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General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: bubblenuts on November 12, 2011, 05:46:23 pm
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Item number: 220892316838
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Not seen one of these on eBay in a while.. and especially in this fine fettle, wonder what it will do? surely got to be worth as much as a good schmitt of the same condition?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960-SCOOTACAR-MK1-microcar-messerschmitt-isetta-bond-micro-car-heinkel-peel-bug-/220892316838?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item336e3544a6#ht_500wt_1413
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At the rate its bidding it might go for more! That will create a huff in some areas.
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At the rate its bidding it might go for more! That will create a huff in some areas.
Will be very interesting to see if this Mk1 actually runs to conclusion.
Will he get an "uber" offer from oveseas thus pull it? I've seen this car and nearly bought it.
It was owned by Jason Heather IIRC. I don't think I've seen a T&T Mk1 Scootacar for a very long time on Evilbay.
Let the fun begin....
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The auction will run its course thank you!!! as stated on the listing.
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The auction will run its course thank you!!! as stated on the listing.
Splendid.
Can't argue with that from the horses mouth.
This will be a true indicator as to the "on the road" Scootacar market. Albeit very narrow finite specialist one. I think the last Ebay Scootacar was that pile of parts assembled in a sort of Scootacar shaped rough assembly!
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Great little car. Good luck with the sale. I sold mine in 1976 for less than £100. I loved the 1st walk around video of the Scootacar on Youtube, roared with laughter at the end when you? got in and sat down. What was that rip- roaring sound at the end, too many baked beans? ;D
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There was a Blue MK1 in Canada that sold to someone in California earlier this year for $4500 USD.
Not as complete as this car but a bit better than that pile of bits that was last up.
I wanted to buy it but it was advertised in the magazine I edit, I never would have heard the end of it if I had purchased it in front of everyone else.
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There was a Blue MK1 in Canada that sold to someone in California earlier this year for $4500 USD.
Not as complete as this car but a bit better than that pile of bits that was last up.
I wanted to buy it but it was advertised in the magazine I edit, I never would have heard the end of it if I had purchased it in front of everyone else.
Tough one that.
I think in your position you sort of get one credit. Perhaps you should have gone for it.
They're rocking horse excreta (for sale if not in actual volume) here. In Canada perhaps one of err one?!
Ignore the naysayers. Anyway I assume it's gone.
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i think jims in a difficult position . i know of editors that regularly take the pick of the ads and members definetly don't ! i think it's awful and doesn't serve the buyer or seller - but it does serve the editor !
imagine it would be fair to make an early approach but declare your position and await other interest ;)
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I suppose it's like insider dealing and people get jailed for that.. I can imagine how tempting it is! I respect Jim's position. I think his view is the most sensible.
Well the Scoot's now a bit over 8K
Where will it end?! Why is a KR worth more?! (other than the fact that you can use motorways in a healthy KR200, it much sleeker, most parts are easy and sitting in a KR is not like being in a biscuit tin with ball bearings being dropped on it!).
80,000 KR's vs 800 Scoots.
I reckon it'll go Stateside.
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I struggled with whether or not to buy it right up until the issue was printed. I had all sorts of excuses lined up but in the end I passed primarily because
the previous "Club" and magazine: MINUTIA would apparently take their pick of the best items before printing the magazine.
I was furious when I found out from one of the Board members that they did this.
They even printed a "disclaimer" in the classifieds that said that the Board Members would not act on any ads in the classified section until 3 days after the issue had been mailed.
Seemed fair at the time, until you realize that the things they wanted never actually appeared in the classified!
They skimmed the good stuff before it ever went to print.
A bunch of self-serving jackasses pretending to "serve" the members.
That being said, if something is not offered to the club members first, I consider it fair game. I have exercised that option in the past.
that's how I got the Zündapp Janus that I enjoyed immensely for about 3 years.
It was shopped around privately, I was the first person willing to pay the asking price.
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A bunch of self-serving jackasses pretending to "serve" the members.
Sounds like the previous UK administration!
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I reckon it'll go Stateside.
yes... perhaps I will buy it! It's fair game!
:P
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I reckon it'll go Stateside.
yes... perhaps I will buy it! It's fair game!
:P
Hehe. I dare ya! If I didn't have one then a Mk1 would be on my wish list. Trouble is Ebay is good for the seller but bad for the buyer!
