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General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: Rob Dobie on December 11, 2011, 11:48:56 AM
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On eBay. Get your money out.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MESSERSCHMITT-KR200-FULL-RESTORATION-/300635968792?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item45ff4cd518
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It's a shame to see Tony is selling 503 RKE. It was the first Messerschmitt I saw in regular use in about 1978. I was 17 years old at that time and had my Isetta on the road. I would attend the Cadnam club night and Tony would be the with RKE.
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Shame he's selling it, but hope it finds a good home and is nicely restored.
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Had hoped it was a storage prob but apparently not so cannot prevent the sale. Rural France is a great place to drive a 'Schmitt as transport too.
I have an ex Tony car in GYC, my cabrio, which is lined up to be restored into the collection as it is just beyond conserving. It would take a good cabrio to change my plans as the history just adds a little to the ownership. Most of my collection have some known history back to respected folk or known dealers and I kind of like that. The cars are grounded and are very much only passing time in my ownership before they pass beyond me in time to other people who may not even know they are interested in MIcrocars yet. Over restoration, selling or loosing numbers etc spoil that grounded spirit I like in a car. I am not sure it has a recoup-able value in the new market but as a traditional collector it does to me.
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reserve not met
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Yes, not surprising really as you would have to spend another 5K to restore it fully and you can buy a restored one for 10-12k at the moment. I dare say Tony was testing the water.
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Yes, not surprising really as you would have to spend another 5K to restore it fully and you can buy a restored one for 10-12k at the moment. I dare say Tony was testing the water.
10-12k for a restored one? I dont really check them out often, but surely they go nearer 15k?
Only one way to tell, add a bit more than this ends for (can't read german, but mayb be a replica, looks like fibreglass panels)
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Messerschmitt-KR-200-/110796883086?pt=Automobile&hash=item19cc02448e#ht_542wt_1392
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If I could get my Isetta restored (properly) for £5000 I would write a cheque out today........
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I fear Tony made the error of not really showing the floor damage and describing the extent of the work. His previous sales have featured some grim but still usable items and they sold reasonably well. Sadly for a car this approach does not work so well as the risk is higher and many of the buyers are different. They will look to get the car restored rather than be doing the restoration themselves. Most assume the worst on floors. Did he have any viewings, they are serious punters?
As described I thought it was on about the money. My theory is it is actually a bit better than described and not reaching reserve would suggest I am correct. It is quite possible to restore a 'Schmitt for less than £5,000 from that car if you use the market opportunities and do the work yourself. Start paying premium prices and buying in work and the price rises. However if you are taking the trouble to restore a car it would be assumed that it is because you want the car not the money at the end of the process. We are back to worth and value, two different things. It is telling that the majority of people who express an opinion are more interested in the values achievable on selling than any other aspect of cars that come up for sale. I am no different but then my background despite retirement is well known to most so should come as no surprise. Especially as it is coming time to clear out a few projects I will never get round to and the fact I have exhausted all but three leads on cars I might consider buying in. I am nearly out of the game as a buyer and that only to replace cars from the core collection.
Interesting the yellow 10K GRP car in Bedford area sold pronto for around its asking price, one assumes. Which car would cost most to get correct A1 condition?
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Tony Might not like me blabbing this, but it might stop a few here making all sorts of assumptions. I was on the phone to him last night & he has taken the top bid, received the money in full within hours and the car departs today for the West coast of Ireland. Not too far in fact from where his old Trident, FYF 17C now lurks....
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I fear Tony made the error of not really showing the floor damage and describing the extent of the work. His previous sales have featured some grim but still usable items and they sold reasonably well. Sadly for a car this approach does not work so well as the risk is higher and many of the buyers are different. They will look to get the car restored rather than be doing the restoration themselves. Most assume the worst on floors. Did he have any viewings, they are serious punters?
As described I thought it was on about the money. My theory is it is actually a bit better than described and not reaching reserve would suggest I am correct. It is quite possible to restore a 'Schmitt for less than £5,000 from that car if you use the market opportunities and do the work yourself. Start paying premium prices and buying in work and the price rises. However if you are taking the trouble to restore a car it would be assumed that it is because you want the car not the money at the end of the process. We are back to worth and value, two different things. It is telling that the majority of people who express an opinion are more interested in the values achievable on selling than any other aspect of cars that come up for sale. I am no different but then my background despite retirement is well known to most so should come as no surprise. Especially as it is coming time to clear out a few projects I will never get round to and the fact I have exhausted all but three leads on cars I might consider buying in. I am nearly out of the game as a buyer and that only to replace cars from the core collection.
