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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: richard on January 15, 2011, 12:54:59 PM
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on the recent peel topic someone was asking about that lovely grey scootacar . heres another photo taken in the 80's - are these cars still around ?
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on the recent peel topic someone was asking about that lovely grey scootacar . heres another photo taken in the 80's - are these cars still around ?
I have no idea if there still around, but I recognise it. I remember, not long ago, I looked at my dad's photo albums, he had a load of rally pics, that's maybe it.
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Which rally & when would the second pic have been taken at? I've got a few other photos taken possibly in the campsite of that day showing the DESCA Lisa & the blaxk Honda S600 thingy but don't know where & when. My thoughts would be Weston park judging by the trees.
Meanwhile, here's a pic for our own Perry, taken I belive at the very same unidentified rally.... :)
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I remember chatting with the owner of the gray Mk2 on several occasions, I think he came from the midlands, I also remember it coming up for sale at £3000 which seamed a fortune at the time, I just wondered if it was still around. I have loads of pictures of it.
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funny how it suited grey - like the inter . not an obvious colour is it .
reckon the second picture would be Billing Aquadrome - great venue and mike simmonds and i managed to rent an 8 or 10 berth static caravan for the weekend , at VERY reasonable rates . what great fun we had in our red and yellow Trojans , and fantastic weather . but the next time we were there for the National we only got out of our cars for half an hour or so . " Man it poured "
other pics from Billing that same sunny year
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never been to a kent rally so none of my pics from there. heres another scootacar from years before though
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on the recent peel topic someone was asking about that lovely grey scootacar . heres another photo taken in the 80's - are these cars still around ?
The fine line up of Scootacars was taken at the 2000 NMCR at Emberton Contry Park. All still survive but HMF729B (then owned by Dave Briggs) is now part of Jeff Lane's collection. 679NBJ was then owned by Ray Daynes and now owned by Keith Mellors, Stephen Boyd still owns 455PG, 5403UA was owned by David Thomas (I think) at the time but might have been bought around that time by Mike S before changing hands another couple of times.
DAT27C changed hands many times before crossing the pond and being beutifuly restored by Kerry Erindson.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z184/rumcars/1964ScootacarMkIIDeLuxe.jpg)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z184/rumcars/scootacar.jpg)
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Which rally & when would the second pic have been taken at? I've got a few other photos taken possibly in the campsite of that day showing the DESCA Lisa & the blaxk Honda S600 thingy but don't know where & when. My thoughts would be Weston park judging by the trees.
Meanwhile, here's a pic for our own Perry, taken I belive at the very same unidentified rally.... :)
I do remember taking it to one show. Forget where but it was a bit empty. Must have been '05.
The horn is black so I must have just got it.
Soon to be white and splendid again.
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funny how it suited grey - like the inter . not an obvious colour is it .
reckon the second picture would be Billing Aquadrome - great venue and mike simmonds and i managed to rent an 8 or 10 berth static caravan for the weekend , at VERY reasonable rates . what great fun we had in our red and yellow Trojans , and fantastic weather . but the next time we were there for the National we only got out of our cars for half an hour or so . " Man it poured "
other pics from Billing that same sunny year
Nice, I've had a lap in BOTH known Felber's!
The fixed wing one with split screen, and seperate wing with 1 piece screen.
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lucky you ! i have at least SEEN them both ;)
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reckon the second picture would be Billing Aquadrome - great venue and mike simmonds and i managed to rent an 8 or 10 berth static caravan for the weekend , at VERY reasonable rates . what great fun we had in our red and yellow Trojans , and fantastic weather .
Fascinating reflections on Rally venues. I was appalled by Billing Aquadrome, promptly had hassle from staff on arrival and generally felt it to be really negative for the vibe as public got in the way, stuff got knicked, killer duckling squads ate everything unattended and the many bars available split up the evening crush in one venue I think is so important to the National. So much were we not amused that we BUMS refused to camp next time and used a chums house at Raunds instead. The Raunds bit was a blast which made the Rally a bit of bore. After this we decided we would refuse to participate in any further events at that venue. It just shows you cannot please everyone no matter where you find as a venue. The Bond Owners Club on the other hand have habitually used it as a venue for a camping weekend in the passed. I am quite sure it was not to stop the BUMS attending!