Years ago the seller posted his asking price and a deal would be done.
Now bargains are yesterdays news.. For collectables.
Perhaps a moment to pause for the thousands of restorable machines scrapped in the late 60'and 70's cos nobody wanted 'em..
Criminal.
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The blue one from CANADA is not gone. It is in my garage where I gaze at it every day and derive joy from its presence.
I also look forward to working on getting it back together in good road trim as soon as I finish getting the red Nobel 200 into the same condition. It is now very close as I have finally got the cranking problem solved and have only the dipper switch and horn left to conquer in my rebuild of its electrical system.
I also bought the Frisky Sport that the same Canadian owner had for sale at the same time with the Scoot and the Nobel for what turned out to be a 10% premium as the seller failed to mention until after I sent him $20,000 that he forgot to mention that he wanted that amount in Canadian dollars.
But I'm not complaining. I saw my only chance to afford a Scootacar in my lifetime and paid the premium on all three cars gratefully. It emptied my coffers for most of the year but fit in fine with my life plan. It also finally made me glad that I got sniped out in the last 3 seconds of paying approximately $12,000 for the rusty and incomplete bits and pieces one on EBay last December.
Thank-you Jim for having the integrity to allow me this possibility.
You deserve a lot more than one point for that!
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Not sure that ebay is always good for sellers. To me it appears very unpredictable.
A number of dealers I have spoken with (of classic bikes for example) say that they get lower prices using it compared to their own web site generated sales.
Looking at US ebay sales this last 2 weeks, I am not sure that the market there is that strong at this moment. Many cars are not selling for the expected prices and sellers are using low reserves or selling after the auction ends.
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When I was Alan's Unusual Autos I had a self imposed rule that I not buy cars advertised in club magazines. If they appeared outside the club magazines I considered them fair game. I was probably the only admitted trader and probably the only person to do this but I still found plenty of stock and it is a stick that no one could ever beat me with. I could have made a lot more deals but I look back and am glad I did hold to my principles even if they seem of little value to some. I know I behaved ethically. They are just cars but, boy, do some folk get their knickers in a twist. Often because they are really more interested in the uplift if truth be told. Look how well that worked out as an active participation hobby!
As to the Scoots in discussion, I think I had both come through. The red one might be the one from museum to Chris to Museum to Jason. No doubt Steven knows. If the Frisky is the trike Sport I had that as well.
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The blue MK1 from Canada that Steven now owns came from Norm Mort who in turn most likely got it from Mario Palma Jr, also in Canada.
Where Mario got it from I don't know.
I suppose I could ask Norm.
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Thank goodness the Frisky Sport is not a trike as there never was a Frisky Sport trike built by the factory.
Some of the confusion may trace to the fact that owner that Norm Mort bought it from had previously converted an FF3 to a Sport body style before being able to find, and hence start the concourse restoration of the very early style actual Sport that I presently have.
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Yes I think the Blue scoot came through me.
John Meadows is aware of the trike 'Sport' I had I think. It was a cause of a brief discussion when I had it and effectively was not as 'advertised'. It was a good enough 'car' though. It was a sort of maroon red when I had it. It went to Mario Palma or one of his chums. I found the car in North Worcester as a distressed sale.
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I too heard that it was a well executed creation. However I was apparently misinformed as to Mario being its Creator. Perhaps he cleaned it up a bit instead.
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Yes I think the Blue scoot came through me.
Is it this one by any chance? :)
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9987 UB, that's it.
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The auction will run its course thank you!!! as stated on the listing.
Well it made nigh on £16k.
Days of the Scoot for pennies are over.
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It;s over.
Sold for 15877gbp after sitting at 12650 for 2 days!
The last 90 seconds were very exciting, and especially the last 10 seconds or so as it moved up in bid increments close to 1000 gbp several times.
My guess had been $25k all along, and it translates to almost exactly that amount. Probably would have fetched even more last year, but cannot arguably be considered wrong for its current valuation.
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Glad I bought mine when I fell over them now. I had a feeling this was going to happen. Good for my pocket but probably bad for fun.
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Well done to the seller.
As my parrot says "That's the way to do it. Pieces of eight ... pieces of eight. Who's a lucky feller? ;D
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Good for him. Is this just auction fever though? Two guys who wanted one desperatly bidding agaist each other. Will the next one do as well? Usually once one of something make a high price a few more come out of the woodwork and fail to achieve the same result, well thats how things go in the antiques trade anyway. They deserve to fetch good money as they are rare little beasties!