Interesting the yellow 10K GRP car in Bedford area sold pronto for around its asking price, one assumes. Which car would cost most to get correct A1 condition?
Everyone has different circumstances.
I would love to restore my Isetta myself but I have a family of four children with GCSE's etc. coming. I guess it would take me about ten years (and much neglect of other duties).
So if I want a fully and properly restored car it's better to get it done by someone else and watch over the standard of restoration.
I am close to a solution with my Isetta with one highly skilled person looking after the chassis and another dealing with the body and paint. I will need someone experienced to attend to the engine and transmission.
Even this approach will involve many hours of stripping, transporting and reassembly.
The option to buy a 'restored' car is very dangerous unless you know exactly what the history is.
The other issue is money. If I can earn more than the person doing the work then it would be madness to do it myself.
I am not interested in the final value provided it is not less than the money spent.
The key thing is to get the car on the road for driving enjoyment as quickly as possible.
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If I could get my Isetta restored (properly) for £5000 I would write a cheque out today........
I wasnt including labour, doing the work ones self. Having said that I spent 7k doing my schmitt but I am fussy!
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"I am not interested in the final value provided it is not less than the money spent."
Unfortunately many restorations do cost more than the vehicle is worth! Especially motorcycles.
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if you only do it for the money then you are doing it for all the wrong reasons.
there would be no micros(or indeed many classic vehicles) here at all if people didnt rescue and restore them when they were WORTHLESS.
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is it for me to point out that daniels a Reliant enthusiast ;D
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hi moneybags warren, laugh all you want,a friend of mine is doing very well selling late 90s Robins for £5k a piece,and Regal vans for £4k.
i suppose if you dont get any pleasure from actually driving a vehicle you have to find some enjoyment somewhere.
I own a 1973 Rebel van,one of 4 left in existence and the only 1 still on the road,but i dont moan about the fact its not worth thousands,but nice having something rarer than any Peel or Scootacar (good luck in your anal search for a lense for a car you dont own ;D)
keep on caravaning ;)
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Does the remaining four Rebels include the one in Dagenham I pass every week?
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These are Rebel Vans,that are still vans.
There are a fair few Estates and saloons around,think last figure was around 30-40 on the road.
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how is it ever known how many cars/vans of a any make exist .its surely only those owners who register themselves somewhere .
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i have access to the DVLA records and also club records.
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As I have said before, the best thing about them is the fun of them. Fine I have only driven 2, I havent experienced the others, but restoring is fun (not all the time though!), and very interesting. Its ashame that cars like the TG500 and Peels went up so much money...
People restore them better than they ever were. Its nice to see in a museum, but tatty cars are the best to drive. I do like freshly "as new" restored cars though, each of my current and future restoration projectys will be in the same condition as new (not talking about colour or anything, just quality of it)
One idea of colours I had for my schmitt is light greyish blue for the main monocoque, door, nose and boot, and sort of dark turquoise/blue for the wings with blue interior (see attached crappy drawing ;) )
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These are Rebel Vans,that are still vans.
There are a fair few Estates and saloons around,think last figure was around 30-40 on the road.
Come to think of it , the Dagenham one is an estate, cant ever recall seeing a van , they must be rare!
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Heres mine,and no,im not painting it :D
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Rodd/HPIM2105.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Rodd/HPIM2106.jpg)
perfect for chucking classic mopeds in the back too ;D
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I am Happy
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If I can earn more than the person doing the work then it would be madness to do it myself.
I am not interested in the final value provided it is not less than the money spent.
The key thing is to get the car on the road for driving enjoyment as quickly as possible.
That of course is a very valid argument. I have never really earned the sort of income where that has been an option.
Likewise the result is, perhaps the best to aim at in this situation. Now if you were allowed to write tax off for employing the specialists we might be getting somewhere......
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[IMG]http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Rodd/HPIM2105.jpg[/img
I like it.
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Yes, not surprising really as you would have to spend another 5K to restore it fully and you can buy a restored one for 10-12k at the moment. I dare say Tony was testing the water.
Just like you can but a mint Inter for 5 grand. Oh behayve Bob!
