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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Bob Purton on March 14, 2013, 12:11:18 pm
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Can you identify this car?
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Can't see on my small screen but it looks gallic and somewhat Gordon like - the razor edges are Triumph Mayflower. But I will go with french although I can't see any onions on the handlebars of those bikes. Quite charming bob but not your tasse de te
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Well its May 1955 if the registration is correct to the car and I think it says WEE THREE MOORE SPECIAL on the wind screen
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sorry home now . i only get a small image on the blackberry - quite different with 3 pics. very english !! very 50's very Gordonesque . you lose a lot without the punctuation because it says
" WEE THREE " MOORE SPECIAL so thats what it must be . come on bob where is it -whats that engine ?
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=triumph+mayflower&hl=en&sa=X&rlz=1T4ADRA_enGB460GB460&biw=1366&bih=554&tbm=isch&tbnid=FGituKw9XrBKXM:&imgrefurl=http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/front_website/octane_interact/carspecs.php/%3Fsee%3D1381&docid=BUsNZYVDS7DH3M&imgurl=http://www.classicandperformancecar.com/front_website/octane_interact/modelpicture.php%253Fid%253D2922&w=619&h=312&ei=2gpCUb_LDI_M0AXfnoD4Bg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=144&vpy=237&dur=4633&hovh=159&hovw=316&tx=178&ty=114&page=2&tbnh=126&tbnw=241&start=18&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:25,s:0,i:175
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It is in fact a 'special' that is on the Register No R311 The Wee Three.
DESIGNED & CONSTRUCTED BY LEONARD.MOORE 1950-1955
LEONARD DIED NOV.85 SON BRYAN & GRANDSON IAN HAVE INTEREST IN CAR
NOW HOUSED IN BRATTLE MUSEUM STAPLEHURST
The engine is a Douglas 350 and the car can be seen at Museum in Staplehurst not a million miles away from the Hammond Collection. Jean
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What a load of cheats, fancy reading what it is staright off the windscreen! :D :D :D
I had never really notice but the side and rear view ARE remarkably similar to the Triumph Mayflower. Well spotted, Richard.
What you really need to see to believe its how it steers, if I remember correctly it has a 360 degree circular rack which turns the whole wheel and engine on a kind of turn table. Very quirky and totally over engineered. Well worth a look if anyone is down that way.
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Next time you will have to check your photos interesting vehicle would like to know more about it
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Glad to see it's on the register Jean, is there any more information about it in the archive?
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Wonder if he built several for the crash tests!!
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This car has been featured in RCN so there may be back issues available. As quite a few forum users were unfamiliar with it maybe Chris will have to feature it again or reprint the original article.
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Dear Bob
Good ideal. I will have to get some new photography as the original is long gone, but the words still hold true.
Chris Thomas
Rumcar News
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Which issue was this. By the way do we think bob has delusions of grandeur ? He titled this piece mystery car contest ! Rather than the more usual competition ;)
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A report from deep France; (yep, that's where I am at the moment!)
Right, how can I say this without offending anyone/someone/everyone? Oh well, here goes. Just remember it's not aimed at any individual in particular, just a general statement. Over the past year or so I've noticed a lot of "what's this car" or "What's that car" and "Anyone ever seen this picture before?". In every single case where the aforementioned pictures etc have been put up, I have honestly been able to say to myself "yes, I do know that car/picture etc". I've only been round the micro world eleven years compared to the 20/30/40 years clocked up by some, but I find it's the old stagers (for want of a better expression) who are doing all the asking. Do you honestly really not know what this stuff is?! You've been around anything up to four times longer than I have!!! It should be me asking you what this stuff is! I just find it unfathomable that people who are meant to be enthuastiac about microcars have not made it their business to already know what just about EVERYTHING is....
Is the above really the state of the nation (of the forum, as opposed to RCN the magazine) or am I the odd one out for having gone out of my way to stuff my head with everything possible and accumulated everything I possibly can in relation to the micro world. I do find I have been wondering for a little while now if there is anything new to learn in the micro world as presented here, and the above makes me wonder all the more as the ground we tread at the moment here on the forum should have been the ground we covered long long ago no matter how "new" or "old" to microcars we are.
