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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: richard on July 23, 2014, 08:16:05 PM
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can you identify them and whats the point in common then ? and why ?
well bob asked for something new on the forum today ;)
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Looks like a load of rubbish someone will be putting on ebay.
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Nope - a serious question this Rob
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If they are anyting to do with the Gordon they are not common. ;D
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All used on various Bonds?
All microcar parts?
All bought at Beaulieu?
All made by defunked manufacturers?
All new old stock?
You will never get around to fitting any of it on your cars?
Cant sell any of it for love or money?
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Come on you can do better than that ! Look deeper , you did touch on it Bob . Perhaps more what they are not ?
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Rectifier, bullet connector, round headlamps with simple bulbs, surface-mounted lights, added parking lights ...
Things that modern cars don't have?
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All British manufactured, Miller, Butler, Britax PMG, Raydyot and Wipac. All fitted to British manufactured microcars......
Were are these British electrical component manufacturers all in the Birmingham area ??
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Got the gist right L.E. Perry , Raydyot , Wipac, Sparto , PMG Thorpe all British all fitted to British microcars - but in one word what are they NOT and do we know why ? Regret to say I have no idea where the companies were based . Miller and Butler fall into the same category but not pictured here also Clearhooter :D
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C'mon then with that group of automotive electrics suppliers which BIG one is missing ? and why ? deliberate company policy regarding economy cars , pressure from the big boys ? no adaptability for possibly small production runs ? or was it all just price ?
any theories ?
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We'll, Lucas is missing?
But only from that collection. It certainly pops up in microcars.
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Ah Dave but that's my question - why rarely until later on , was it a policy of not supplying ? When did Bond first use them ? mark E ? What did Bond use on C 's and D's stop and tail ? Lucas or something like Sparta,Raydyot or unbranded , I think one of the latter am I right ?
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I thought the C rear lights were Lucas - but it's 43 years since I had a C!
E, F and G have plenty of Lucas, and the add-on electric starter kit of 1953 onwards featured Lucas motor and solenoid?
Brit-built Isettas have Lucas lights, do they not, even if Bosch engine electrics?
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yes but Bond,Scootacar,Peel, Gordon and others used the minor suppliers initially, Lucas only making an appearance with 7" headlamps - AC Petite,Frisky Bond . i was just wondering if there was something going on ?
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Yes, the major British motor manufacturers of the time and trade unions ensured that Joseph Lucas did not supply to minor manufacturers. I once spoke to an elderly gent at the NEC (not John Meadows.....) who used to be high up in Lucas and he explained with reference to our minority manufactured cars why Lucas could not supply until 1958-59. The Frisky Sport is the perfect example, designed to have Lucas pre focus headlights but production cars had to be fitted with Wipac and a terrible white rubber ring to blend the body profile to the slightly smaller units.
Wipac is reasonable but all the others, LEP, Stadium, Sparto, Raydyot where all after market accessories and of much poorer quality.
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I wonder if it's to do with membership of the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders and issues to do with rationing and supply in the early 50s? Certainly as far as the Motor Show was concerned, the SMMT had very strict delineation about who could appear at the show, which is why three-wheelers were always at the Motorcycle show.
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This is the sort of background that I was hinting at Grant . Agreed about Wipac but British motorcycles of the time were all better for having Lucas headlamps . I also heard that Vernons had supply problems with parts and this was always a problem for them . Come on then Nimrod did Bond C/D have Lucas from new or " lookalike "? Thanks Malcolm also heard these things before and had forgotten the detail - good info and new to some I think
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On Grants point I did a bit of research and found that Clearhooter ,Butlers Millers , L E Perry and Raydyot appear to have All been from Birmingham . Sparto were from South Ruislip , Middx , Wipac from Bletchley ( which one) and PMG from Bridlington , N. Yorks !
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Grant , would that be why some Friskys had Lucas pigs ears and some Wipac indicators as well ?
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The Lucas pigs ear indicators were used on the later Family 3, Mk2 and last few Coupes all likely to have been built in 1959 and 1960 when Lucas were then supplying to the smaller manufacturers. The Wipac D shaped rear lights and indicators were used on the earlier Sport which were mostly built in 1958. I am sure Mr Meadows will be able to give the definitive answer.
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This is the sort of background that I was hinting at Grant . Agreed about Wipac but British motorcycles of the time were all better for having Lucas headlamps . I also heard that Vernons had supply problems with parts and this was always a problem for them . Come on then Nimrod did Bond C/D have Lucas from new or " lookalike "? Thanks Malcolm also heard these things before and had forgotten the detail - good info and new to some I think
OK Richard, if you insist. This thing about Lucas not supplying to minor manufacturers, the wiper motors on the Mark A and B were in fact Lucas, appearing late in 1949.
On the C & D lighting all was Raydyot up the front, the centre rear was also Raydyot. The C wing lamps were again a Raydyot aftermarket flush fit type very similar to the Lucas 471, the later C and all D Models did have Lucas wing lamps with Tourer having the Lucas 471 and the Family the L549. Very similar rear lights to the L471 were manufactured by LEP, Britax, Sparto Wingard and Raydyot etc. all intended I believe for aftermarket fitment.
The C & D Bonds both had L. E. Perei wiper motors
Any good?? Please do not ask what happened 5 minutes ago though, that would be a difficult one.
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Nice to hear from you Nim . C/D number plate light ? Obviously I have been misspelling Perei ! Cheers rich
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Richard, the number plate light I called the centre rear, this was Raydyot, cheers
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Thanks my friend all is now clearer
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Lucas - bulk supplier with accounts for clients. Not really interested in small, risky accounts so therefore COD terms.
Aftermarket lights would be small business. A nice little order over retail selling might offer an account status. So better price, later payment - hopefully after the product was sold so limiting capital outlay over trading with Lucas?