For me Weston Park was the best venue. Space, space and more space for mucking around and a great county to tour round. Toddington would have been brill if only the local politics had not seen various wonderful ideas and promises ditched for no good reason. The Tony Marshall Olney one was very good too.
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Scootacar owners, stand by your Villiers. There is to be a Scootacar Rally near Kings Lynn this year, date yet to be firmed up but looks like Mid June avoiding other events. Backed by Mr Scoot himself, Stephen Boyd, and to be held on a couple of square miles of private airfield. This will be a drive, drag or shovel your Scootacar to get it to the event so that there will be more Scootacars in a place than since the factory closed. I will be taking the Mk2 unless I turn up runner.
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Scootacar owners, stand by your Villiers. There is to be a Scootacar Rally near Kings Lynn this year, date yet to be firmed up but looks like Mid June avoiding other events. Backed by Mr Scoot himself, Stephen Boyd, and to be held on a couple of square miles of private airfield. This will be a drive, drag or shovel your Scootacar to get it to the event so that there will be more Scootacars in a place than since the factory closed. I will be taking the Mk2 unless I turn up runner.
Al,
Approx how many do you think are left and how many of them are actually goers?
I'd take mine naturally calender permitting.
Footnote. Only time my scoot's broke down was on a national road run. Mr K had a spare plug and off I scooted!
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Approx how many do you think are left and how many of them are actually goers?
I really do not know. Certainly quite a few have left the UK and of these quite a few seem to now be running examples. There are also various 'sheds' that periodically change hands waiting for some noble fellow to actually restore the thing. Lets be in no doubt that two squares miles is going to struggle to be full of Scootacars but by getting them together much can be done for those running and those rotting as we can look, learn and come away motivated to improve our own individual example of what I still think is a much underrated Microcar. Certainly as usefull as a Messerschmitt or Bond for those of a Villiers persuasion. I am not organising the event but I am keen that it should be a success and get as many Scootacars in one place as possible if someone is prepared to put the effort in.
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Approx how many do you think are left and how many of them are actually goers?
I really do not know. Certainly quite a few have left the UK and of these quite a few seem to now be running examples. There are also various 'sheds' that periodically change hands waiting for some noble fellow to actually restore the thing. Lets be in no doubt that two squares miles is going to struggle to be full of Scootacars but by getting them together much can be done for those running and those rotting as we can look, learn and come away motivated to improve our own individual example of what I still think is a much underrated Microcar. Certainly as usefull as a Messerschmitt or Bond for those of a Villiers persuasion. I am not organising the event but I am keen that it should be a success and get as many Scootacars in one place as possible if someone is prepared to put the effort in.
Splendid. This is a very narrow avenue of the micro scene.
Attendence figs will be pro-rata. But it may not occur again (if ever) so if owners can be bothered and motivated it will be a really bespoke bash.
I can bring my pair of NOS LEP's to tittilate! (MK1 types only..)
As for underrated I think that point is long passed (witness this grotter making nearly £8k http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300502691306&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) Not as refined as the mass produced isettreinkalsmitt machines but wacky
and endearing.
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Will none scoot owners be able to attend?
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We live in diverse Britistan! All are welcome. Even Blind Ghanian one legged single mother lesbians!
Just need to have an interest in the Scoot.
I speak for me but it's unlikely others would object.
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can i come if i bring my original copy of Balkan Roads to Istanbul? ;D :D
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I use to knock around in a Scootacar mk 3 LGO 61D. On one trip back from Norfolk it conked out near Romford onto one cylinder due to the silencer being blocked with carbon. I removed the silencer, whacked some holes in it with a screwdriver and hammer. That sorted it. It's quietest run was taking Big Al to Norfolk or Suffolk to view a load of Goggos many years ago. Al's bulk moulded to the inside shape of the bodywork and acted as brilliant sound deadening. Those were the fun days. I still know of a Scoot in SW London, must chase it up. I'm in UK at the moment but back to France tomorrow. Nick.