I confess I don't go a lot on reprinting past articles in RCN. Such venerable publications should keep on pushing the knowlege forward rather than stand still or step back. I made it my business to get complete sets (or as complete as I could get) of just about all the different club & register magazines, in some cases going back to the early 1970s. If one is serious about "the knowledge" of these cars, then get on and find those back issues like we who went before had to do....
But then again, in the words of ol' Blue Eyes; "I did it my way."
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Ah but you are not old enough to have forgotten it all. Equally stuart you are an anorak of the first degree and should get a life ;D
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Equally stuart you are an anorak of the first degree and should get a life ;D
;D There is of course that to it as well... ;D ;) 8)
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Dear Mystery Car buffs
I have been interested in the motoring weird and wonderful since I was at school, and thought I had seen it all, until I stumbled upon the Microcar world, and then realised that there was so much that I did not know.
Just when you think "shurly there is no others to discover" you find there is s whole new branch that has been just out of reach and there is more to discover. No person knows everything, just some know more than others.
I find that once I discover something new, there is the inevitable questions of who designed it, where was it made, what engine did it have, why was it built, what links are there with other cars. It is all the background that makes it interesting as much as the shape of the body itsel,f or how it drives along the road.
The body shape can be automotive sculpture, or it can be as ugly as sin and exceedingly practical. Each has its merits. Similarly we each have a different approach to microcars, either a broad interest, or a dedication to just one vehicle, or the thousand shades a grey in between. Collectively we are the human encyclopedia of microcars. One day it will be recorded in words and images, but for now it is fragmented across collections and in no one place. Trying to learn from each other is what this forum is all about, and long may it continue.
Chris Thomas
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well said that man ! very succinctly put - must send off my subs ;) ( what issue was it someone )
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I cant remember which issue it was from but it is old, probably from the Mike Shepherd era. Jean will know.
I dont really understand Stuart point. People on the forum are at all stages of learning from newbies to old crocks like, well you know who you are! :D
Whats old hat to some is totally new to others, its a bit selfish to say "I know it all, stuff the rest of you!". Not all the back issues are available now and as the others have said not everyone is as tunnel visioned as Stuart is.
When someone posts a picture and says can you identify this car do you really think they dont know what it is? Or course we do, its just to keep conversation going.
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actually being anoraky myself and " working " at my pc at present i looked up mystery car competitions and in fact there have been very very few ! and mostly damned obscure . true i have posted some old photo's and asked about them , these were with the question do you know this photo ? quite a different thing ! the point of featuring obscure prints is that each old photo of a RARE micro can hold a gem of info of great use to that marque enthusiast .
on that point perhaps so as not to annoy /offend stuart ;) perhaps we ought feature no more invalid cars EVER as stuart knows it all !! - HURRAY :D
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Which issue was this. By the way do we think bob has delusions of grandeur ? He titled this piece mystery car contest ! Rather than the more usual competition ;)
That's because I cant spell competition! :D The same way as Chris cant spell " surely"!
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I tended to think that most of these 'what is it?' things were effectively pebble chucking to watch the ripples. Much as caption competitions are in a way. Some know the answer, other do not and get informed, and enthused? The ripples disturb information and can lead to some quite obscure or interesting factoids. On occasions there is a real mystery and the search parties get sent out. That this is getting rarer only goes to show how effective RUM has been in pooling information in the first place. Yet I bet if you got into French Fridges there will be some 50 creations hardly anyone knows about. Half of those will be completely bonkers, which is their charm, and several will be near misses that could have been something really rather good. Time will see the interest develop and good job too even if I am not going to be part of that movement. As in all postings, if your not entertained, move on.
Can I just say Triumph Renown. Do you think I could remember the other razor edge Triumph when the Pilgrim Father's car was mentioned? Bigger and possibly named after HMS Renown that was sent to shoot at said PF's lot when they told Britain they were not playing anymore a bit later on. As we know that did not work out to well for our side. History could have been so different if they had named their boat 'The Wee Three'.
