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General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: Peelpower on March 21, 2008, 01:32:12 PM
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Another microcar from France. I really do love them. Its so fantastic!!!
http://cgi.ebay.fr/PROTOTYPE-POINARD-microcar-bubblecar-messerschmitt_W0QQitemZ150222912772QQihZ005QQcategoryZ97149QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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It was not long ago that the same vehicle was up for sale on Ebay. I wonder what happened?
Chris Thomas
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Looks like there's already been some discussion concerning this vehicle on Don's site: http://donald.over-blog.com/article-7374082.html
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I think Don thinks it's a fake, or not a Poinard. Without positive proof who will know.
He seems quite passionate about this. It's perhaps the red wine speaking. Maybe being GOOD Friday that has set him going.
Chris Thomas
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Hi.
WHEN IT WAS ON LAST TIME THERE WAS ALSO THE SAME QUESTIONS ASKED.
As it says on Donalds site, it realy should be saying "in the style of", or "could be a"
Difficult with old ones like this with nothing to refer to.
I supose it's a cas of you pays your money and takes your chances?
john
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That's what I find interesting with cars that appear for sale. You think, are they made for children, are they fairground rides or simply home builds. This looks like a home built vehicle, having no resemblance to the Poinard pictured on Don
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What does "red wine speaking" mean, please ?
If there is a thing written on my blog about this car, it is that the seller doesn't really know if it is a Poinard, and i can't understand why he says it is, without any evidence. Then, i just show a picture of a Poinard (which is totally different of what the guy is selling) telling to all interested people that it is not sure at all.Imagine an enthusiast buying this car, being happy, and then very disappointed to see it is not a Poinard prototype.That's all. If tomorrow i sell a Mini contesse; saying it is a prototype of a Galy, won't you react ? I think yes. So, i had a reaction with this sale. And i think i won because NOW the seller put a "?" behind Poinard. (yes, the guy tried many times to sell this car)
Donald
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Hi Donald
I think you are right he should admit that he doesn't know what it is, and should have said similar too, or could be some sort of prototype.
Perhaps you cold help us identify the Voiturette on our forum, that I am struggling with, its the white onethat looks a bit like an Acoma but with rounded corners. I am sure i have a picture of one in a French magazine, but I can't find it and it is starting to annoy me.
http://www.rumcars.org/forum/index.php?topic=1165.0
Let us know what it, is if you know.
Thanks
John
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Dear Donald
"The Red wine speaking" means that you seemed to be more passionate about this car for sale, and the lack of provenance, than we would expect to read, about our hobby. It must be the bromide in our tea.
It is good to see that your English is better than my French and we have a good and knowledgeable member of the web site where French Microcars are concerned.
One day I would love to see all the French Microcars that have been produced over the last 50 years all together in a museum. Now is the time to buy up the pick of the crop and get that museum started with the assistance of one of the manufacturers.
Keep up the good work
Chris Thomas
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Insight,
Thank you for your reply about "red wine", i'll sleep less stupid this evening, as we say in French ! You'r right, if only it could be a French museum of french microcars.....I think and i know there are many unknown french cars remaining in some garage or yard. Almost each day i hear speaking about cars being found somewhere in France. And it is a good thing to know it is still possible today to find treasures, isn't it ?
Inacoma,
I'm sorry i must admit i don't know what is the white car, but some details make me think at something build by Bellier. But the cars of the 70's and 80's are not in my knowledge...So, you must ask someone else to have a good answer !
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I have been off for a while due to pc problems, but am interested in Donald's blog site, and have emailed him. On http://donald.over-blog.com/article-7374082.html there are photos of micro cars on the left when you scroll down. Does anyone know what the red and white one at the bottom is?
I remember seeing a pic in a classic car magazine in the 1980s which looked a lot like this one. I think it was a report from Retromobile or a similar show. The writer said he could not find the owner or much info, but said it may have been a prototype heinkel, and seemed to have a Heinkel engine.
Does anyone know abouit this and/or have any other/bigger pix, I'd love to know as I've been curious since I saw the article.
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Hi Marcus.
The red and white one at the bottom?
It certainly has some heinkel and Isetta touches, interested to see what Donald knows.
Hope to have an answer about the little white voiturette that we are not sure about, as have the french A-Team working on it ;D
John
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Donald does not know about it, but I think he would like to!
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Oh yes i would !
Inacoma, i am making some enquiries to know what teh white one is, i let you informed !
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Cheers Mates
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Regarding this mystery white French thing, I've started a specfic new topic about it elsewhere. Follow the link below.....
http://www.rumcars.org/forum/index.php?topic=1232.0
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So does no-one have any idea of the lovely red and white car on Donald's blog page? Surely SOMEONE must have a clue!
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So does no-one have any idea of the lovely red and white car on Donald's blog page? Surely SOMEONE must have a clue!
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Hi Marcus. If you mean the one at the bottom of the left hand column I believe its a car we saw at Story, A home made one off. If I'm wrong I'm sure Donald will correct me.
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Bobbybubble you are right. The car on the bottom left ,was home made in the ex GDR ( former Eastgermany ). It has, as far as i can remember a front door with the hinge at bottom.
Or if we talking about the car top left, this should be an Avolette.
Ferdi
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Hi Ferdi
You are right I remember seeing this car at Storey the year after the wall came down and we all went for a trip to "East Germany" when the border guards were still there - and the roads were terrible - and churches were falling into disrepair, we (the English) on the trip had to pay I believe 30 DM to the guards to be allowed to cross the frontier.
The car was handbuilt in East Germany and it used the rear half of a Heinkel scooter - complete with the frame in a similar fashon to the Cursor from the UK. You are right the door did hinge from the bottom and the car was well made but on closer inspection you could see that it had been handbuilt.
Mike
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Hi Goggo,
im fairly shocked the brits were charged 30 deutsch marks. I reckon they did ,coz u didn't know it was cost free.
I do feel sorry mate!
Anyway, this must have been in the year 1990, as far as i can remember. We all went across the old border having a look whats going on there.
Funny, after the St
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Thanks all, as it has a Heinkel engine I would bet that it is the car I saw in a mag 20 years ago, and have been trying to identify since then! The article said it had a Heinkel engine and thought that it may have been a prototype Heinkel sport bubblecar. Nice to find out at last
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You can get a closer look at this vehicle here, listed as a 1953 Schubert prototype, one of two built.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/filmfatale/100350724/
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hi Blob
I think it unlikely that it was built in 1953, from memory it used a heinkel A1 back end that was not introduced till 1957/8 - this was just the mis-information that was attributed to the car at the rally were nobody knew who had built this car - pretty though.
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You should ask the K
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I do not know contact details for the Kunneckes, but thanks one and all for the info and links, I have been keen to find out about this for a long time. I think the bottom hinges are a bit of a joke for access, but it is a lovely looking car
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I do not know contact details for the Kunneckes, but thanks one and all for the info and links, I have been keen to find out about this for a long time. I think the bottom hinges are a bit of a joke for access, but it is a lovely looking car
If you do want their details, please let me know. I'll sent you an email. Adress and phone no.
Cheers
Ferdi
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Thanks, Ferdi. marcus_demowbray@hotmail.com