You had a cracking KR. Your buyer should be a happy chappy. I'll take as many as I can get for ten like that..
Here's the real world...
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?bsubmit=true&lmanufacturer=10088&lCarID=1837097
Same old Perry, still trying to talk up the value of his portfolio!
The real world is the one in which the cars actually get sold, not the one of think of a price, treble it and then wonder why it didnt sell!
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a vehicle is only worth what someone will pay.may i advise collecting oil paintings?they are worth lots of money but take up far less space than a peel or messerschmitt.
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but take up far less space than a peel
I've got the car. Pull up the ladder, I'm alright Jack! 8)
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Hands up, I was wrong about Scootacars, it was denial because I made the mistake of selling my two. I'm right about schmitts though, prices has dipped right now. There are a few about that just wont budge, a nice one in Essex too! The prices will recover I'm sure but in the meantime, dont go playing with sharp knives or near the edge of any cliffs, I know how much values mean to you! ;)
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Yes, not surprising really as you would have to spend another 5K to restore it fully and you can buy a restored one for 10-12k at the moment. I dare say Tony was testing the water.
Just like you can but a mint Inter for 5 grand. Oh behayve Bob!
You had a cracking KR. Your buyer should be a happy chappy. I'll take as many as I can get for ten like that..
Here's the real world...
http://www.classicdriver.com/uk/find/4100_results.asp?bsubmit=true&lmanufacturer=10088&lCarID=1837097
Same old Perry, still trying to talk up the value of his portfolio!
The real world is the one in which the cars actually get sold, not the one of think of a price, treble it and then wonder why it didnt sell!
As I keep saying, the new generation of micro "enthusiasts" if I can call them so just keep talking about value. They dont talk as much about there "microcar stories" apart from winning the concourse cup... Value isnt everything! If you want to talk about value, join the Bentley owners club.
Luckily, I act more like the real enthusiasts, I prefer talking about all of the anorak facts, and dont like the over restored cars as much!
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Sell your Peels and then you can get a TG500.
Simples!
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Hands up, I was wrong about Scootacars, it was denial because I made the mistake of selling my two. I'm right about schmitts though, prices has dipped right now. There are a few about that just wont budge, a nice one in Essex too! The prices will recover I'm sure but in the meantime, dont go playing with sharp knives of near the edge of any cliffs, I know how much values mean to you! ;)
Ok. The TG500.
I want one.
Problem? they are I estimate now 90 grand sterling. That's a cast iron fact. You can wish and babble as much as you want about that but that's the bottom line.
I simply will not pay that but a German will.
All this "enthusiasts" spiel and "it was better in the old days" blah blah just doesn't wash.
You have to be an enthusiast to want one. Now or then. Probably .0001% buy a car simply to throw a cover over and let it accrue money. If I had space I'd probably get a Trojan etc but I'm topped out.
Simple.
If you really want a TG500 dont look in the UK. Still some to be found in Germany, good luck ;)
My dad discovered one in Africa that had a spare engine.
As Rob said, sell the Peels. You get a lot more fun with a TG than a couple of Peels.
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sounds like a plan,after all,youve told us all many times how much they are worth and how big a que of people there are who will pay silly money for them. :D
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Nice diversion Perry but we weren't talking about TG500s were we, it was KR200 and there current faltering values that were under discussion.
"I'll take as many as I can get for ten like that.." So would I but I didn't sell mine for ten.
Not in the least bit interested in TG's or Peels, I do like your Riley though! Malaguti Olympique? Now I do fancy one of them!
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I guess I better join this thread now. Of all the micros I've owned or driven over the years, I have to say in my opinion that the Tg is tops. It has an engine that's bullet proof if driven sensibly ( most Tg's have their original motors with high mileages ). The high pitched whistle from the fans whizzing around at 11,000rpm ( twice crankshaft speed ) is addictive. The ali trim that flows over the wings, the stone guards, the curvacious wing shape is what makes these cars special. The handling is unreal, brakes are excellent The photos of Fritz Fend racing them in the 50's are brilliant. It's a shame that there weren't more built to keep the values down, then more could witness the experience.
Bob, I'll be going to the schmitt rally in UK next summer and you are more than welcome to take my car for a proper test drive if we can meet up. You never know, it may change your opinion on them, as long as you can 'double de clutch' with the crash gearbox. Nick.