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The Wee Three appeared long before Mike Shepherd was in the 'hot seat', in fact it was No 10 in the Autumn of 1986. The article was written by the grandson of the designer Leonard Moore who lived in Rochester in Kent. It had been his sole means of transport for five year from 1955 to 1960 when a bigger car was needed. However, it was constantly looked after, and restored and back on the Rally circuit in the 1980's and remained road worthy and MOT'd until Leonard died at the age of 81 in November 1985 when it was housed in the Brattle Museum. Unfortunately, the full story , complete with a description of its construction is in RCN No10 which is long since out of print Jean
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well we are well due for either a reprint or a new article entirely . just don't send one to EVERYONE ;)
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Here are the two photographs I received way back in 1984 when the Wee Three was first registered
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I agree with Richard we need to know more about these and others lost to time and out of print
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Oh, I thought It hadn't worked - well here goes lets try the other one they were both taken in Chatham in 1984
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omg i just love it but it definitely gives the Gordon a run for it's money at the ugly bug ball ( youtube it you youngsters )
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Thats a great photo
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Right, how can I say this without offending anyone/someone/everyone? Oh well, here goes. ;D
In my opinion, Stuards comment just sounds a little autistic. I can say that as I was no better years ago. As a Dutch Reliant enthusiast I often knew more about the the cars and it's history then 99% of the enthusiasts I met in the UK. It was that bad that when I interviewed Tom Karen I had to tell him the ins and outs of some of his designs. When Don Pither was still alive I let him know all things wrong in his books... Well, since then I have blocked loads of info that is of no further use in my life. I think classic cars in general are about enthusiasm, enjoying, restoring, driving, meeting people and also nice story's and sometimes the myth and untrue stories that make it look better then it is. I don't care about statistics, '65 indicators on a '66 car... or non original paint-colors. I'm an editor for a classic car magazine for over 15 years now, I've written many, many articles and visited loads of shows en met 1000's of fellow enthusiasts. When I write an article I always turn to the owner. I know lots but never more then the owner... Finally I have to come clean, even as microcar enthusiast and owners, I had no clue what that thing on the picture was, now thanks to this forum I do know and that is nice but does not make me a better person or bigger enthusiast!
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I am fairly anoraky but confess I remember nothing about this interesting car. Then again I am old enough to have had - and forgotten - plenty more hot dinners than some!
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A report from deep France; (yep, that's where I am at the moment!)
Right, how can I say this without offending anyone/someone/everyone? Oh well, here goes. Just remember it's not aimed at any individual in particular, just a general statement. Over the past year or so I've noticed a lot of "what's this car" or "What's that car" and "Anyone ever seen this picture before?". In every single case where the aforementioned pictures etc have been put up, I have honestly been able to say to myself "yes, I do know that car/picture etc". I've only been round the micro world eleven years compared to the 20/30/40 years clocked up by some, but I find it's the old stagers (for want of a better expression) who are doing all the asking. Do you honestly really not know what this stuff is?! You've been around anything up to four times longer than I have!!! It should be me asking you what this stuff is! I just find it unfathomable that people who are meant to be enthuastiac about microcars have not made it their business to already know what just about EVERYTHING is....
Is the above really the state of the nation (of the forum, as opposed to RCN the magazine) or am I the odd one out for having gone out of my way to stuff my head with everything possible and accumulated everything I possibly can in relation to the micro world. I do find I have been wondering for a little while now if there is anything new to learn in the micro world as presented here, and the above makes me wonder all the more as the ground we tread at the moment here on the forum should have been the ground we covered long long ago no matter how "new" or "old" to microcars we are.
I confess I don't go a lot on reprinting past articles in RCN. Such venerable publications should keep on pushing the knowlege forward rather than stand still or step back. I made it my business to get complete sets (or as complete as I could get) of just about all the different club & register magazines, in some cases going back to the early 1970s. If one is serious about "the knowledge" of these cars, then get on and find those back issues like we who went before had to do....
