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General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: Stef on June 12, 2013, 09:16:11 AM
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Hello
Spotted a Heinkel for sale! I've been hunting hard ;D
Anyone know anything about this one or live local to help get an opinion?
No keys - easily fixed? It says for restoration so a good expert or experienced idea of what would be involved would be fab :)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=321142334945&clk_rvr_id=489808517757
Thanks!
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On the face of it, it ticks all the right boxes.
Could you pick-up the Arial 3 moped (in the background) for me please.
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Hi Stef
Have sent you a P M if you want me to help you decide.
Mike
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After receiving advice from a friend who has owned one for years, and a very kind Rumcar member offer of help, I've decided to hold off this one.
The trim and lights are all wrong and the RHD model has gear linkage issues. Also, I've been advised the latest models were built very cheap with lots of potential issues. Maybe a reason why it has not run for so long??
If it were dirt cheap, the cost of restoration might be worth while. Not sure as it is now, with still 6 days auction left too.
Really appreciate all the swift support received, just what I need! ;D
Thanks!
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This looks more like it. Trouble is it could be what everyone is looking for. Key is not a big issue. It is a car that was sold late and has the hints of right interior etc to back it up. So it looks right. If the shell is reasonable I would say it is of definite interest. My advice would be go and look at it with your wedge in your pocket. If that is more than the seller is expecting he might end the auction early. Funny I just dropped off a rebuilt engine just up the road from there. Doubt there is a connection but on the right day I might just have fallen over it. Just as well not as I do not need it!
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After receiving advice from a friend who has owned one for years, and a very kind Rumcar member offer of help, I've decided to hold off this one.
The trim and lights are all wrong and the RHD model has gear linkage issues. Also, I've been advised the latest models were built very cheap with lots of potential issues. Maybe a reason why it has not run for so long??
If it were dirt cheap, the cost of restoration might be worth while. Not sure as it is now, with still 6 days auction left too.
Really appreciate all the swift support received, just what I need! ;D
Thanks!
I beg to differ. Headlights look like Miller, Correct. Rear lights are Hella with small later number plate light in the middle, rare but, Correct. Indicators off Isetta, Commer and early Darlek. Take them off and Ebay. The correct ones will be about the same price unless you find better condition.
Side trim. Interesting as it looks like the long bit from the rear back of the indicator has been moved down. Not sure if it is correct size - that is obsolete. But replacement in new near correct size would be about £20. A pair of original fronts would be about £20.
What was wrong with the RHD gear change? It is a different length cable, is all. If it were an Isetta I would agree. Think someone has got confused there as frankly that is a wrong bit of advice.
Build quality. Earlier the car the better. - Value of the cars. Earlier cars more expensive. - Availability of cars, Earlier harder to find, especially in reasonable condition. Beggers cannot be choosers. Your restoring the car so quality can be built in. Unless you want a concours prize. So fit a fusebox if you want. Shall I slag of the early car faults which was why the monocoque structure was altered?
The only valid reason for not considering this car is if the rare RHD front suspension casting is/gets broken. There are next to no spare ones. I have a couple and some 6 owners awaiting the chance to buy beneath my price with unusable cars. Their choice, but that illustrates I know what I am talking about and where the real problem is on this potential purchase.
You need to view this car, even if you choose not to buy, if your seriously looking. Without a feel for the cars by looking at them you can spend a year dicking about and still buy the wrong thing. Get your 'arris down there and less with the negative vibes!
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Hi Stef
I agree with alan ( for once ) there is nothing wrong with the RHD gear cable apart from being a bit longer it has all the right bits fitted to it like the small rear number plate light - they were scimping on costs for the later but a lot of owners prefer the RHD cars - having said that you would have to do much work on the inside to get it reasonable - I have owned a car for 40 years so I know what I am talking about and was one of the founder members of the Heinkel Trojan club.
Mike
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Looking again after Mike's comments. The inside of the door looks a little worrying unless it is a trick of the light. Is there signs of huge nosh there? Its pretty complete really, engine bay and so on, but yes the inside is a bit haphazard. I tend not to look at such things as I do not really get into interiors where as Mike has the engineers need to get things tidy and the way he wants them, which is much more to the tastes of most buyers. That's why it pays to listen to more than one opinion.
