bodzamno, how will I know your bidding if we dont know your ebay ID? Witney44, thanks for the comprehensive definition Rob, the fact that I live in Essex and had not heard this expression gives me hope, things must by looking up! P50, I know the type, we have them in Emerson Park, they usualy have Lions on there gate posts, Chortle is a good word, originaly coined I beleive by Lewis Carol.