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Frisky and much more
« on: November 05, 2016, 06:26:17 PM »
Look at this on eBay  http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/162269219061                                   lots more similar micros in sellers other items

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Re: Frisky and much more
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2016, 10:11:42 AM »
I see my old Tourette is also on ebay.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1957-Tourette-Supreme-/162269219208?hash=item25c7ffc988:g:6T8AAOSwnbZYHK4p

This advertised detail is total rubbish !!!!!! as I owned it 40 years ago, still have the photos.   (the current vendor is only the second owner
of the Tourette; the original owner keeping this
little gem in his collection for some 55 years.)
« Last Edit: November 06, 2016, 10:57:03 AM by Rob Dobie »
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2016, 01:15:13 PM »
Agreed Rob. More twaddle..."A number of reproduction have been produced recently!"  One to be precise, the Bobette.

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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2016, 01:23:37 PM »
I have already made contact with Historics at Brooklands  and await their reply. Jean
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2016, 01:25:39 PM »
 I've seen a lot more twaddle than that in adverts ! Not much incorrect I would have thought ? A number of reproductions ? One , well one is a number , If the advert had said just one someone may have pointed out that this was misleading as a buck had been made and who knows what the future holds ? It obviously should have said two previous owners rather than one and that is probably a simple error , but hardly twaddle ?
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2016, 03:15:21 PM »
Or is twaddle an unacceptable step beyond onewaddle? Is one buck in the shed worth two in the pocket?
Who knows, but Shwaddlewaddy might have the answer, 'cept that was Tici, not Tourette, wasn't it?  ;D  Oh, please yourselves! 
Auctions seem oft strangers to the full expression of the truth. :o  Buyer bewaddle!  ???
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2016, 10:38:26 AM »
Checking into either vehicle's status they now show up as "temporarily sold out".
What does that most likely imply considering present context?
Was the FF3 the former Bruce Weiner car?

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2016, 12:25:36 PM »
No it was not, It was restored to look similar, according to the blurb.

Otherwise results seem to be thus

Picking up the on line feed, the results published prior to conformation, below. Seems it was a good time to be auctioning after all, if these results are correct.

Bamby in blue -------------- £4,100
Isetta 300 in red ----------- £6,600
Isetta 30 bubbletop ----- £17,500
Heinkel passed on ---------£8,000 - which seems low.
Berkeley ---------------------- £3,800
Isetta 300 ------------------- £17,000
BMW 600 passed on ---- £25,000 - which I think is pretty good for one of these. It might be a favourite though.
Tourette ---------------------- £26,000 - bit better than last time, I think.
Frisky ------------------------- £15,000 - very buoyant
Zagato Zeta ----------------- £12,000 - to a Zagato collector?
Carver ------------------------- £26,500
Bamby red -------------------- £3,600

So about £132,000 on the hammer for 10 cars. A nice little result, with really only the Bambys disappointing a little?

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« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2016, 07:36:47 AM »
Al,
Thanks for posting the results.
How were the Ebay listings supposed to interplay with the private auction?

What do you mean to imply by stating that the Heinkel and  BMW 600 were "passed on"?

If memory serves me correctly, the last Tourette made 17,000 gbp at auction a few years ago.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2016, 07:44:57 AM by steven mandell »

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« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2016, 08:42:13 AM »
The auctioneer states 'passed' if the item has not reached 10% of reserve, or if the bid is within 10% but not completed by the end of the auction period. It does not mean it is not sold, as negotiation might still be taking place. Subsequent results therefore can differ from just listening to the auctioneer. I doubt the Heinkel bid being accepted, but the BMW 600 must be close to the reserve, I would think. It might yet be sold. After all it is in the auctioneers interest to complete as many sales as possible, as well as getting the highest price as possible. If your choosing an auctioneer you are going to select the one with the best record as a contender. Equally the auctioneer is not going to except lots with reserves set to high, as he needs to have a reasonable chance to sell them. People who believe they can get Christies to sell a Peel on a £100k reserve, think again. They might achieve the price, but will only take the commission on a much lower reserve.

It is not uncommon for eBey adds to be taken out, and classified adverts placed, for cars in a specialised auction. Its simple and effective advertising. But you still need to register to bid, including any costs of publications or services required to gain a bidding number. such is modern coms that some auction offer a live feed to none registered bidders so they can watch the proceedings. I assume the hope is you will get excited and register to participate at the last moment. By pre advertising the cars, the Auction house has shown due diligence in describing the item for sale. Buyer beware.

