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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Bob Purton on March 02, 2008, 12:21:42 PM
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Can you name this one?
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I recognise this car
is it an exibit at Story ?
Will have to get my D.V.D. out to check
john
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1954 Cuno Bistram
Little is known about this attractive little single-seater named after its designer/builder. It seems that the Bistram family was influential and well known in Hamburg.The steel tube ladder frame features independent coil spring suspension, and the 150cc ILO motor drives only one wheel by chain.The original registration papers indicate that it was actually licensed for use on the road.A two-page colour photo of this car was featured in a German Oldtimer magazine, but no history is given, other than that perhaps fifty were built, a number that can
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Well done John, you are getting far too clever!
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Bob will probably know this one,
I name that car in ? notes
But don't jump to conclusions ;-
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Hi John. Is it a Mivalino?
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Hi Bob
Well done ;)
Too easy when we had been looking at the Bruce weiner collection, but couldn't resist it because it is different in a same as sort of way :-
1954 Mivalino
In November 1953 the Italian Mi-Val motorcycle company introduced their own version of the Messerschmitt KR-175 initially called the Messerschmitt-Mival.
It was built from parts imported from Germany, but Mi-Val installed their own 171.7cc engine and called it the Mivalino.
It seems production didn't start until the end of 1954 and probably ended in 1955 or 1956.
Very few of these were built and fewer survive, many Microcar enthusiasts are not even aware that the Mivalino was built at all.
This car came from a family in Italy that owns
the Oldest Ford Dealership in Rome.
They were the original owners and the car has only 200 KM on it.
Manufacturer: Metalmeccanica Italiana Valtrompio s.p.a. Brescia Italy
Model: Mivalino Motor: Motocarrozzetta Body: Steel
Years Built: 1954-1956 No. Cylinders: 1 Chassis: Tube
No. Produced: ~100 Displacement: 171.7cc Suspension Front: Rubber
No. Surviving: ~8 Horsepower: 9 Suspension Rear: Rubber
Length: 2 820 mm Gearbox: 3 fwd Steering: Direct
Width: 1 220 mm Starter: Kick or Pedal Brakes: Cable
Weight: 175 kg Electrics: 6 v 3 Wheels: 4.00 x 8"
Interior: 2 seats tandem Ignition: Coil Top Speed: 90 km/h
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Here we go then peeps with yet another mystery car to get you all scraching your heads. I'm none too sure myself what this is, but I have a theory on what it's related to......
(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z211/stuartcyphus/Mystery-1.jpg)
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Hi Stuart. Is it a Veloto built in France in the early 80th???
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Inacoma is right that Mivalino is not that well known. The Design Museum near Tower Bridge in London has what is usually described as a Messershmitt KR200, but I am pretty sure that it is really a Mivalino. It is the mark 2, with wider track, wheel arches, and bigger windscreen. The dome is white GRP with a small rear window. In the Brooklands Books Messershmitt Gold Portfolio it states that Mivalino introduced the opaque GRP roof due to the hot Italian sun. I guess people's heads must have turned into pork scratchings under perspex!
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Hi
If the one in London is a Mivalino then it's a rare beastie. might be worth checking out.
I think the car Stuart has posted looks like a cross between a Mini Comtesse and a Super Comtesse.
I love it, it looks like Old Mother Hubbards shoe. :)
John
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Looks like we have a winner! As I said, I'm not too sure what this car is all about, but it does seem to have some Comtesse influance in it. The wheels are exacly the same as those fitted to the Mini-Comtesse, whereas the body seems to have details of a Super Comtesse in it, such as the general shape of the door. Plus it's in this plain white colour as were most Comtesse models. It looks too good to be homemade, could it be an Acoma model we don't yet know of......
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Hi Stuart
I think one of these was sold on french ebay about 18 months ago.
I have been trying to find out what it is but can't find my magazine I think it's in (like the London motor show review, but for the French salon about 1985 ish)
I don't think it's an Acoma
Are you going to the Bubble car museum rallly ?
John
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I am, who else is going?
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Hi Bob
See you there then
Which car/cars are you taking?
john
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Hi John. I guessed you ment the Eckythump one an Bayhard leap. The National rally is at a general motor museum, not bubble cars, in fact I dont think they have any microcars at all as I remember but its a great little museum never the less. I will proberbly take the inter to the north of Watford one. Its a difficult chioce because if i take the Inter I wont be able to take it on the run because its not registered yet..
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Hi
It will be great to see you again either with the Inter, or whatever.
My friend who is restoring the KR200 has got to redo the hinge assembly as it wasn't fitted correctly and i think the hinge has to be let in or something, anyway it is improving now.
If you don't go in the Inter, what do you think your next choice will be?
Probably going to go to the other museums meeting as well as it's the National and more local.
I suspect that there will be others on a daily basis, Romsey, Beaulieu jumbles, and Poole/Bournemouth, all being well
See you all soon
john
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Hi John, As I only have two microcars now having sold the AC and letting my friend and neighbor have the Willam [it hasn't gone far and I still play with it!], if I don't take the Inter it will be the messerschmitt. If I can be of any assistance to your chum with his project let me know.
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Cheers Bob
Look forward to seing either of your cars then.
I saw Phil today at the bodyshop where he works, he seems to be getting a lot of advice from club members, and is getting all of the parts together, he had started on the hinge mounting but not realised that I think it is let inbertween the 2 skins or something, so is redoing it.
Did you see the 2 cars for sale on ebay at the mo?
John
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Yes I did. I know the yellow car well. The restoration project red car is scarely expensive when you consider how much needs spending on it to finish it properly, It needs a new floor, side walls, dome, paint job, proberbly an engine rebuild, all new trim ,you name it, One can quite easily spend 5K on something like this. Its a strange thing that ebay sellers like this one write "this is advertised else where so I may remove before the end" ect ect. I emailed this guy and ask him what was his asking price in the advert else where, of course it isnt advertised else where, just gives one the option to withdraw it for any reason. Now you will see in great big letters the comment, "THIS IS AN AUCTION AND WILL RUN TO THE END STOP ASKING ME WHAT I WANT FOR IT BLAR BLAR BLAR. Make up ya mind son , it's one or the other! Oh the joys of Ebay! I hope the Heinkel is still running well John, I look forward to seeing it and maybe even a little ride?
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Hi Bob
Yes I must admit I have put this on things I have advertised on Ebay, like you say it gives you the choice.
I think I must be a bit easy going, because i tend to sell things when someone makes an offer if i think it's fair.
All O.K. with the Heinkel (touch wood)
you are welcome to give it a drive.
John