I predict prices will rise that bit more again following the atention on the National, just when a tad more money is coming to me. Therefore I probibly once again can't QUITE afford a Scootacar. I find it funny, I really do.... (excuse me a moment everyone please whilst I bawl my eyes out.)
Besides, my majour enjoyment of microcars or any other vehicle comes from standing ten yerds away and staring at the thing! So can we treat these forum topics as such and actully look at the cars sat before us (dig that rear end eh P50.... :-*) rather than at the money which paid for the things. I REALLY DON'T CARE WHAT SORT OF MONEY THESE CARS ARE MAKING, or who's got that money, becuse they are not going to come round here & give it to me!!!! If, however folk still insist on talking about money rather than the cars, may I recomend the Finachal Times website forum......
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WELL DONE STUART. I TOTALLY AGREE. :-*
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Stuart,
You want to join the Bond Owners Club and buy a Minicar from Bond Info and not E-Bay. They are still priced for enthusiasts but hurry as a few are appearing on E-Bay these days. A Mk E-G are good solid british Microcars at their best and still cost sensible money. Get one before they are all gone. ;D
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you may not wish to talk about money,but the original post in this thread was how much one would cost,and unless the vendor will take a collection of magic beans and some silver spoons as tender,then it does come into it quite a lot.
What i dislike is people who have these things solely because of their worth and because they can afford them.I once asked a friend of mine who has a collection of motoring enamel signs and petrol pump globes worth over £100k,would you still buy them if they were 50p each,to which he replied of course.That is a proper enthusiast!
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you may not wish to talk about money,but the original post in this thread was how much one would cost
Granted, but there is a differance between buying prices and "value" prices. It's the latter to which I'm generally refering. Plus ask yourself (everyone generally, not you specifically Daniel) this cold hard question. Is the real reason you are getting your knickers in a twist over the sums these cars are making, either asked or realised, becuse you are jelous of the person who has the money who can afford the car that you wanted yourself. Yes or No?
Think about it and answer honestly with only the single word; Yes or No.....
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no,because money cant buy you happiness,and more achievement can be got out of scraping together pennies to get something you have wanted for a long time than simply handing over a blank cheque to a dealer.
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This has been going on forever. A D-type Jag was say 5k in 1970. Its worth 2M now. Or whatever.
Things will always go up. Generally.
There's not too many people who will buy a Scootacar because it's going to be worth shed loads more in 10 years time. I love my Scootacar. I drove it 100 miles at the NMCR. It broke down. All part of the fun.
Only two were on the run. Not what I'd call well represented. You want a car? Its not as cheap as it was. EVERYTHING GOES UP THAT IS DESIRABLE. Private plates were issued free on cars before '63. Now look at 'free' plates. Hundreds of thousands for numbers and letters.
Two options. Push the boat out. Or don't own a Scootacar.
So it's the question that begs for the future. Who will buy these things? I suspect they'll go overseas. Namely the States.
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...There's not too many people who will buy a Scootacar because it's going to be worth shed loads more in 10 years time.
I agree and furthermore every "PINHEAD" I know that has purchased a Scootacar has done so because they fell in love with it and were willing to pay just about anything to have it.
And once they got it, they restored it (and spent too much doing so) and now share it with others.
What better home for the car than someone who really really wants it?
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its just a shame that they get over restored and look like trophys in a glass case rather than useable cars.