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funny how it suited grey - like the inter . not an obvious colour is it .
reckon the second picture would be Billing Aquadrome - great venue and mike simmonds and i managed to rent an 8 or 10 berth static caravan for the weekend , at VERY reasonable rates . what great fun we had in our red and yellow Trojans , and fantastic weather . but the next time we were there for the National we only got out of our cars for half an hour or so . " Man it poured "
other pics from Billing that same sunny year
Im sure it was at Billing aquadrome, because i was there and i saw the white peel OSU758 which i purchased a couple of years later
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I use to knock around in a Scootacar mk 3 LGO 61D. On one trip back from Norfolk it conked out near Romford onto one cylinder due to the silencer being blocked with carbon. I removed the silencer, whacked some holes in it with a screwdriver and hammer. That sorted it. It's quietest run was taking Big Al to Norfolk or Suffolk to view a load of Goggos many years ago. Al's bulk moulded to the inside shape of the bodywork and acted as brilliant sound deadening. Those were the fun days. I still know of a Scoot in SW London, must chase it up. I'm in UK at the moment but back to France tomorrow. Nick.
I thought it was weird seeing my name when I didn't type it!
Dad, you forgot to sign out on my account, and log on to yours ;)
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For a car sharing public toilet interior paintwork Looe is an ideal place to sell from. So it is conclusive that this car actually sold? Apparently it is little better condition than when Martin MacKeever sold it on for a farthing yonks age after finding it in NorfolK somewhere. So restored correctly this car will need to see about £12-15k. Roughly the value of British Schmitts. Interesting but I would not be a buyer. For those prices I would be looking to compete in cheap motorsport as it is a better return for your bunts per vibe.
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For a car sharing public toilet interior paintwork Looe is an ideal place to sell from. So it is conclusive that this car actually sold? Apparently it is little better condition than when Martin MacKeever sold it on for a farthing yonks age after finding it in NorfolK somewhere. So restored correctly this car will need to see about £12-15k. Roughly the value of British Schmitts. Interesting but I would not be a buyer. For those prices I would be looking to compete in cheap motorsport as it is a better return for your bunts per vibe.
Certain members of British society happen to like spending their time in public toilets.
Hehe.
Footnote.
What's value of one car got to do tenuously with anything else? What's a racing car got to do with a microcar?
It's like saying I would buy a 1990 Mini Cooper but as I don't see the value in it I'm going to buy a mountain bike.
It's absurdly polarised.
How many old school luddites would pay for a car at todays prices? Probably none. Harking back to a day when you could buy a runner for a tenner.
However I'm sure the same types if they happen to have a few goodies stashed away would NOT market them for a song.
You can't have it both ways...
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What's value of one car got to do tenuously with anything else? What's a racing car got to do with a microcar?
It's like saying I would buy a 1990 Mini Cooper but as I don't see the value in it I'm going to buy a mountain bike.
It's absurdly polarised.
The value is, tenuously, £15k, for which I can apparently buy a restored Scootacar now. I can drive this car to several microcar events and round my parish. Or I can build my trials car and/or Saab rallycar, for instance, and have a budget to take part in various events, afford to repair it and drive it round my Parish.
Or I can park either machines and look at them, all shiny like, and not use them at all.
Yes it is a polarised option but it is mine to make and I chose the trials car/Saab as I cannot see £15,000 worth of driving in the Scootacar.
If you park them up and do not use them the Scootacar is better value.
One is an investment in usage for out and out fun, the challenge of competition wins out, the other an investment in an ornament to impress, Scootacar wins. Do I have a Bath or Shower or do I have a hot tub not plumbed in as my doctor says I should not use it because of my dodgy leg. Puts the value of the house up though. Choices, choices.
Personally I think we ought to be racing Microcars actually. No Gov interference, like Lawn Mower racing and a use for cars many seem to find they cannot drive on the road. It would be a great way of using up the poorly restored cars needing rubbed out or redone correctly. It would incease the value of the good cars, unless you created a winning machine which would sell to a wealthy guy wanting instant results. This value enhancement would meet with approval from some quarters. A class for replicas would be included. Heretical ideas I am sure but more interesting than forever stood in a field looking at a line of parked cars with a back drop of campervans tenuously present as part of the microcar scene!
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Will none scoot owners be able to attend?