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Stef all this has just upped the interest in the car. I would hazard a guess that half the members of the forum are interested in this car at the right price and you have just got the ball rolling . In future probably better to keep schtumm and pm just one proper expert. . No hope of a bargain on this one
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I wonder if it was ever owned by Fred West?
Chris Thomas
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Stef all this has just upped the interest in the car. I would hazard a guess that half the members of the forum are interested in this car at the right price and you have just got the ball rolling . In future probably better to keep schtumm and pm just one proper expert. . No hope of a bargain on this one
I have to agree! The ones that have warned you off will likely be the ones that are going for it. I know I am! ;)
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Easier to list those who aren't bob . Well not actually those not called bob but you know what I mean . Bob
;D
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And to think of all the times you have lectured us about our spelling!
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Easier to last those who aren't bob . Well not actually those not called bob but you know what I mean . Bob
Does that mean cobblers to the non Bob squad? This is a lasting comment not a permanent one I hope.
As to folk manipulating the sale to get rid of the opposition, Tsk Tsk, that such a thing could happen, or be thought to happen. I could not possibly comment. Off to clubnight near Gloucester now.
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fat thumbs and blackberries - bad combination oops :-[
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seing as it's already flagged up . it seems to me to be one of the most original Trojans i have seen - door pocket, wiper surround plastic,interior vinyl ( could well be the original) correct quilted plastic petrol tank cover , rear lights, number plate light, headlights, rear bumper clip, correct inline fuse - no fuse box on dash . absolutely correct persex 1/4 lights , as stated earlier isetta indicators but easily replaced . the ally side trim is slightly bizarre but easily rectified .
floor unknown quantity but they usually need replacing this one you might get away with , as al says possibly bottom edge of door damage - but isn't there always
a very nice project to my mind ;)
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Possibly this car was stolen and insurance paid out. Now there might be a dispute over ownership.
Stay well clear.....................
Don't even bother to phone.
Take it off of your watch list.
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(while I pop along to see the owner with my big fat wallet!)
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no one has yet pointed out the entirely appropriate sticker on the drivers side 1/4 light - it's the WWF ! the world wildlife fund for ENDANGERED SPECIES :D
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its gone up £800 today - we will probably find our new member is the vendor :)
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no one has yet pointed out the entirely appropriate sticker on the drivers side 1/4 light - it's the WWF ! the world wildlife fund for ENDANGERED SPECIES :D
I always get confused between that and the over muscled American World Wrissoling Federation, featuring Hulk Hogun and co. If Ted Nugent has anything to do with it the WWF has eaten the WWF which is why its rare.
Actually I was trying to work out what that sticker was.
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Well I think it is - sure that's a panda - yes I know it's not a panda it's a TROJAN
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that car is fifteen minutes from home - and I have owned a few HTs.
Sort out details and I can go view Sunday.
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Nothing like looking at someone else's HT leads.
Oh, the humour of it! Of course I did not poison the car on Wed night. Just did clubnight, came away with some nice booty too.
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No post script to this thread coming in. I understand the car reached over £6,000. Told you it was a good one. No idea if it was £6,000 worth of good one. My feeling is it will have been one of the better prospects sold over the year. At clubnight there was a chap on his way home having bought a decapitated car to restore. Much cheaper but you need the skills. Apparently two good cars are to come to the market and there was discussions on value. These are the club guys and they havn't a clue where prices are anymore than anyone else has. I think you really have to look at Isetta prices, a more common car but with the advantage of the badge on the front. These two marques have consistently tracked each others values to a greater or lesser extent. It suggests the days of cheap treinkels are gone unless you find fresh blood.
As a comparison I am looking at a 40k mile Citroen BX Auto, very early Mk2 so over 25 years old for clear classic insurance cover. On the road £150. The BX is where the Schmitt was when I got in. Buy a few, scrap some and use the new spares which are reasonably cheap. Cannot do that with Microcars anymore.
Anyway interested parties in Treinkels up coming could do worse than contact Peter Jones or Nick Haddon or go along to the HTC Ltd weekend at the Bubblecar Museum, tempted to go myself as it is also the MEC weekend but that sort of quietened down after I resigned back to just club member in the spring. Long story but their loss. Gained a nice lot of time.
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As a comparison I am looking at a 40k mile Citroen BX Auto, very early Mk2 so over 25 years old for clear classic insurance cover. On the road £150. The BX is where the Schmitt was when I got in. Buy a few, scrap some and use the new spares which are reasonably cheap. Cannot do that with Microcars anymore.