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Thats a brave offer Nick! And a very kind one too. If I can make it I will but I dont have a schmitt to go in and I cant even take the Inter as I have loaned it to the Coopers for the grand opening of the new museum. Trouble is if I do like it I will be frustrated because I couldnt afford one, especially as Perry has now raised the official price to 90K cast in concrete!!
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Thats a brave offer Nick! And a very kind one too. If I can make it I will but I dont have a schmitt to go in and I cant even take the Inter as I have loaned it to the Coopers for the grand opening of the new museum. Trouble is if I do like it I will be frustrated because I couldnt afford one, especially as Perry has now raised the official price to 90K cast in concrete!!
Can he raise the price of Nobels while hes at it? ;D
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[quote author=Bob Purton link=topic=3075.msg20153#msg20153 date=132446425
Same old Perry, still trying to talk up the value of his portfolio!
The real world is the one in which the cars actually get sold, not the one of think of a price, treble it and then wonder why it didnt sell!
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He works in the City where this has become the new way to balance the national debts and underwrite the currencies. Its an easy mistake to make. Little bit political there, coming in.
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"A TG's a load of agg. You have to really want one of those on several levels.
I'll pass."
"What's my vested interest in a TG? I haven't got one. I WANT one. It would finish off my collection. "
"Can you talk TG's down please. Who wants this old junk? Just a load of nutters that stand in the fields in the summer."
LOL
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Heres mine,and no,im not painting it :D
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Rodd/HPIM2105.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/Rodd/HPIM2106.jpg)
perfect for chucking classic mopeds in the back too ;D
What is this thing doing on here?
How's it a micro? four wheels and a big water-cooled in line four cylinder engine.
REGISTER OF UNUSUAL MICROCARS.
I think this forum is more for people to have fun, instead of one person trying to act like a "know it all", telling people what to not put on the forum, and keeps talking about the value of his cars.
I wonder who that is.
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Looks like someone deleted his posts.
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HO - HO - HO! Fell out of his pram? Nappy Christmas. :D ;D
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We shouldnt castigate Perry too much, after all he is a genuine enthusiast, a little sparring is harmless enough but we dont want to alienate anyone from the forum, beside that he is a chum of mine.
ps, I didnt delete his posts.
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At the risk of confusing worth with value.
Until recently most microcars ranked their values to drivability with a little allowance for rarity. Not surprising the Schmitts were doing well, Tigers streaked ahead, like them or loath them. THey also had a good club structure. Enough folks in the market were buyers and thought they were going to drive them so a shortage of cars and a rise in prices. The situation is changing, and has been for sometime. KR200's are not rare and the club structure is becoming a little fractured. If KR200 are to become not driven why would their value continue to be in advance of the rare and unusable twonk that turns the head of the collector? In real terms they could become a microcar bargain with the proviso that microcars as a area of vehicles are highly collectable meaning none of them were cheap in comparison to the whole classic car market. In that Perry represents the developed collector/investors viewpoint. Daniel and co represent the opposing view and wish that the cars were affordable still.
I was out and about yesterday and two people of independent background who's views I take seriously both suggested Schmitt prices are not what they were and they were not sure if they represented the gilt edged investment they always used too. Thinking about it as I drove I can see their point. The only thing that remains the same is change.
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We shouldnt castigate Perry too much, after all he is a genuine enthusiast, a little sparring is harmless enough but we dont want to alienate anyone from the forum, beside that he is a chum of mine.
ps, I didnt delete his posts.
I didnt mean it like that, I meant that he deleted his own posts ;D
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If people want to be into microcars as an investment I suggest they could do far better elsewhere. I know a bloke not sitting too far from where I'm sitting who made 92K profit on one motorbike two of years ago. Can't think of his name right now....
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What was it, a Vincent?
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No, the're girls bikes. It was a 1937 Brough Superior SS100. A proper motorcycle, built by pie eaters.
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Lovely Motorcycle.
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Nick's always had the Midas touch!
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looks like my 700cc 2 seater fibreglass van isnt a micro,despite coming under the so called rules,i guess its because it isnt worth a lot,does make me wonder why perry skanked me by buying my 750cc Regal for £1200 and then exporting it for £5000 to a german who by all accounts has blown it up.
