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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: daughter of bamby on January 27, 2011, 05:56:06 PM
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does anyone know what is the fastest a microcar has ever travelled? is there a land speed record set for a 3 wheeler of 50cc ???? if there isnt a record, then i may set the precedent at some point in the not too distant future. ;)
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As microcars are a nominal group rather than a specific, precisely defined entity, I don't think you can have a land speed record for them. The fastest 50cc motorbike is currently the Buddfab Streamliner at 145.039 mph.
http://buddfab.net/buddfabhomepage.html (http://buddfab.net/buddfabhomepage.html)
I think the fastest three wheeler is still the Spirit of America at 526.277 mph.
There is also that streamlined Messerschmitt KR200, not sure what records it broke or what other three wheeler has broken them since.
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Have a look at the FIA's site on records. There's a few in the A1 class held by Velam which I assume is the same machine shown on this site
http://www.whirlingpool.com/isetta/velam/ (http://www.whirlingpool.com/isetta/velam/)
http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/records/Pages/Introduction.aspx (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/records/Pages/Introduction.aspx)
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the record breaking schmitt was somethin like 64 mph average over a 24 hr run, more an endurance than a speed record i would say,apparently anyone can create there own category in speed records,so i propose a 3 wheeler 50cc category,going to look into it with the various governing bodies but the plan is to build one of our 2/3rd schmitts as the record breaking car and see what dizzy speeds can be achieved over a measured mile.
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I guess the fastest usual microcar is the fantastic FMR TG 500. Better known as " Messerschmitt TIGER "
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I own a three wheeler with a verified top speed of 167 mph. It's body is quite compact and it's frontal area very small indeed, but with it's engine displacement a tad over 1000cc would probably not be considered a micro.
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Err, No, not in europe it wouldnt!
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But could it be a mini?
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Hi Steven, What is the car out of interest?
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How about the Lloyd Roland, I saw it in action at Goodwood one year and it's certainly micro, but has a top speed in excess of 150 km/h - or 95 mph.
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That looks good Mike. I'm guessing its powered by a Lloyd but what cc is it? I wonder if the Berkeleys would be contenders, the B95 was supposed to reach 95MPH and the B105 respectively although I think the 105 was powered by a 750cc Enfield constelation engine so thats over the limit if you accept the 700cc limit, I would still like to know which lawgiver set it at that and why.
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All micros would seem to fall into category A of the FIA's regulations. There they are split into several groups and classes determined by
1. Engine type: - 2 or 4 stroke, diesel or rotary (all with or without supercharger) or hydrogen
2. Engine capacity - up to 250cc, 250cc to 350cc, 350cc to 500cc and 500cc to 750cc.
Then for each of these sub groups there are individual records for at least 13 distances (from 1/4 mile to 1000 miles) and times (1hr, 6hr, 12hr or 24hr)
The Lloyd streamliner is still listed as the record holder for Group 1 (2 or 4 stroke with supercharger ) Class 1 (250cc to 350cc) for both 5000km (70.930mph) and 5000Miles (69.660mph) both set in October 1959 and 24hrs (69.570mph) set in May 1954
there's more info about the Lloyd here
http://www.borgward-ig.de/cms/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=18&Itemid=66 (http://www.borgward-ig.de/cms/index.php?option=com_phocagallery&view=category&id=18&Itemid=66)
or translation http://tinyurl.com/68r4elo (http://tinyurl.com/68r4elo)
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Great pics of the Lloyd, still seems bigger then when I stood next to it, must dig out my photos...
I'm guessing its powered by a Lloyd but what cc is it?
Initially 350cc later improved to 386cc, more info here: http://classics.com/techno06.html
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omg !! Guess what engine drives my Bruetsch - the 386cc Lloyd engine from 1954/5. and further guess who has a spare engine ;) watch out for any speed attempts . unfortunately Deutsche Kleinwagen tells me to only expect 13 hp and 110km/hour .
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Hi Steven, What is the car out of interest?
I thought you'd never ask.
Why its the Badsey Bullet prototype of course! (http://www.badsey.com/assets/images/bullet1.jpg), (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/.../1979+Badsey+Bullet.bmp).
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thanks for the link rusty chrome . nice little article translated . why do the continentals do things so much better than us . lunchbreak and time to tune the carb etc and time for wine ,bread and cheese. germans at a meeting in France. you just know if we did it in England it would be a burger van or a buttie from a petrol station - just doesnt sound the same does it :)
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not sure if anyone might be interest but an english seller has german diecast models of the Lloyd record breaking car on ebay now . dont know how to post links but just search Lloyd record breaking on ebay
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Why of course, its the Nobel GTRS!
On a more serious note, how apout that speedy car from the dec 2010 issue of take off?
That 3 wheeler that went over 150 mph, the Badsey Bullet.
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Take Off and KaRoScene have just had an item on the Badsey Bullet published. What a co-incidance. Few made and I would think something of a collectors item.
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I guess the fastest usual microcar is the fantastic FMR TG 500. Better known as " Messerschmitt TIGER "
I guess the fastest usual, modern microcar around a race track would be the Mazda Autozam AZ-1/Suzuki Cura. They are about about 10 and a half feet long and just a tad over 3 and a half feet tall. Mid mounted engines that are 660 cc 3 cylinder 4valve per cylinder double overhead cam units with both turbocharging and intercooling. The gull wing doors don't make them any faster, and are a pain in the tush to get out of- but all in the name of cool fun.
At about 9 or 10 thousand rpms these Little screamers are actually very competent track burners, but I haven't clocked a top speed yet.
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Thanks for promoting me to Collector status.
After my 2 day fruitless debacle with the Carvers I can use a little accolade thrown in my direction.
On a more significant note- How can I see these articles in "Take Off" and "KaroScene"?
In lieu of the fact that I am unfamiliar with these publications- I was not able to get any where with google searching them as I am not even aware as to what segment of what industries they cater to.
In any event I'd appreciate the opportunity of seeing and possibly correcting their data. For I have spent most of the rest of my spare time over the last 2 months cleaning up some fiddly interior bits and panel fits on the Badsey Bullet prototype that was driven by Mario Andretti at Indianapolis at 165 mph.
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Take Off is the magazine of the Messerschmitt Enthusiasts Club. KaRoScene is the website on www.messerschmittclub.org.uk I think it is. Not sure if the item is on general view or restricted. Tony Yates researched the item after I mention the machines at clubnight near Badsey, Worcestershire. His email appears on the website so you can talk to him direct if you want.
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A friend of mine does/did hold world speed and economy records for his car, really a suitcase sized chassis powered by a model aeroplane engine of below 10cc. He made super low friction wheel bearings and transmission for it and was in the Guinees Book of Records for a few years.
Of course, my Drum Car is the fastest drum kit in the world!
Gwenda Stewar set a LSR in a Morgan 3 wheeler in the 30s, with 116 mph and 1 or 1.1 litres, extremely impressive for the time.