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Good for him. Is this just auction fever though? Two guys who wanted one desperatly bidding agaist each other. Will the next one do as well? Usually once one of something make a high price a few more come out of the woodwork and fail to achieve the same result, well thats how things go in the antiques trade anyway. They deserve to fetch good money as they are rare little beasties!
Well bob my earlier prediction proved correct. That car was a very generous condition 2.
About time too. It will be interesting to see if any come up.
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Looks like the scammers are back! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960-SCOOTACAR-MK1-microcar-/250942439377?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a6d55bfd1#ht_1404wt_1398 :(
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Looks like the scammers are back! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1960-SCOOTACAR-MK1-microcar-/250942439377?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3a6d55bfd1#ht_1404wt_1398 :(
Can't see it !!! :-[
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Can't see it !!! :-[
read what it says, enough people reported it so eBay yanked it:
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What was it that they saw that needed to be reported and then appropriately yanked?
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You can spot over and over again on eBay, not only vehicles. The original listing that finished with a sale had been copied at some point and then later listed by a scammer hoping to make money out of a nonexistent item. No doubt the second ad was reported to eBay by the seller of the first listing or other vigilant people.
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You can spot over and over again on eBay, not only vehicles. The original listing that finished with a sale had been copied at some point and then later listed by a scammer hoping to make money out of a nonexistent item. No doubt the second ad was reported to eBay by the seller of the first listing or other vigilant people.
Very often listed as "classified ads".
Can be good sometimes! Someone listed a schmitt a while ago, and it said "very nice interior by Nick Poll". After it ended, the scamers listed it, so we got twice the ads!
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What was it that they saw that needed to be reported and then appropriately yanked?
There was a single photo copied from the original listing, plus a starting price of £.99 and in the description lots of talk of how to NOT contact the seller through eBay, but instead use the email address that was posted. It had a "Buy It Now" price of £3500 which was far less than the sales price of the "real" listing. However, the "Buy It Now" price was in the description, it was not an "official option" in the listing. So, in other words, you could not simply click "Buy It Now", you had to contact the "seller" first. This alone is a violation of eBay policy.
When I reported it, I simply pointed out the eBay number of the "real" listing to show this was a fake.
How many other people reported it is not known, but I am pretty sure that eBay won't yank stuff on a single report. When something gets multiple reports, then the item gets flagged for manual review.
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Dear Jim
I think we shall have to re name you Jim Yankedit
Chris Thomas
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till today no other car came out of the woodworks, so may be some predictions were wrong.
How many of these MkI in driveable condition are know to exist today, does anybody know?
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Those with running Scootacars are probably happy men and content to have one of the more usable but weird Microcars. There are some investors who would like to capitalise but the cars are as yet not presentable.
I did not look at the bidders but the clever money would attempt to contact the under bidder and cut out eBay and advertising for a cool sale under cover unless there were more than a couple of interested parties. In this market you get one clean chance to sell on the open market. There after you have been exposed to the market and either have to keep advertising with expecting a diminishing offer over time or change the product on offer in a manifest way to renew impact. Being a rare car it is less likely to get piggy back sales like an expensive Schmitt or Isetta. Also no one put another Scootacar against it which often happens with rare cars. Then neither sells or sells well.
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I think you hit the nail on the head. Those with running Scootacars are probably happy men and content to have one of the more usable but weird Microcars. There are some investors who would like to capitalise but the cars are as yet not presentable.
I did not look at the bidders but the clever money would attempt to contact the under bidder and cut out eBay and advertising for a cool sale under cover unless there were more than a couple of interested parties. In this market you get one clean chance to sell on the open market. There after you have been exposed to the market and either have to keep advertising with expecting a diminishing offer over time or change the product on offer in a manifest way to renew impact. Being a rare car it is less likely to get piggy back sales like an expensive Schmitt or Isetta. Also no one put another Scootacar against it which often happens with rare cars. Then neither sells or sells well.
They made 800 Mk1's. Perhaps 50 survive? (an estimate. anyone have any register info as to what's left?) Unlike a Peel they were used in period. Unlike a KR/Trienkel/Isetta some parts are hard work. But you can get round that with some ingenuity.
