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General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: super-se7en (Malc Dudley) on December 12, 2011, 02:25:01 PM
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Does anyone think the eBay item number 230715341330 marked stationary engine may be a 9E dynastart or is it my wishful thinking.
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Is the number given correct? I find a Samsung TV under that number...
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Sorry the number is 230715341380 and not 330.
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That one is an 11E, similar but doesnt have a posative stop gearbox.
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Ideal for a machine without positive stop brakes then. No good for a Scootacar but perhaps ideal elsewhere. A positive start dynostart would be handy.
So many choices with Villiers. Buy a good one and then negotiate the right one?
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Sorry could you explain to a Newbie what is meant by "positive stop brakes" / "gearbox or positive start / dynostart"???
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Sorry, once you get to know Big Al you will learn not to take his posts too seriously. Re posative stop gearbox, it means that the arm that actuates the gear change is pushed forward , the gear changes and then the lever returns to its original position, you can only move through the box one gear after the other by repeating the action. The 11E gearbox is sequenial, the lever selects a different gear dependant on the position it is left in , it doesnt return to its original position, these gearshifts usualy have some kind of gate to show which gear its in. The disadvantage is that its possible to accidently go through more gears than you intended when changing. Does that make any sense? I have seen 11E engines in scootacars.
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Sorry, once you get to know Big Al you will learn not to take his posts too seriously. Re posative stop gearbox, it means that the arm that actuates the gear change is pushed forward , the gear changes and then the lever returns to its original position, you can only move through the box one gear after the other by repeating the action. The 11E gearbox is sequenial, the lever selects a different gear dependant on the position it is left in , it doesnt return to its original position, these gearshifts usualy have some kind of gate to show which gear its in. The disadvantage is that its possible to accidently go through more gears than you intended when changing. Does that make any sense? I have seen 11E engines in scootacars.
But can't you swap the parts over to make a 11e a 9e?
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You can swap the gearbox over but the cowlings are different.
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I have seen 11E engines in scootacars.
Yes, a shame but a product of not being worth anything years ago. So they gained engines from ICs. Now the ICs need engines with the growing interest and round we go. All part of the fun and a good reason to find unmolested cars if possible.
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all mk11s had 11E's!
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all mk11s had 11E's!
Mine hasn't. It has a 9E something or other. Was it 9E/RE or 9E/SE or something. Back to the fact this has been in there a long time but then that does not make it right. I must double check the number as I have been communicating with Richard about Villiers matters and now have realised this might also be an interesting engine. It is a reversing car with black box.
As a matter of interest my MkII has the white neutral light. Does that appear with the 11E?
Talking to Andy Carter it seems the nice lozenge indicators are extinct. If Andy cannot find them over years at Newark Autojumble they must be tricky. I have the makings of one unit.
I am confidant I have the rear lights now thanks to that discussion. I would far prefer to attempt to have these things original and correct and with an unrestored car that is perhaps easier. Bit of a bummer if the engine is wrong though.
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11E engines in scootacars
I've seen people use them in Frisky's also, I hear the 11E's lighter anyway, or is that complete fallacy?
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do you mind blob . under 18's may be reading this :)
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al . which lozenge indicators off which car ?
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Scootacar indicators on my MkII are the original lozenged shaped units.
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hi al . lozenge shape is diamond shape . cant imagine such a lens . the indicators i think of for scootacars I and II ( different backing rubbers ) were available off the shelf at Bealieu this year . goggo at least bought some .where was andy looking ? :P oops at newark i guess :P
is this a lens ? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/pmg-made-england-classic-truck-oval-indicator-lens-/390373997968?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5ae41a7d90
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is this like scootacar ? needs colouring if it is
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Britax-536-Caravan-Marker-Light-Spare-Lense-Only-/170687311918?_trksid=p3911.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4913739214400541921
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Diamonds are diamond shaped. Either a square on its side or a squished square on its side. To me a lozenge is an oval with straight sides. A three D version would be a Hedex pill or short sausage.