But then again, in the words of ol' Blue Eyes; "I did it my way."
Oh heck. Did I really write the above?! I suppose I must have done as it's my name upon it. Right, I think I owe a general explanation of what seems to be at the root of certain erratic behaviour patterns from me over at least the past six months. This is my first public admitance of this, as for reasons in line with the nature of the fault, I didn't and still don't really regard the diagnostic as a problem as such. Indeed, even my family do not know about the forthcoming. Nor do I wish them to know....
Seven years ago I had a certain personal difficulty which, after a couple of months of erraticness in the previous world I used to occupy before I got into microcars, was traced to (and I quote;) "...a trauma-induced manifestation of a latent strain of otherwise semi-controlled Aspergers Syndrome" I knew I'd always been fixated beyond reasonable requirements on most things in which I was intrested, but apparently, in 2005, it was officially listed as an abnormal mindset. To me personally, I always had, and still do, regard it as my perfectly normal state of existence.
Anyway, to return to the point; In April last year, another somewhat major personal difficulty arose, which I have no intention of disccussing on open forum, which apparently set my mindset off once again. This resulted in Doctors orders to ditch (amongst a few other things) the ICR for at least a year as so not to have the day-to-day running of it inflaming the rising Aspergers re-manifestation. Unfortunately I ignored this advice for some six months, which manifested in mental and temporal conflict between, on the one hand, my need to get away from the ICR for a time, and on the other, an over-riding sense of responsibility because of all I'd done to build it up over the years. This resulted in a certain explosive reaction to a perceived effort to push the invalid carriages off main forum a little while ago which finally (and eventually) made me suddenly get that aspect into proportion.
At the current time, the ICR is semi-mothballed. I still answer enquiries, but restrain myself to no more than two or three a week. My manifested current overly Aspergers mindset is just about under control at the moment, but please note, not entirely as alas the above quoted earlier posting has proved. Thomas a few posts later, was indeed right about what was going on. Bare with me. I'll get back to my own normality soon enough...
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I do not pretend to understand why the Docs wanted you to give up the ICR. It had got to the point of becoming an achievement that deserves to be taken on and developed by someone, even if it is not yourself. If that is what has to be then I guess that is it, but do not loose confidence in a job well done just because no one has shown up to take over. Such volunteers seem to be getting more difficult to find in any sphere of activity. It plays to your skill set as do the number plates. As we talked about the other week there are a lot of things you can do if you want to. Starting things is always more interesting than running them. Like a lot of people there are things that are found very much more difficult to do, though. The trick is to trade off the stuff your good at. Folk think your brilliant then. Your local chums value you for that and for being who you are little buddy. Just many people seem to be going through difficult times of their own round here what with family members pegging out, fiscal probs and so on. It has not been a good year so far. Do not be a stranger.
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A report from deep France; (yep, that's where I am at the moment!)
Right, how can I say this without offending anyone/someone/everyone? Oh well, here goes. Just remember it's not aimed at any individual in particular, just a general statement. Over the past year or so I've noticed a lot of "what's this car" or "What's that car" and "Anyone ever seen this picture before?". In every single case where the aforementioned pictures etc have been put up, I have honestly been able to say to myself "yes, I do know that car/picture etc". I've only been round the micro world eleven years compared to the 20/30/40 years clocked up by some, but I find it's the old stagers (for want of a better expression) who are doing all the asking. Do you honestly really not know what this stuff is?! You've been around anything up to four times longer than I have!!! It should be me asking you what this stuff is! I just find it unfathomable that people who are meant to be enthuastiac about microcars have not made it their business to already know what just about EVERYTHING is....
Is the above really the state of the nation (of the forum, as opposed to RCN the magazine) or am I the odd one out for having gone out of my way to stuff my head with everything possible and accumulated everything I possibly can in relation to the micro world. I do find I have been wondering for a little while now if there is anything new to learn in the micro world as presented here, and the above makes me wonder all the more as the ground we tread at the moment here on the forum should have been the ground we covered long long ago no matter how "new" or "old" to microcars we are.