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When I went to a guys place at Watford to look at a Bamby for my wife a few years ago there was a Mk2 Scootercar rotting in his garden, I asked about it and he told me that it ran when he bought it in good condition but then it broke down and had sat there eversince. I asked if it was for sale but no, he would rather leave it to rot in case in about thirty years time he might do something with it, its proberbly still there rotting! This is so typical of many old school 'enthusiasts' and is why so many ended up getting scrapped. About complaints of over restoring, in my experience these usually [ but not always ] come from people that have owned a dismantled one in the shed for the last thirty years and lack the skill, motivation and patience it takes to restore it. The other misconception about it becoming a rich mans sport is in my view not the case , you dont have to spend a fortune to get your microcar up to a respectable standard, I know dozens of people who are average working class folk but present their cars at the shows in a pleasing condition and even pick up a rosette or two. The other myth is that all people with pristine condition cars lock them up in a glass case and never drive them , I keep my schmitt in pristine order but proberbly drive it more than most, I have driven it to Germany, Holland, France, Wales, and so do many others in our field of interest. It has to be said that many of the moaners turn up at the national year after year without there cars . If it takes high values to get these cars out of the hands of the 'armchair enthusiast', and get them restored and on the road then so be it.
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Scootacars really are a labour of love to keep road fit.
The Mk1
Tyres are hard (a la Schmitt), back lights are impossible (obv you can use lucas jobbies but for the purist LEP's with reflectors are desirable..), front suspension and unique balljoints are nil point!,9E engine's are easy save alloy fan shroud, wipers motors impossible, correct headlights getting very difficult, handlebars - exhausts -chassis parts have to be fabricated, rear spocket again has to be made, switches and electrics can be sourced from Evilbay. Dynastart's as Schmitt. Brake drums impossible, backplates same,slaves are morris minor, master can be sleeved, bearings are easy, wheels are rocking horse excreta. I could go on.
So for someone to source a dead Scoot and start to get it road fit means unreal commitment. To bother to keep it on the road with always the risk of it packing up and then the agg which will ensue is slightly offputting to say the least.
So these machines are hardcore. Not Treinkels or Isettas or Schmitts. They're easy.
With all I've said would you sell a fit correct spec healthy runner for less than it's market value? In fact why would you sell it?
I use my Mk1 but confess usually go for the Schmitt for an easy life. But the Mk1's on the road with T&T and done nigh on a 100 virtually trouble free miles at the national. I can understand if some end up as static museum pieces in the states which will be a shame.$
Just because you pay a lot for a car doesn't not make you an enthusiast. Time's have moved on but the cars are still here (some!).
Everybody who buys any rare micro should be welcomed. Especially if they're prepared to drive it on the queens highway.
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GOOD GRIEF!! i flicked back on here to an expected two or three replies to a right old can of worms being opened!!! :)
i only asked because a) haven't seen a scootacar in the flesh and fell in love with them at the show and b) had no idea if they sell for 1000 or 25000 quid!! i agree with so many comments and theories my question raised.. and also if they are 'hardcore' maintenance or rather restoration epics, i questioned- have i got the know how/persistence/patience/cash?!!
patience yes.. have a car in its 7th year of restoration.. / cash..no- see patience!: 7yrs of bank syphoning ;D
i did laugh out loud at the thought of an exploding engine ruining ones dangly bits..at the first sign of impact a real enthusiast (and i will include myself) would surely steer their Scootacar to safety first rather than 'abandon bubble' while in motion!!! A true test..
Anyway i have joined the club and waiting for some info from Steven, obviously i'll find my place in the queue for MK1's (the back!) and resume my virtue of patience! i'd love to have one and would use it as much as poss. Share the bubble love!
thanks for the replies..direct ones and not so ;)
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All the talk of rarity/value set me to thinking. It is true that something rare, interesting and historic will have a high price. That rarity will also tend to make it seem more interesting than more the more "common" Scmitts, Tojein-Helkans and Isettas. Fair enough ! But although I am interested in all types of unusual machines, I think it fair to say that the reason why the big 3 are so much more common is simply that at the time when they were new, more people chose to buy them, rather than the rarer breeds.
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Scootacars really are a labour of love to keep road fit.
back lights are impossible (obv you can use lucas jobbies but for the purist LEP's with reflectors are desirable..),
True if you own a pre 63 Mk1 but all later ones were fitted with red glass lensed Lucas rear lights and a chrome lucas number plate light. This is due to a factory fire at the LEP factory which destroyed all stock.
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Mr Boyds invalid spec Mk1 has glass lucas units.