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Bob Purton

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pre 1960 MOT exemption
« on: September 21, 2014, 02:23:57 PM »
AndyL Alerted me last night to this announcement from Dave Watson on the IOCGB forum regarding the problem that owners of late 1959 built Isetta's have had in proving there 1960 registered cars were actually built in 59 and thus qualify for MOT exemption.

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Hi all,

After much time and  hassle and back and forth with the DVLA i can now confirm that all UK built Isettas with a chassis number LESS THAN 321958 are eligible for no MOT

This is based on the glass`s guide and is the only document the DVLA will recognise.

I have tried arguing but all on deaf ears I'm afraid. Contacted Glass`s and they don't really want to know either.

So, if your Isetta falls into the above category please contact me off line and we should be able to get the date changed on your log book.

Thanks all

 

Dave Watson

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As my chassis number is lower than this I'm hopeful of getting the manufacture date changed on the V5.
Many thanks to Dave for all his hard work on this and a raspberry to those Rumsters who told me mine was a "1960 built car, deal with it!" ;)
 

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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2014, 04:58:39 PM »
Are DVLA are creating a problem for themselves here? Mate has a small manufacturer's confirmation of build for his car but DVLA refuse to accept it, stating they need Glass's data as proof. Since this is a specialist car, it never appeared in Glass's guide. But how on earth can you beat the manufacturers own data, anyway? I think they will find themselves in some hot water shortly, as this is neither reasonable, nor defendable.
Trouble is as a Government monopoly they can shift ground and then call this a non production car and turn it into a Q plate or some such. In this way they can undermine a lot of interesting cars freedom to use the roads, which are currently taken for granted. Not least as the insurers follow the lead of registrations and oddball registration marks mean higher risk to them. Q plates being a case in point. Having set a precedent, what other manufacturers information is going to be ignored, in favour of some non technical middleman entity, that does not have all the answers. Will existing large manufacturers word be taken, but no one else's, creating a two tear system. This style of corporate fascism means dangerous times for the freedom to be doing what you want, or paying extra for it. Well what a surprise if that is so!

Already I see dodgy ploppers being sold as road going cars on eBay. This MOT free thing might look great, but it is very much a double edged sword. As usual the geezers will go for cash gains and it might end up blowing up in our face. Yet DVLA is very keen to cut its administration costs as it has really given up any pretense of being a service to the public, and is primarily an arm of information collection for taxation and fee purposes to enrich the Government coffers. So if the complaints come in of rampant malpractice in sales of substandard pre '60's cars do not expect any quarter for the enthusiasts who are doing it right.
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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2014, 06:26:39 PM »
I agree that the DVLA need to improve their logic, but I don't think it really gets in the way of that person's freedom to use the road, or forces a Q plate upon them: there is still an easier way forward - get an MoT!

Like you, Al, I see more problems in allowing vehicles without MoTs than there would be if they were still required.

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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2014, 06:27:03 PM »
Al I do not follow your reasoning here about dodgy cars without the pre 60 MOT  it is up to the person driving the vehicle to make sure their MOT exempt vehicle is roadworthy if you buy something and it has dodgy deal written all over it
you can only blame yourself when it goes wrong and are stopped by the law
I can see Bobs dilemma but there has to be a cut of point and unfortunately some vehicles are the wrong side of this
The manufacturers records that we use are valid with Swansea
In the tractor world we have had no MOT's for years if your stopped for an illegal vehicle the buck stops with you not the dvla
as for paying there is no road tax and now no Mot( pre 1960 vehicles account for 0.05%of MOT'S) considerable saving on inconvenience and time
So put the vehicle in good order and enjoy it and stop blaming Swansea as a DVLA officer for a club I have seen all sorts of fiddles on applications is it any wonder Swansea do not trust anyone
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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 07:28:53 PM »
Sadly there are going to be people who will buy a pre 60 car which is structurally poor but painted up. Oh its a bargain! They will either be to foolish to check the condition, or not care, and can go on to create an incident. Such people are the first to start blaming everyone else. Of course their insurance will probably be poorly research and could void of not pay out. The profiteer if he has any sense will be long gone. So who picks up the tab? Magnify that into a life threatening accident. A few of those and the law will get looked at again. Would that all folk who want classics had the skill and intelligence to run one. This is the thrust of what I am pointing out.

I do not blame the DVLC for anything. I know it for what it is, as previously described. Like a Bank it is there to collect money (which is information), it is not your friend, despite making the odd friendly noise. In its mandate is a level of public service, but that has become very much less of a factor in its management over the years. (like so many things, service has been reduced while cost increases. In real terms the public is, thus, worse off, but few notice)
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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2014, 07:44:48 PM »
Funny enough in my case the reason I'm so keen to get mot exempt is the fact that they invariably damage my cars during the inspection.
I'm not blind to the fact that some will take advantage and be negligent in the maintenance of there vehicles.

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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2014, 08:06:31 PM »
As has been pointed out, you can still get nicked if you're irresponsible enough to drive a car unfit for the roads.

I always thought the MOT was a bit of a joke, after all the unscrupulous always knew where to get a bent ticket, and it's a open to all kinds of fraud anyway.

There's a enough newer machinery driving around sans tax, MOT and insurance to keep plod busy without worrying about a tiny amount of old fashioned micro motors.
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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2014, 10:44:15 PM »
Well I was not thinking Microcar. More 50's standard classic choices. The more specialised stuff tends to go to folk with some motivation to own odd machinery. Anyway while this is the rule I can enjoy it as it does help a little.
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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2014, 03:26:27 PM »
Funny enough in my case the reason I'm so keen to get mot exempt is the fact that they invariably damage my cars during the inspection.
I'm not blind to the fact that some will take advantage and be negligent in the maintenance of there vehicles.

fully agree , last time the Mk D Bond was tested the idiot put it on the rolling road and snapped/damaged the rear hydraulic brake cylinder , of cause then it failed the test - with repairs left to me , and they would not re-test because regulations wont allow use of the Tapply  meter .

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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2014, 05:59:34 PM »
Ah, I'm not he only one then!  Doesn't it make you wild!
One question though, I didn't think Mk D's had hydraulic brakes. Is this a modification?

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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2014, 06:02:03 PM »
Ah. I love MkC's and D's, don't care much for A's, B's and the later cars though.

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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2014, 06:15:47 PM »
 Bob Why! I can see the reasoning for the later cars but the early ones I like them all especially the vans and trucks
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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2014, 09:35:49 PM »
I don't really know Gary. Its hard to explain ones tastes sometimes. I think its the styling or lack of it. The other thing is that they could so easily be invalid carriages. My wife describes them as reminding her of a shoe! The later cars are just too boxy for me but the C's and D's just float by boat. We all like different things, part of the magic of microcars!

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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2014, 10:04:44 PM »
Could easily be invalid carriages ! What utter bunkum Bob ! Have you ever tried to get into a Bond A or B ? You certainly wouldn't be able to if an invalid . You really can't get away with that one  ;)
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Re: pre 1960 MOT exemption
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2014, 10:10:50 PM »
Could easily be invalid carriages ! What utter bunkum Bob ! Have you ever tried to get into a Bond A or B ? You certainly wouldn't be able to if an invalid .

No indeed.  But after a while in a Mk A, you do feel you've become one!