Never a truer word spoken in jest! When I was a Schmitter I found the MEC very friendly and helpfull. A handfull of MOC guys were also a great help, ones like Mark Snow, Maurice Rogers, Mick Morton, plus others but although I was a member of both clubs the MOC was very clicky and as you say, if not in the click you were not entitled to certain info. I'm hoping it may have changed since I left. Forgot to mention Helga Bonner, a lovely lady and much missed.