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General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: Big Al on March 27, 2014, 08:07:33 AM
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Ebay has a Tri Tech listed, look at the pics, its not a Messerschmitt despite what the seller says, at nudging £10,000. Now if that sale is achieved what a watershed. Tri Tech parts start becoming valuable! Of course you might suggest many and various comments but eBay have refused to remove the advert as misleading, apparently. So buyer beware if they think this is a cheap KR200.
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MESSERSCHMITT-200-1959-/141234332797?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item20e238e47d
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As much as I am against people flagging up items for sale on ebay or any other auction for that matter on the forum I think Al is right to alert all to this one. The seller must know full well its a TriTech and at this price level someone is going to be cheated out of there hard earned.
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I cannot from my phone but do think its worth asking exactly what percent is Messerschmitt 1959 ? ;)
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It's the old "Trigger's Brush" problem*, isn't it!
Trigger And that's what I've done. Maintained it for 20 years.
This old broom's had 17 new heads and 14 new handles in its time.
Sid How the hell can it be the same bloody broom then?
Trigger There's the picture. What more proof do you need?
(* As in Trigger from Only Fools and Horses. Also know as Theseus's Paradox, or "Ship of Theseus".)
If I take a Morris Minor, and put a Toyota engine in it and tell the DVLA, it'll still be a Morris. If I then change the body panels for fibreglass versions in the same shape, it'll still be a Morris ... and so on.
In this case, there are two questions: does it actually arise from a Messerschmitt, and is it fraudulently registered with the DVLA?
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It claims to be 80% Messerschmitt. Yet I see nothing to substantiate that statement, as the car appears to be a standard Tri Tech. So its not a brush, its a broom. Looks the same but other than a fastener or two nothing is actually the same. That someone has a label on it saying brush does not mean it is not a broom, but if brushes are offering cheaper usage, then it offers that advantage.
So the correct ad is that it is a genuine Tri Tech, a rare Microcar that is an image of Messerschmitt, that has gained the benefit of a 1959 Messerschmitt registration for economic running costs. Is it wrong to have it thus registered? Think not as long as your insurer is fully conversant with what they are insuring and the car is actually built to a 1980's set of rules. If not, then it is not insured, kiew State violence, but this time fully warrented.
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if its not what it's registered then it's not insured - simple
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Yep, can be. Its a Messerschmitt kit car by Tri Tech,'CONSTRUCTED IN YEAR x TO THE STANDARD LATER PRODUCTION RUN, SEE LEAFLET ATTACHED' if it were me. 'Please note that this car has been based on a 1959 Messerschmitt registration but is modified to Tri Tech specification'. If the insurer has issues they are going to come back on that to ask. It will be insured as a Tri Tech. That is legal. The insurers are not responsible for tax grouping.
You can argue that a Tri Tech does not gain enough points to loose its Q plate to a dated Messerschmitt plate. The fact is quite a few Tri Tech are on Messerschmitt logbooks. It is between you and the insurer to get legal to their satisfaction and yours.
Where it becomes illegal is to dodge the MOT. The car is not pre 1960. No MOT, no insurance cover. That might stimulate the Police to investigate the registration if pulled, and if they feel like i, present a case for fraud to avoid taxation.
Of course buying from eBay and getting done in the next few weeks means the buyer can bounce the charge back on miss selling. So the seller gets done for fraud, or deception, as well.
THe cunning could 'buy' this car with a withheld card payment or somesuch on a cash deposit and then place a deception claim into court against paying the balance while holding the car. A game of bluff, coming in, there. Is the penalty worth the fight. Be a cheap car then.
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More honest to advertise a TriTech product this way:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Zetta-Microcar-by-Tritech/291111252292?_trksid=p2047675.c100013.m1986&_trkparms=aid%3D555012%26algo%3DPW.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20890%26meid%3D5811359180207672363%26pid%3D100013%26prg%3D9312%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D30%26sd%3D141226742326
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The completed auction does not appear on the search engine but eBay have once again changed things so I have rather lost the will to really search. All it shows is three attempts to sell the rusty car, including a buy now at £999 and a later auction achieve £1,000 plus, Duh! So did the Tri Tech sell? If not who was bidding?
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Well on my handheld I have 4 bidders and ending sold at 10,200
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141234332797?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
I have 29 bids ending in £10,200
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yes but only 4 BIDDERS
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My E Bay doesn't show me that as the bidders are hidden.
I wonder if the seller won it?
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On the bidding page shows 5 bidders top left corner above bids just below the picture
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Well are those who want Tri Tech but I am surprised at this value. More ion line with America. Is that a clue to the buyer?
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On the bidding page shows 5 bidders top left corner above bids just below the picture
Thanks
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actually looked at it on pc and it does so say unsold - reserve price not met
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Blimey! What the heck does he want for it!
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Trying to sell it again
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https://www.facebook.com/groups/181148538580472/
By adding a photo using the registration number, I think this vehicle will appear in a google search - any one searching will find the comments perhaps?
Using the reg number and Messerschmitt I found this book on Ebay from Olympia 1992 - the list includes KEG 682
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BROOKS-CLASSIC-CAR-AUCTION-CATALOGUE-OLYMPIA-2-25-11-92-/380684645607
And this: http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/2078385835
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Back on as he was let down!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=141241982330&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:GB:3160
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Also retracted bids as it was £8100 last night do not know how he was let down last auction as it never reached its reserve
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A diver offered to buy off auction I expect. Then he found out its a Tri Tech.
Its value, I think, about £7,000. Still about £4,000 more than I would pay, but there are buyers for these out there. Its another well iffy auction. No proof of ownership, lost V5C, the principle link to a Messerschmitt and on which the seller is relaying for a surcharge on value. Been through an auction to uprate its value, an old trick. It sold for the correct sort of price. He is desperately attempting to fog that it is not a Messerschmitt in a very confused description. He get for more dosh by sorting out the reg, the car to MOT and being honest as to what it is. The V5C can be built up into a real schmitt after all!
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Now make an offer - only £11,000 buy it now.
I wonder how much the four offers are?
I will offer £2000
It was turned down.............. :(
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This is listed as "Silver" on the registration search engine I use for registrations
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Long John Silver, I think. Looking for blind Pugh.
So if I only buy the Tri Tech bits I will offer £2,200 for them. I can just about make that work with some of the junk I have round here.