I'm surprised not one Scoot has come on the market. I know many Peel owners and none will sell. I was also told never sell a Scoot or Peel unless you have bought a better one first.
To me they bridge the gap between a Peel and a German micro. They're quite horrid in some ways but very endearing. Who would test drive a KR etc in '59 and buy a Scoot? So unrefined and the vibration is hard work. No front damping. But they are quite quick.
Perhaps some staunch Brits were determined to buy British. The brochure highlights this. Scoots are very heath robinson in some ways.
I do not expect a flush of Scoots to come on the market. I do expect the owners to keep them in slumber.
At the end of the day they are excellent weird machines. Hmm? a bag of money or a Scoot? I'll take the latter!
I must fix mine actually!
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The bottom line is, anything small round and cute is going to rise in value, nothing new really!
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Thank you for your comments! Fifty out of 800 does not sound a lot that have survived - I guess most of them in your country. Usually on Ebay I see only projects for restauration. It seems to be rare that a driveable car like this is on offer. I like the Scoota as well very much, beautiful and unusual shape and very driveable and rare. They seem to have increased in value a lot during the last years, nevertheless these seem to be good preconditions for a safe and good investment...
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Thank you for your comments! Fifty out of 800 does not sound a lot that have survived - I guess most of them in your country. Usually on Ebay I see only projects for restauration. It seems to be rare that a driveable car like this is on offer. I like the Scoota as well very much, beautiful and unusual shape and very driveable and rare. They seem to have increased in value a lot during the last years, nevertheless these seem to be good preconditions for a safe and good investment...
Please don't quote me at 50. It was just a guess. But they were worthless in the 60's and 70's and just thrown away. The Scootacar was only sold in the UK. Never exported officially. The floors and chassis rotted badly and there is steel bonded to the fibreglass too. This is tricky to fix correctly. A really rotten Scootacar will have a rotten shelf/inner front panels and seat box. Coupled with no availability of kingpins and the special rear sprocket you were going up a dead end quest. Also there is one special track rod out of the four that would be a MOT failure in the day if worn out....
I love the shape too. Especially looking straight at the back. The prototype had no flared front wheel arches and was unstable. So the track was widened as a solution. It looks fantastic from all angles.
If a road legal Scootacar Mk1 (or pile of parts) comes up on Ebay you will be bidding against global collectors I would assume.
Good luck!
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Dear friends
This has appeared on ebay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320885200671&ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:GB:1123
it looks like the same car now being sold from Hemel Hempstead for a buy me now price of £3500 when it originally sold in November 2011 for £15877
Is it me or is something wrong!
Chris Thomas
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another scam listing.
this time I bid on it to get the user's listed name, not that it will do any good as it is usually false.
user id of p52walshuk
name: Paul Walsh
located allegedly from where the listing says it is.
Phone: (I removed the phone number)
note that this could be a real person who has no clue that his identity was stolen.
it could have come from a stolen credit card, so if you call the number, don't do so with the intent of berating the person, perhaps simply ask about the Scootacar.
If a "Paul Walsh" does answer and claims no knowledge of the car, then you might inform him that his contact info is being used on a fraudulent eBay account.
HOWEVER- if you call and he DOES claim to know about the Scootacar, that would be most interesting.
If anyone finds out that this guy had his ID stolen, I will edit this post to remove his information.
The phone number is listed privately in the contact info, not on the listing page. Only that email address that is actually embedded in a JPG.
UPDATE: LISTING HAS BEEN YANKED by eBay. and the seller is no longer a Registered User
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Dear Jim
Thanks for that explanation and the update
Keep your eyes peeled.
Chris Thomas
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Bit of a white Walsh then. There is a job for full time monitoring all this malpractice! Good job there are switched on folk about to nip it in the bud close to home.
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JUst tried to have a look, but the item is removed again !
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For anybody who missed the real one, there was another one sold on Ebay:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Scootacar-SAMS-Handbuilt-model-1-43-/14073609944
for 166.- £ :-)
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i guess i know the one you meant but that link didn't work for me - bobs did though ;D
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The brand SAMS always worried me with instant thoughts of guided missiles. Cold war conditioning and daft. Made some very handy kits of which I have a few that might one day be made up. Of course the hand made ones are in demand and another way to have a Microcar collection.