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General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: Rob Dobie on August 26, 2013, 12:26:21 am
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Looks like P50 has got a Mk 1 up for grabs?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scootacar-Mk1-/151108280487?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item232ec160a7#ht_401wt_1328
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Looks great!
But at that price you could have had an even better conditioned Mark two, plus a very restorable mark one, and cash left over, if you had the fore sight to buy Kerry's cars a couple of months back.
If I had the cash, and didn't already have a very restorable Mark One already- I would have had a duel with their highest bidder.
That said, there would still be no guarantee of result, as I witnessed a bidding war last week that ended with a 27 and a half million dollar sales price. Results of bidding wars are obviously unpredictable.
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And this one?
http://www.prewarcar.com/index.php?option=com_caradvert&view=ad§ion_id=4&id=86773&Itemid=434
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That link does not bring my smart phone to a Scootacar.
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That link does not bring my smart phone to a Scootacar.
It still works OK for me on the computer. I have sent an email to you with the link.
BR Barry
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The guy wants 25K for it. Lets hope we don't lose another one of our rare home grown microcars aboard! ???
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I'm sure you wouldn't care where it went if you wanted the cash. You've done it before! ;D
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So taking a snipe at me aside Rob [your favourite occupation!] , where do you stand on the exporting of the last few Scootacars abroad? Are you for or against?
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That link does not bring my smart phone to a Scootacar.
It still works OK for me on the computer. I have sent an email to you with the link.
BR Barry
Thanks Barry.
I was able to find it after reloading the page on post war cars 5 times, as it was about 45 down, and my smart phone would only show me 10 at a time.
The Scootacar looks great . Funny to see the wheel cover missing on so well prepared a car. Maybe he forgot to put it on.
Are these still available?
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I don't mind where they go as long as they are looked after and the seller gets what he wants for them.
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i had the same problem on my blackberry steven - i spent a LOT of time trying and gave up . these smart phones are not quite that smart .on my laptop the link took me straight to the Scootacar , not the dealers homepage and menu as the blackberry did ,odd
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Well thats how I used to feel until I realised that there are so few left now in the uk , if I decided I wanted one again I would have to pay the crazy price due to the shortage.[and yes, before you Snipe at me again, 20 YEARS AGO I did contribute to this situation!] I know its a free world market out there, another downside of globalization. I don't suppose it matters to you Rob but it does to those in the uk still buying microcars.
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I first tried buying a Mark one in need of restoration from Alan's Unusual Microcars in 1992 for 1800 gbp.
Al sent me lots of pictures of other fascinating micros that had been hitherto unbeknownst to myself.
Including a lightly rolled (door handle punched in) Frisky Family Three, and a well restored Bond for even lesser amounts.
I was trying to put together a package deal, but it was not to be, as Al went to some sort of giant auto jumble in Germany, we didn't have the internet, and international phone calls were really expensive.
After a couple more letters, and a couple of phone call misses, I reluctantly gave up that path.
It took me almost 20 years of trying by staying in touch with Stephen Boyd to finally independently score a mark one that had resided in Canada for a good many years.
In order to get it, I agreed to pay over full price for all 3 micros that the seller had advertised, as he had many interested parties respond on the same day that I saw his ad.
I wanted it so badly, and for so long that I spent nearly 5 times the amount being asked for the car by the time I was able to take delivery of it, and its companions. I do not for a second regret it, as it was the car that I felt I most needed to feel completed.
So Bob, there is another side to the story that you are editing.
I see your point, but it is not the only point of view deserving of consideration.
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I knew you already had one Steven, you have mentioned it before. Re the wheel trims, last time I inquired Steven Boyd has those in stock as well as the centre spinners. If you need some give him a call.
I'm not at all sure what your point is there Steven but I feel strongly about keeping at least some of our home grown microcars in there country of origin, I don't really care who agrees or disagrees. The principal is well founded in British law where by export licenses have to be applied for to export national treasures from these shores. When will people class out microcars as national treasures? When they are all gone I suppose? As I always say, the forum is for giving opinions, this is mine.
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Bob, I know where you're coming from.