The two light units quoted and illustrated certainly appear on Scootacars in orange form, no idea if they are correct for some but they are not the units fitted to mine and which I would like to remain on the car by choice. Marc's MkI has a pair with it and I have owned other Scootacars with these lozenge shaped light units. Those new units do have the benefit of sometimes coming with a rubber backing that can fit a Scootacar and I would guess they are worth looking out for. THe Scootacar is in storage so not near enough for a pic.
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I always thought the proper correct pattern was the sort which were the same height both ends as opposed to triangular in side profile. (NB, not to be confused with Scootacar Mk 2 rear lights)
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sorry bout the confusion al but a lozenge is a diamond shape - end of ! :)
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Actully, these are lozenge's.... ;)
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Actully, these are lozenge's.... ;)
Ugh!
My dad loves them though, chuck them at him!
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i love them too ! you wanna smell the factory ! next doorto one of my customers in fleetwood , lancs
guess what shape they are too - diamond ;)
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Whatever happened to Victory V's
They were square with the corners cut off - were they lozenges or diamonds in disguise?
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sorry bout the confusion al but a lozenge is a diamond shape - end of ! :)
Interesting, I looked it up and mathematically, no it is not. I am correct. Need to look in a dictionary as to most people a lozenge actually is not so much a shape bit something to take orally like the Fisherman's Friend (Goodness knows why, they are disgusting! Do they do Marmite flavour?). Then of course there is the Loxley Lozenge which was on telly just two days ago after lunch. Still funny.
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Whatever happened to Victory V's
You can buy loads of 'em from http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/victory-v-p-190.html plus loads of other retro sweeties. ;D
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sorry again al but if you must !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lozenge
how sad is this - a lozenge is a diamond shape always has been and always has been - its a rhombus . definetly not the same as a three sided indicator lens .
sorry al but you started it ;)
villiers dynastart anyone ?
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Rob how did you possibly find a site devoted to retro sweeties ooh you are a one :D arf arf
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A few of my lady friends told me about the site after calling me "an old sweetie". :P ;D
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Whatever happened to Victory V's
You can buy loads of 'em from http://www.aquarterof.co.uk/victory-v-p-190.html plus loads of other retro sweeties. ;D
Thank you very much for that Rob.
All my Christmas present worries resolved in one go. Can't wait.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lozenge
how sad is this - a lozenge is a diamond shape always has been and always has been - its a rhombus . definetly not the same as a three sided indicator lens .
sorry al but you started it ;)
This gets more interesting for me as looking wider I found the dictionary, which has to be the ultimate arbiter. It appears I am wrong. Comes from the French for a flat stone and only strictly describes an elongated Rhombus. A figure that appears in heraldry and in Celtic and other stone signings. (Quite how this became the word for a round or elongated cylindrical pill is less certain. My theory is that the Celts used to swallow smaller stone losenges hard in the hope they would hit tape worms on the head stunning them long enough to be passed out of the system. A fully recyclable form of treatment now lost to the chemical industry which yielded a free boot lace. So these marked standing stones were, of course, an early form of Boots).
However why are a set of recent school exam papers I was looking at on the internet in agreement with my prior quoted definition. Just shows that you cannot trust our great education system I guess and why some of our kids are failing.
So I have no idea what shape the lights are for the Scootacar, which could be the reason they are so rare as what do you ask for? Why is the Loxley Lozenge not rhomboid?
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Ah! The Loxley Lozenge! Someone has been watching last of the summer wine gums!
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(http://home.comcast.net/~erend/D2007_02-11_17_elliott_museum_car_show_640x427.jpg)
Mk 11 indicator!
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That's the chappie. What shape is that and where do you get them. By the way this car is far to tidy, even the guy in the background has a hanky in his top pocket. Your putting me off, if that is what the standard is now....
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these common enough arent they ? i thought scootacars all had chrome surrounds . must be wrong AGAIN :(
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/260895961151?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
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the profile of the mk11 is like a " D " and not triangular like those.
Just to confuse early mk1's had indicators which similar to the mk11 - but not the same!
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the profile of the mk11 is like a " D " and not triangular like those.
Just to confuse early mk1's had indicators which similar to the mk11 - but not the same!
