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richards new trailer
« on: February 23, 2013, 04:57:27 PM »
like bob i too have had a good day ,just bought my first micro trailer . what should i have verified BEFORE i bought it . it looks to suit my needs perfectly . within budget , long enough, wide enough, width between ramps to suit my 3 three wheelers , will fit INSIDE the garage under one of my cars .
what did i overlook ? please be gentle with me

p.s. it does have a winch
« Last Edit: February 23, 2013, 05:17:09 PM by richard »
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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2013, 06:55:23 PM »
Does it have brakes?

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2013, 07:09:16 PM »
no ! but it's been used for many years carrying micro's without them - should it have ?
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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2013, 07:38:41 PM »
Brakes are only compulsory if the trailer has a capacity of 750kg or more than half the kerb weight of the tow vehicle.

Capacity is gross vehicle weight as stated on the plate on the trailer.  Beware that it is the trailer's capacity not the load it is carrying that matters - a few people towing empty boat trailers with their family car have been caught out like that - in effect, the trailer is assumed to be fully loaded at all times.  You would need to be stopped by a pedant to get caught like that, but apparently some vehicle check-points contain said pedants.

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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2013, 08:12:28 PM »
max load weight would be 645lb - 290kg no idea of the trailer weight . these RUM cars are mainly or completely of aluminium 
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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 08:18:42 PM »
in the u.k. it's not usual to have a plate , or not on an older one anyway , does that help or hinder ?
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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 10:23:15 PM »
Brakes are only compulsory if the trailer has a capacity of 750kg or more than half the kerb weight of the tow vehicle.

Capacity is gross vehicle weight as stated on the plate on the trailer.  Beware that it is the trailer's capacity not the load it is carrying that matters - a few people towing empty boat trailers with their family car have been caught out like that - in effect, the trailer is assumed to be fully loaded at all times.  You would need to be stopped by a pedant to get caught like that, but apparently some vehicle check-points contain said pedants.

Yes, this means almost all microcars on a trailer will weigh over that so I think you are going to need one with brakes.

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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2013, 09:48:24 AM »
My observation on trailers is not based on what is the legal limit i can get away with but on the facts of use. The recent auction now suggests that it is easy for a Microcar owner to put a car on his trailer worth some £20,000 and a rarity could approach £50,000. 

For me I want a trailer over-engineered for the task so;

I pick a twin axle. This way I can afford a puncture with minimal chance of a lose of control.

I pick a trailer with brakes so that if the trailer should part company it will attempt to stop itself when the handbrake safety cable deploys. A four wheeled trailer is both more predictable and balanced if loaded correctly so less likely to crash.

I pick a trailer that is finitely larger in all dimensions than the cars to be put on it so there is minimal suspension issue if there should be a failure or overhanging car to be damaged by road flak.

That sounds expensive, you might say. Not really as there are quite a few racing car trailers about that are prefect for the task but yet run to about £400 as they cannot really take anything heavier than a tonne nor longer than 12 feet, comfortably. They are normally relatively light weight so cheaper to tow than a full car trailer.

I then match that to a suitable tow vehicle that can boss the trailer about. Larger the trailer the larger the tow vehicle. My trailer tows perfectly behind a Citroen BX, which is a lightweight in modern car terms, of just under a ton (before you say it, with anything over 3/5 load it goes behind the Van).

I also make certain my insurer offers good coverage for trailing rather than take a chance of not reading the policy agreement which normally will not include a trailer or load unconnected to the car. A key phrase that has seen many lost trailers/poorly tied cars not covered during and after calamity, even if the fault was someone else's. Indeed such are the risks of trailing it is one reason I own a van! It is a safer transportation method to have the vehicle inside.

As an old trailer mine has no modern maximum weight stated, cannot remember when all that was reviewed now. It has got a proper towing assembly on the front of the A frame and that has its own allowable towing weight, which I believe is 3.5 tonne. Any pedant would look extremely foolish attempting to apply the rules to that parameter on the rest of the trailer, as it clearly would collapse under the strain. I suspect this trailer would be fundamentally illegal outside Britain because of this lack of ID tag and specification. Certainly the Germans have been ahead of the rest in insisting trailers be subject to firm construction criteria with laws and testing to back it up. The Peka, 1959, carries both the trailer makers plate and the constructors plate marking the specification within the makers specified parameters to class the caravan at 240kg and a loading of 400kg on tow. The info missing on my car transporter, effectively.