I have no idea of the entry requirements but I cannot see why it would be restricted access though it is being held on private land so potentially undesirables could be asked to leave. Not sure I know who is undesirable since I am going!
I assume the idea is to have several run outs. I imagine a BBQ would be on for the evening as there is no other facilities. Might be allowed to cut the turf and have a proper fire.
The status of campers I am less sure about as the camping area is at least a mile across a field. Certainly it is an active airstrip so the runway area has to be kept clear. The field is impassible to vans and such if the weather has been damp on experience. Cars do not sink in if they are unloaded, the right sort and/or driven correctly. When dry no probs and we have driven buses around the field playing bail football. The BUMS will more than likely kip in one of the hangers or something. It maybe the campers, if present, will prefer to loiter near the entrance so they have easy access. Thinking on it someone will need to be there to operate the gate as it has to be locked to prevent access to the runway. Not sure that has been thought about.
The other issue I can see is no bog as The Grim Ripper broke the only one last event there. That means a run to town for sitting activeties unless something else is organised! We did not see this as a prob as it is a car rally which kind of means you have a car present that you want an excuse to drive. Maybe the first trip out will be to nick a chemi karsi for the weekend! Well they look a bit Scootacarish.
Anyway we will see what the organiser Captain Bondseye comes up with.
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Al, Ever driven a Dellow?
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Yes my chum had one and I did a local off road trial as a bouncer. Great fun. My Trials car is someones idea of a Dellow crossed with a Lotus. I would like to find out some history of it. It is registered in Croydon but seems to have always been owned by a Dr Briearley up your way, I think it was Burnley. Dave and I wondered if there was a Trojan connection as some of the guys at the factory moonlighted or went into building specials. I love the plate as it is ideal for a weird mud plugger YOY (Why oh why!). It would have had a Ford sidevalve engine but that is gone. I have a 100E donor car but toyed with putting an Alfa 2 lt twin cam in it. I think the chassis might not handle the excitement though. Another idea was to put a Tatra engine in, just because it is silly and sounds nice. Despite the V8 it is a lot less power than the Alfa. However these old specials are gaining a following so I think I might stick to Ford as their could soon be a category for them away from things like modern Cannons, Trolls etc. It was a lot cheaper than a Dellow but potentially a better machine for the task in hand.
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What's value of one car got to do tenuously with anything else? What's a racing car got to do with a microcar?
It's like saying I would buy a 1990 Mini Cooper but as I don't see the value in it I'm going to buy a mountain bike.
It's absurdly polarised.
It would be a great way of using up the poorly restored cars needing rubbed out or redone correctly.
That'll be 95 % of all microcars then!! Harking back to the day when one article in Karotips advocated bending a bit of ally 90 degrees and pop riveting it to the rotted floor and side of a KR. No wonder they were usually scrapped. Papering over the cracks.. As you know Mr H redoing a nasty bodge up is soul destroying.
Let's have a grand micro banger race. Lord Cyphus will obviously win.
Which takes me up another tangent. We all know a Rover P5B and XJ6's are very stronge on the track.
I wonder what the strongest micro would be? BMW 600 I assume. Pay your money and watch thrills and spills at NMCR's yearly smashfest!
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witness this grotter making nearly £8k
Whilst Scoot estimates have risen, eBay's notorious for elevating sales via unscrupulous means! There was another one that appeared on eBay about a year prior to this example, that vanished mid auction reportedly going for a fraction of the sum.
Swings and roundabouts! ;D
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That would also be my take on Scoot prices.
Al, 100E lump with an aquaplane head, wouldnt that would be a suitable period set up for your trials car?
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That is the problem. Aquaplane and similar whizzo bits are all really rather expensive. I have Bellamy front axle and brakes but not the wheels. It is cheaper bolting something better in that is cheap power but then it is not period. Could go down the Alvis route with a dead one I have with ID. Hey ho, its a tricky choice.
I was not thinking of banger racing Microcars but certainly had some that might have been used. Need a skip to collect all the filler! BMW 600 is a bit over engineered and I am pushed to thinck of a better car, partly as I do not really like them. Not sure any sort of Peel would last long unless Root is going for a lexan moulded version with popmatic driver! That would be hard to beat.
You cannot beat unmolested cars for a full and accurate restoration. Sadly they are few now.