As this forum and the microcar scene in general seems to be solely about money,whos got the most,who can get the most,whos car is worth the most,how much they can get a for light lense that was only made for 2 days by one man in a shed in wales,i dont think i wish to hang around in here any more.
the fact is,the only people who can afford these cars are now rich older people.as they get older,and then die,their cars either get auctioned,scrapped,or sold to other older people who again lock them away in heated garages never to be seen again.
a far cry from the rallies in the 70s,for those lucky enough to have been there.
this scene will die with the rest of you,and its all your own fault.
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The door's behind you Daniel...
Right folks, I'm shutting down early for Christmas. Over & out til January 3rd. Over the hols I'll be out playing with some cars that bring me great pleasure, with some people who bring me great pleasure & reading back issues of magazines which again bring me great pleasure. And guess what, it's all bubblecars! This world is what you make it, & I'm going there now.... ;D
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If this forum isnt your scene Dan then we will quite understand if you go. If your last post is what you really think of us all maybe its for the best!
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looks like my 700cc 2 seater fibreglass van isnt a micro,despite coming under the so called rules,i guess its because it isnt worth a lot,does make me wonder why perry skanked me by buying my 750cc Regal for £1200 and then exporting it for £5000 to a german who by all accounts has blown it up.
As this forum and the microcar scene in general seems to be solely about money,whos got the most,who can get the most,whos car is worth the most,how much they can get a for light lense that was only made for 2 days by one man in a shed in wales,i dont think i wish to hang around in here any more.
the fact is,the only people who can afford these cars are now rich older people.as they get older,and then die,their cars either get auctioned,scrapped,or sold to other older people who again lock them away in heated garages never to be seen again.
a far cry from the rallies in the 70s,for those lucky enough to have been there.
this scene will die with the rest of you,and its all your own fault.
Not all of us are like that. We love our cars, we work on them, we use them. We dont keep on about money, and were not the only ones. Only a couple who talk about money.
Here is the TG
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Daniel,
I don't know you but you have the right atitude. It shouldn't be about money. I get as much of a buzz riding my Puch Maxi as I do a Brough. I like Reliants and there's a Regal saloon near me that I should squeeze out the owner. I left UK eleven years ago because I got fed up with the weather and how the car scene was changing there. Here in rural France it's like going back forty years in time. Nick.
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looks like my 700cc 2 seater fibreglass van isnt a micro
Dan it's very easy to post on this forum, sometimes it has interesting stuff and sometimes it has total ******** You just have to remember that your opinion counts just as much as the people talking total ********, but if you don't contribute these people think the rubbish they're spouting is far more important than it actually is. Bring on the Rebels! and a merry Christmas to one and all. :)
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Hello all, lot's of off topic banter and conflicting opinions, happy days, but back to the subject: Tony's Messerschmitt, is now my Messerschmitt and is in it new home in the west of Ireland where it will stay for the foreseeable future and will undergo restoration as time/finance/parts availability allows and then be USED. Any info, articles, pics of this car any of you guys might have saved or seen from the past would be a great interest to me, as it's story is just as important to me.
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Hello all, lot's of off topic banter and conflicting opinions, happy days, but back to the subject: Tony's Messerschmitt, is now my Messerschmitt and is in it new home in the west of Ireland where it will stay for the foreseeable future and will undergo restoration as time/finance/parts availability allows and then be USED. Any info, articles, pics of this car any of you guys might have saved or seen from the past would be a great interest to me, as it's story is just as important to me.
Hello, and welcome to the forum!
Dont worry, forum isnt usually like this ;)
My dad *may* have a couple of pictures of the car, since he knew it for a very long time.
JP
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hi and a welcome from me as well :) ..... now can i get back to talking about back lights then ? ;D
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EEEEK! :o NO THANKS.
How about front lights, side lights, interior lights, different size bulbs, wire connectors, anything but rear lights! :D
Oh yes. Welcome to the forum MesserC, from one of the nutters. Rob. ;D
Good luck with the restoration.
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Hello all, lot's of off topic banter and conflicting opinions, happy days, but back to the subject: Tony's Messerschmitt, is now my Messerschmitt and is in it new home in the west of Ireland where it will stay for the foreseeable future and will undergo restoration as time/finance/parts availability allows and then be USED. Any info, articles, pics of this car any of you guys might have saved or seen from the past would be a great interest to me, as it's story is just as important to me.