I confess I don't go a lot on reprinting past articles in RCN. Such venerable publications should keep on pushing the knowlege forward rather than stand still or step back. I made it my business to get complete sets (or as complete as I could get) of just about all the different club & register magazines, in some cases going back to the early 1970s. If one is serious about "the knowledge" of these cars, then get on and find those back issues like we who went before had to do....
But then again, in the words of ol' Blue Eyes; "I did it my way."
Oh heck. Did I really write the above?! I suppose I must have done as it's my name upon it. Right, I think I owe a general explanation of what seems to be at the root of certain erratic behaviour patterns from me over at least the past six months. This is my first public admitance of this, as for reasons in line with the nature of the fault, I didn't and still don't really regard the diagnostic as a problem as such. Indeed, even my family do not know about the forthcoming. Nor do I wish them to know....
Seven years ago I had a certain personal difficulty which, after a couple of months of erraticness in the previous world I used to occupy before I got into microcars, was traced to (and I quote;) "...a trauma-induced manifestation of a latent strain of otherwise semi-controlled Aspergers Syndrome" I knew I'd always been fixated beyond reasonable requirements on most things in which I was intrested, but apparently, in 2005, it was officially listed as an abnormal mindset. To me personally, I always had, and still do, regard it as my perfectly normal state of existence.
Anyway, to return to the point; In April last year, another somewhat major personal difficulty arose, which I have no intention of disccussing on open forum, which apparently set my mindset off once again. This resulted in Doctors orders to ditch (amongst a few other things) the ICR for at least a year as so not to have the day-to-day running of it inflaming the rising Aspergers re-manifestation. Unfortunately I ignored this advice for some six months, which manifested in mental and temporal conflict between, on the one hand, my need to get away from the ICR for a time, and on the other, an over-riding sense of responsibility because of all I'd done to build it up over the years. This resulted in a certain explosive reaction to a perceived effort to push the invalid carriages off main forum a little while ago which finally (and eventually) made me suddenly get that aspect into proportion.
At the current time, the ICR is semi-mothballed. I still answer enquiries, but restrain myself to no more than two or three a week. My manifested current overly Aspergers mindset is just about under control at the moment, but please note, not entirely as alas the above quoted earlier posting has proved. Thomas a few posts later, was indeed right about what was going on. Bare with me. I'll get back to my own normality soon enough...
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRAo5d-btKHkeiVSJHVLZGLG4UHSaEtuQyd7ok4duH8tfylZ0PXhA)
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best of luck with it all stuart :) certainly your mindset doesn't stand out much in this forum
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As Richard says, best of luck, and remember that the best thing for Aspergers is salt and melted butter, nom!
What?
Oh sorry, my mistake. I must have Attention Deficit Disorder! ;D
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Oh sorry, my mistake. I must have Attention Deficit Disorder! ;D
;) My trouble is I pay too much attention to my doings! :o
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I trust that is a Bakelite switch.
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Aspergers, my dad had it, my son has it... why should it skip a generation ;D
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Dear Stuart
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
My wife, who you might say is in the bussiness, has often explained to me that Autism has a wide spectrum, and we are all somewhere on that spectrum. Aspergers and Savont are just names given to particular parts of the spectrum. Nobody is truly nomal. We are all good at something and not at others and we all need to recognise that fact. Everybody thinks that they are in the middle of the spectrum as they judge others from where they are. Some people you meet are a short distance away on the spectrum, while others are a long way away. The further the distance the more noiceable the perceived difference. To a trained practicioner the symptoms of each syndrome can be spotted and recorded,but to the untrained they probably notice things, but do not appreciate the significance. It is assumed that people with autism are not high achievers, when in reality it is the other way around.
For those of us who do not have your ability to research, remember and recall things that interest us, your ability to do so it a thing of wonder. With your explanation I think we can all appreciate your unique abilities better and work with you, with your aims and endevours, rather than against you.
Keep up the good work
Chris Thomas