Statistically more cars get damaged on trailers than do being driven on the road.

So other than the pedant level I feel I can take the risk of putting a Messerschmitt, Brutsch or such on my trailer. If a Tiger I might think about getting someone in as £90,000 odd dangling behind my car is too much of a risk for me. For the same reason I have to chuckle at the welded bedsteads with wheels passing as trailers that appear behind £25,000 plus campervans loaded with £15,000 worth of car at microcar rallies. The very reason the BUMS started the ironic best trailer at the show award, which later got taken up as a serious prize at certain events!

On the other side of course is the size of garden in which to store the trailer, the size of the available tow car and what is being towed to where and how often. I probably do more towing than most people even now so my solution is a definite requirement for me against the risk over time.

Just in case you think I have become far to sensible in my old age I would point out that recently I was seen towing a Mercedes Benz 190 Fintail on Dave's indestructible transporter behind the old BX. So about 21/2 ton behind a ton of car, just like the old days. The BX coped wonderfully since it has fantastic LHM brakes, suspension, steering. No other car of that size would cope with what was a 4wd load, really. Very naughty but it makes you feel young again.
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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2013, 01:24:15 PM »
Update . Max unbraked towable weight for the vauxhall astra is 685 kg . The trailer weighs just 220 kg . It looks as if my heaviest car is less than 375 kg ( the weight of a bond g saloon - no given weight for my lighter tourer ) therefore 220+375 - 595 kg . I am well within the limits which I presume are overcautious .what's the problem then ?
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2013, 02:24:49 PM »
It doesnt sound like you have a problem, most trailers weigh more than that.

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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2013, 02:39:17 PM »
There is no public weighbridge for many miles . There is one at the cadburys factory next door to the family business ,that my two brothers now run , rob took it in as he has a contact . They also have a vintage train outside that my dad used to tell us was used to roll out the chocolate
« Last Edit: March 04, 2013, 10:07:21 PM by richard »
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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2013, 07:22:02 AM »
The official trade Messerschmitt Trailer the MEC used to have was little more than an axle with welded conduit. The car fitted on in such a way that it cantilevered over in loading and did not need to be tied on. Very clever, incredibly light and better than an A frame really. It did suffer regular weld failure on the axle welds as it flexed with no suspension. It was eventually modified to have suspension outside the club and I think David Tattersall has it up in Southport.
There is nothing wrong with a good light weight trailer. Certainly it is going to be a must if you run a smaller car. I happen to think a bigger one is better but that has its provisos as well. 
As a comparison my Peka caravan is 240 kg to Richards trailer's 220 kg. Visually quite remarkable!
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Re: richards new trailer
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2013, 08:49:52 AM »
Don't know the peka dimensions but did you think the trailer to be heavier then ?
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2013, 10:20:39 AM »
No. It is just a pictorial demonstration of lightness of caravan to something most folk can imagine a weight of.

Quite frankly I am amazed the Peka has not found a new home. Once I move it again then it will be in lock-down till goodness knows when. If I restore it then there will probably be loads of people who would have wanted it, 'bla bla, hype, hype. If only you had....'. Get that all the time. Given the price of restored small classic caravans, its unique market position as the lightest etc. I would not be surprised to see it sell for over £3,000 back onto mainland Europe. Yet in fact about £500 would see the work done. It never fails to amaze me the lack of imagination within the classic world to see things with clear potential over things that are basically useless and uninteresting. Just as well really or I would not have got most of my cars at prices I wished to afford, so I should not be to rude! Of course now everyone wants a Bubblecar etc. Now everyone wants an Eriba Puck. Maybe I should take moulds of the Peka before restoration.

Trouble with all this is I have no plans to use a small caravan and I have a shed load of projects to do already. However I will also have an empty 1000 sq ft free stash shed not including the mezzanine floor by summers end. Dangerous as I can fill it with interesting junk and prevent other folk from having it. Its traditional!
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2013, 01:09:09 PM »
Big Al your last paragraph is oh so true must be hundreds of interesting bits and pieces people need to finish cars and projects just squirelled away
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