Alan
I sold this last year - 47k from new, 10 month's MoT, tax for a month or so at it went out at £375, 1.6TGS Auto, just had full new exhaust system and a few other bits and pieces - (MoT bill was £270 or so))
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IMG_0798 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/46466362@N07/7403454678/) by messerschmitt owner (http://www.flickr.com/people/46466362@N07/), on Flickr
BXs in petrol variant are stupidly cheap.
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A BX Gti 8 valver was for sale beyond you in a scrap yard near Ledbury. To complicated a mode of purchase when I looked into it, Some scrap auction thing. I bet it did not sell and a drive by with a wedge would probably get it. But then is it all its meant to be? Auctions, dodgy.
Yes the lesser Petrols are cheap. They are neither fast nor thrifty. The diesels are just better all round really. But this car looked cheap fun. Anyway my route to it is rather convoluted via the chatroom and it now sounds like others are interested direct. I will give it one shot but I am not going to be mucked about, as its 200 miles away. I have a BX Estate at 120k and a saloon at 70k, both TZD Turbos, which are the best of the breed as far as I am concerned, unless you want speed. Both picked up well over the last few years while I was running the Pug 405 I inherited. These, along with others then passed on so as the two left are the best, owe about £650 the pair. The Estate looks to be costing an extra £150 to put on the road and the other £50 and a lot of labour to change a kerbed front crossmember. Call it a grand, cheap as chips. They offer the prospect of 15 years cheap mileage between them. I think there are two years left to collect a few cheapies and then the supply of BX will be ended. They are creeping up in price now. If I play my cards right they will rise in price as I drive them so minimal depreciation and I avoid all the modern rubbish on a cheaper drivers classic car policy. I just need access to a token modern to comply with insurance rules.
Clearly we share the same taste in cars. I find Mike Webster and other do too. Keep duplicating purchases etc. All rather fun really.
Nothing to do with Trienkels. It seems that topic is dead.
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Well did we ever find the price ? Over 6000 is a bit vague is that under 7000 then ? Talking Trojans here and not Citroens - sorry :)
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Well did we ever find the price ? Over 6000 is a bit vague is that under 7000 then ? Talking Trojans here and not Citroens - sorry :)
The final bid was £6,100.
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Enough mullah to buy the majority of the petrol sub 1.9 BX left in the country. Its so off topic as to be a breakaway bar.
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The bx was replaced with a tct Xm turbo estate which was then replaced with an Xm 2.1td estate to complement the Xm 2.1td hatchback.
I still love the bx but the Xm is even better.
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Is this not now of topic?
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The bx was replaced with a tct Xm turbo estate which was then replaced with an Xm 2.1td estate to complement the Xm 2.1td hatchback.
I still love the bx but the Xm is even better.
The XM looks a great car, However I am turned off by the fact it is heavy, is not as economical to run and has a brain. I looked at buying and they are more expensive to get the right model too. The BX joy is that it is a pretty simple car with the Hydropneamatic suspension attached. Once you get over that it is not a difficult car to maintain at home. It is designed to be worked on from a ramp. I hope to resolve that issue in the new garage facility. If your not a home maintenance bod then the equation is deferent. Citroen are now removing all the BX part numbers and I suspect will shortly be denying all knowledge. That will be a problem. However it really reflects the company policy and I doubt they will be anymore helpful with there other old products.
We're back to where I was with other cars I got into. Time to go and buy up the spares. Buy the time an organization appears that is motivated its generally to late, or the pipe smokers will have talked the thing to death. Goggos, What I was attempted to do for the ICR. What the NSU club refused my help in doing so I ended up with tons of spares they, allegedly, did not want, and so on. The beginning of something is always the best bit and I can have some fun trading in pennies rather than the pounds of bubblecar stuff today.
The other thing is if I was to get a more complex and expensive Citroen I think I would rather have a DS.
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al i think personally that citroens are FAR MORE OFF TOPIC than I.C.'s - lets wait for bob on this - can't you pm your only correspondee ?
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Thats what I said, but you all stopped taking about the Trojan topic, not me.
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but thats when we open a new topic al ;D
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But the question was raised on this topic. Anyway it has transfered to the BX Forum where it belongs. What mayhem can I cause next?