I am surprised you do not know all this, Steve. Unless you never frequent auctions. I confess I am no great fan of buying, or selling in auction. Its often hard to get a true understanding of the items for sale. I therefore adjust my bid to take in the risk element of a lack of information. Generally, therefore, there is someone who will bid believing all the hype, and I will waste my time. The advent of expensive catalogues just stops me dead in my tracks. I am not paying to attend an event where I have minimal control over the process. So I chiefly attend junk auctions. These have a tendancy for all sorts of tricks, like' bidding off the wall'. All the easier with mobile 'phones. So you need to have your wits about you. There are bargains to be had though. Its a game, like any other. I am much better at autojumbles.

Others have reported the Tourette previously sold at a hammer price of £15,000. I do not know what the premium was, so I can neither confirm the hammer price, nor the paid price. But given the short period of ownership, a nice little tickle whatever it was. As I think last time the car was, as mentioned above, a bargain. Just compare Brooklands results with Blenhiem's a few years ago, where the Tourette last sold.  Prices have resin a bit, but Brooklands stands as a better set of results, as does the sell off up at King Lynn last year. The vagaries of auctions.
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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2016, 05:17:26 PM »
Thanks for the clarification Al.
Mostly just a difference in English then, as I did buy the AZ-1, Badsey Bullet, Lola, Bently Continental GT, Goggomobile,  Zeta Sport Coupe prototype and my Chevy truck through auction, but do not recall hearing the term "passed on" mentioned.
At the Bruce Weiner auction every lot was sold, so no need for the clarification, but in other cases here in the US, I recall hearing : "not sold", or "reserve not met", or something like "that was very close, we will see if we can work something out later".  So all the same mechanisms described via different dialect.

I too hate having to bid at auction to "win" an item, however it is sometimes a necessary evil if the thing you want is only available through these means.

I bought my Mini Comtesse on eBay UK, but was still mystified by that website informing me that both the FF3, and Tourette were "temporarily out of stock", when I clicked on "follow", as I was interested in bidding.
I now see that it was likely their inappropriate canned response to a request to be enabled to bid, for an item that was probably already sold via a completely different, yet unspecified auction off site.  They sure could have done a better job of making that clear!

I believe the approximate price of $17,000 GBP that I recalled for the Tourette's previous sale was inclusive of a rather high buyer's fee.
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« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2016, 10:17:50 PM »
The term isn't "passed on", Steven - so that's what may be confusing you!

Al is saying that, on the named items, the auctioneer "passed" (ie didn't make a sale).

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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2016, 08:18:58 AM »
I bought my Mini Comtesse on eBay UK, but was still mystified by that website informing me that both the FF3, and Tourette were "temporarily out of stock", when I clicked on "follow", as I was interested in bidding.

I never thought to try that. An interesting result. Such an advertisement does not really fit in with eBay's pigeon holes. Indeed I am surprised they allow it, as the item is not actually for sale from/via eBay. No doubt an agreement exists between auction houses. They rely on interested parties reading the blurb and putting in the search on the actual auction site to find the catalogues, unless there is a short cut. Having not bothered reading the eBay auction, as I could view the catalogue direct already, I do not know.

It is rare to hear an auctioneer say verbally 'pass', but our local furniture and effect guy is quite partial to it. Normally it is one of the phrases you quote, especially if the bid is near the reserve, so as to encourage a sale in the office later. But the results produced on the day are in a sort of shorthand, so 'Passed' covers anything that is not on a hammer agreement. Indeed I expect you can still make an offer on the two cars even at this late stage, should you be so inclined. So passed is not a total failure, unless you see that the bids were well short of a generally agreed market price, as with the Heinkel Trojan, I think. I would imagine a figure like £12 - 15,000 was expected, without looking back at the catalogue for full details and estimate.
Again, I do not know what the American equivalent would be, but  I expect there is one. Unless, of course, you local rules disbar sales after the auction process, win or fail. Auctions come with quite a bit of legalise and the auctioneer has to be accredited in this country. Its actually quite a competitive profession with results and following very much to be fought for.
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