Welcome to you MesserC I do hope you enjoy being a part of this crazy gang, their barks are far worse than their bites !!!!! Don't forget to let Alastair Lauchland have your name and address because I am sure that Tony's Messerschmitt has a RUM Number and we do like to know where each car is living. Jean
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Hello Francis,
Welcome to the forum. Your are very lucky to own such a well known KR200. Here is probably the earliest known photograph of 503RKE taken in 1964 before Tony
owned it. There should be many more picture of it during Tony's ownership though. I am sure that it even featured in that gents publication 'Mayfair' in 1977 in the most tasteful manner ::)
I hope you enjoy the restoration process and perhaps retain the period metallic blue colour from it first restoration
Grant
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z184/rumcars/Hillingdon19641.jpg)
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We should recreate that picture. Where was it taken and what does it look like now?
Easy to find a few Messerschmitts. Not so easy to find a jumper like that though!
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Three pictures from Tony's eBay Ad. and the nearest I could find of a jumper.
I've got too much time to waste. ;D
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I recognise the registrations 661 MPK and XLX 132. I'll have to do a bit of memory digging to remember where though. Nick.
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(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z184/rumcars/Hillingdon19641.jpg)
Make a nice jigsaw puzzle picture. Pic says Hillingdon. So no parking and soon no 2 strokes. The Cafe will be Sillybucks now where you need a mortgage for a snack and the pub will be closed and turned into an ethnic minority meeting place with Government money. The No Entry sign will no longer be on that lovely old post but facing the wrong way on a green and passinger friendly modern job, probably with a CTV camera on top. I cannot wait to not go there.
I was going to say that I thought RKE featured large in the famed Mayfair Bubblecar expose. Be more fun recreating the pictures in that but there we go.
Welcome to the Forum where there can be whole levels of experience apparently unrelated to Microcars. I blame those old jumpers myself.
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Guys, sincere thanks for the warmest of welcomes and that excellent picture. Any more info or links would be greatly appreciated whenever they pop to mind. I'm game for recreating that picture, won't be able to confirm a date just yet. Al through could rush the restoration for the recreation in Mayfair. Does anyone know the Volume and or issue number of the mag. I found a similar item for sale but from 1990.
http://www.preloved.co.uk/adverts/show/102100626/karen-brennan-mayfair-vol-25-no-6-karen-brennan-1990.html
Speaking of jumpers, Tony was wearing quite a nice jumper when we meet. Looking forward to keeping him informed on the progress with little machine as it develops
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Does anyone know the Volume and or issue number of the mag.
I've got the magazine but the pages are stuck together. :-\
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My Mummy always told me to be aware of dirty men! ;D
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We should recreate that picture. Where was it taken and what does it look like now?
Easy to find a few Messerschmitts. Not so easy to find a jumper like that though!
Found it! Photo from their web site.
The Red Lion Hotel, Royal Lane, Hillingdon, Uxbridge, Middlesex. UB8 3QP
Put that address in Google Maps and you will find it on the street view just off the A4020 Uxbridge Road. Looks as if the next door cafe is part of the hotel now.
There's an undertakers next door! ;D
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That's a fabulous pic - looks like slide film? Thanks for sharing and very interesting to see the place as it is now. I found this site the other day which allows you to pin your old photos to their locations if you like that sort of thing!
http://www.historypin.com/photos/#/geo:51.409008,-1.044914/zoom:16/date_from:1840-01-01/date_to:2001-12-31/marker:7433022/ (http://www.historypin.com/photos/#/geo:51.409008,-1.044914/zoom:16/date_from:1840-01-01/date_to:2001-12-31/marker:7433022/)
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Well done Rob, a good bit of detective work. I believe that these KR200s belonged to MOC (L&SE) members who a few years later formed the MEC which had its strong hold in North/West London.
Happy Christmas to all. Had a couple of hours working on the Frisky Sport today before being called in doors for some festive dining, there is always tomorrow though ;D
Grant
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I love recreations providing some of the other cars still exist. To the determined the new yellow lines will present no obstacle.
Happy Christmas!
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Guys,
I was talking the Tony the other week and he does remember it being in Mayfair but cant remember when exactly and he doesn't have a copy. 'Mayfair' in 1977 in accordance with scootacar.
Anyone else know anything about this as I'm failing to find it.
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Have sent you a private message regarding the exact volume and edition as its not the sort of publication ones wants to publicise here on Rumcars ;).
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oh heck i am in the wrong place then. i have been waiting over 12 months for the action to start ;)