Ooo eck! Might be Marc has those so will see if we can compare. Get all these various items nailed then the search can start.
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controversial i know but when we get the forum website updated as well as our cars perhaps we could have a series of photos of these RARE cars in original condition , or restored to original spec. i.e. scootacar Mk II 3/4 right front view , scootacar Mk II left back 3/4 view . then we might at least know what to aim for ;)
also helpful if the teacher amongst us didn't descrbe Mk II's as Mk 11's - most confusing ;)
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Also, wouldn't it be great if some people wrote sentences with capital letters where appropriate, as I was taught in school. ;D
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also helpful if the teacher amongst us didn't descrbe Mk II's as Mk 11's - most confusing ;)
The Mk2 is actually known as the 'Deluxe' :D
Scootacars Ltd offer the Standard, Deluxe and the Deluxe twin
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Why would you want a light for a car you dont have ??? ::)
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A record of originality is something any club that purports to be enthusiastic about a type of car should aspire too. This was partly why the HT Archive Trust was set up. Then the club decided not to use it, which is a bit odd. Likewise the Boothroyd Messerschmitt Chapel had a archive element to it. That seems to have got lost in politics and the ageing of the initiators. I am pushed to think of a micro club that really has this element of activity, support and information nailed.
It would seem to me sense to record known history, chassis information where it is available and then the examples of original cars left. These cars represent a huge resource for anyone wanting to restore a car correctly and prevents the 'common knowledge' approach, especially when it is in fact completely incorrect. The problem is that this information often creates a disagreement with the spares re manufactured and supplied where a one fits all policy is encouraged to bolster sales and reduce stock and investment costs of time and money. Strangely money tends to win over fact. However this just means it is more essential still to conserve those few cars left that are unmolested. We are still seeing good cars ruined by well meaning owners 'restoring' them. The results can be appalling.
I always saw RUMcar as a way to record the special cars, be they rare or particularly original. I never saw a reason to list 'ordinary' cars like restored Fiat 500s or Isetta. However it is of no great use to owners if they cannot access the cars to examine when restoring their own car to original. One comes up against the fact that cars are normally privately owned. Thus the information is secret. The best kept secrets are those not told so it kind of argues against itself in a way. Clearly the way round this is now available to us which is a detailed record of the anatomy of original cars without the need to publish where they are. From here you can see a huge website for RUMcar. Starting with a list of all microcars. Then gaining an image of each. Then a set of images plus a description with potted history. Lastly detailed archive of the best example/s as a resource for restorers. The work of a lifetime and bizarrely better suited to a person into collecting and collating information rather than mucking about with cars!
As an aside the best picture of a detailed element of a rare car could feature as Page 3 in RUMcar news. Ooowa look at the lights on that!
The MEC media management/creative group would dearly love to create this resource for Messerschmitts but we are to busy running the day to day activities of the club to do the really interesting work. I suspect this is mirrored elsewhere. The interesting issue is at what point does the internet eclipse a club such that, for instance, the media group of the MEC ditch the running of a club in favour of putting the website to full use instead. 95% of the owners would probably be better served! The vocal 5% who demand all for no effort would be the losers as very often it is they who have not kept pace with the world and believe £12 a year entitles them to a full menu of entertainment on their doorstep which they can choose to use or ignore on a whim and use as a basis to complain.
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(http://home.comcast.net/~erend/D2007_02-11_17_elliott_museum_car_show_640x427.jpg)
Mk 11 indicator!
The back of a Mk2 or Mk3 is a much more inviting place than a Mk1.
The Deluxe and Deluxe twin were a lot better finished off.
Shape's quite horrid but a superior interior. Mind you, some people think the Mk1's grim. I happen to think it's a masterpiece!!
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The deluxe rear seat does look plush but I could never figure out why the designers sculpted it that way, is it for riding side saddle?
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You can get two people into the rear seating, with their legs either side of the driver.
Just imagine in the 1960s giving a ride to a couple of hot young ladies in mini skirts, with their long slender legs by your side.
Cor! I need something to cool me down. :P :P ;D