A while ago there was a DAF 66 coupe for sale. It was advertised within the community (itself rare these days) for a paltry £1,200 yet it was easily the best remaining example of the remaining half dozen or so left in the UK.
It was for sale for ages until it sold...to an American.
This led to some upset amongst UK owners that such a rare car was leaving the country.
The sad fact is that anyone could have bought that car but decided not to. What as the owner meant to do when someone was lined up with the money?
If you feel strongly and have the money, then buy it. If you don't then you can't really protest against it. Sad yes, but as we say in the DAF community, 'you can't own them all'...
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Oh come on Pete, no one has the money to buy all the cars to keep them in there country of origin, least of all me! There is also a huge difference between £1200 and 25/30K, not that either of those scootacars are going to sell at that anyway! My little campaign is not to control the market like some clubs have tried to do with some success I might add but merely to create awareness as to how few of these cars there are left now in the uk. I would like to think that with this awareness if a seller has the choice of selling the car to someone abroad or in the uk they would choose the latter.
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Granted there is a huge difference. But, there are UK citizens who are prepared to pay millions for a classic Ferrari so the money is out there, just out of the range of you and I. Sadly they chose not to spend their money on a Scootercar. If you have to sell then you have to sell and if the only money is coming from abroad...
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I take your point Pete. The other factor that would make a difference is asking the real value rather than a highly inflated one based on the hysteria that was Bruce Weiners sale.
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The trouble with this way of thinking is you sell it to a so called enthusiast who then resells at vastly inflated prices why should you be the one to give it away!
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Ooh err, I've just gone to an inflation calculator site. Results as follows for three of my cars owned in '76.
Sold in 1976. Peel P50 for £40, now 2013 worth £201.30p. Sold in 1976. Peel P50 for £260, now 2013 worth £1308.44p
Sold in 1977. Tourette for £620, now worth £2693.25p.
That means if I had kept them for the past 37 years they would be worth in today's money, £4202.99p
Hang on! If you could get hold of the genuine cars today the cost to you would be 60 grand (£60,000) plus. Cor! where did I go wrong? ;D ;D
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I knew you already had one Steven
I'm not at all sure what your point is there Steven .
I'm not going to insult your intelligence or level of empathy for other non British human beings wellfare by pretending to accept that you are incapable of comprehending my point.
For sake of clarity of reference, I will recap it. While matters of national pride are not inconsequential, there are other human factors that any one reasonably empathetic to others state of well being should not pretend to be immune to.
If you saw a stranger bleeding on the street, I doubt that you would confirm that he was English before deciding to call an ambulance.
Whilst that is of course an overly extreme example- it does make the point.
It is after all an individual, not a country that buys these cars.
If an individual from a country other than your own is willing to sacrifice more to obtain a vehicle because they feel a greater need for it to allow themselves a happier/ more fulfilled existence- that factor deserves equitable consideration from any civilized and normally empathetic entity. I simply know you well enough to know that you would not be intentionally cruel to an individual, if you allowed your self to see the full panorama of individual emotional well beingness at stake in these situations.
I agree that it would be nice for at least some of the more rare English creations to remain in England/ UK so that they can be appreciated within their country of origin. But if that is indeed the prime motivating factor, then any one representing a museum open to the public should get preference, which ultimately translates to being allowed to purchase for less money, if that is what they need to land the microcar.
And with similar line of reasonings, that museum's degree of exposing the car to the public of both your own locality and that of the world deserves consideration.
Think for a moment about how Bruce Wiener's museum, whilst it was intact, elevated the world's exposure and appreciation for microcars from your country. The fact that he had a well constructed website, was probably at least as influential in spreading the joy of these cars as the fact that they could be visited all at one time.
So as I said before Bob, you have a legitmate point of view, but no single view point of consideration deserves absolute dominance to the point of not being open to other factors that affect the well being of a world's worth of human beings.
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Steven, I think we are on different planets!
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i think perhaps you two will just have to agree to differ :-\
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Well, at least I wasn't the one to insult anyone else's intelligence. ;)
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I'll let you have the last say Steven , as I like you! ;)