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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Big Al on March 28, 2011, 08:28:03 AM
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Having sorted through some 100 odd loose number plates from the years of salvaging cars from hedges, sheds, scrap yards and number plate dealers I have just sorted through them with the help of young Root. He has gone off with the ones that have no life left in them, I am left with some to check out further and live ones including machines forgotten about. However in this stuff were some live original number plates plates that escaped supply with the car when it was sold on. So attention if you know the owners of.
Isetta - 604 TKJ ex of Groomfondles yard and currently on the road - hurrah.
Isetta - 349 VMF
Trojan - 193 FCR did this car go to Bob Cotton at one point? I recall a cock up over that cars ID.
NSU Prinz - ONX 840F plates with Stuart
It should be possible to re unite these old plates with their original cars
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Groomfondle? Sounds like Vroomfondel from the National Union of Philosophers in the Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy ;D
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Having sorted through some 100 odd loose number plates from the years of salvaging cars from hedges, sheds, scrap yards and number plate dealers I have just sorted through them with the help of young Root. He has gone off with the ones that have no life left in them, I am left with some to check out further and live ones including machines forgotten about. However in this stuff were some live original number plates plates that escaped supply with the car when it was sold on. So attention if you know the owners of.
Isetta - 604 TKJ ex of Groomfondles yard and currently on the road - hurrah.
Isetta - 349 VMF
Trojan - 193 FCR did this car go to Bob Cotton at one point? I recall a cock up over that cars ID.
NSU Prinz - ONX 840F plates with Stuart
It should be possible to re unite these old plates with their original cars
I have an NSU Prinz UCD 840J which are the wrong plates for the car. I am looking for the right plates for this car. My actual car was produced the day before UCD 840J so I am looking for a J plate.
I have the proper engine and chassis numbers:-
Prinz 4 chassis number 0511 016 277 production date 16.11.1970 engine number XA 16 423 colour Targa Orange. = The details on the V5 that relate to UCD 840J
Prinz 4 chassis number 0511 016 289 production date 17.11.1970 engine number XA 16 277 colour Targa Orange. = The numbers on my car (Engine has been changed to 47312414 at some time)
Any information on Prinz chassis number 0511 016 277 (or where Engine XA 16 423 is) would be helpfull.
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It was supposed that orange P4 was a special addition to make profit from the TT. Not sure about that as it seems not as rare a colour as first hinted. That said there have been three or four of these P4 that have shuffled round eBay over the last 5 or 6 years regularly. Some even seem to have accreted in one place together several times, like here. Do not recall that number but my memory for NSU numbers id very poor. I never stooped to swapping numbers but I know other owners that did. All this wheeler dealing is only to likely to bring up a situation like yours with a dead cars live V5 record being grafted to a similar unregistered live car. In theory you can buy the V5 history of the registered car from DVLA. Going back might lead to the crossover but it is not really something someone is going to admit to. No idea if the NSUOC have a register. They did not when I had all my Sport Prinz and Spiders but a private one was created by Rob Spurgeon. Lost touch with him. I have two spare 1000 chassis and NSU 1000TT (S) stuff but no P4 left.
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These days the numbers have to match so that the MOT is valid and the Insurance pays out when the brakes fail on a Zebra crossing.
So I thought I should try to get the proper registration number reinstated.
I am in touch with DVLA and the NSU club have been fantastic.
I didn't know that there was an association between the orange colour and the TT.
I have the history of the car with the Registration number UCD 840J from Lewes record office but as I dont know the proper registration of the car which sits in my garden, I have to deal with DVLA.
I don't want to restore it just to find out it was stolen.
We shall see.
Any information from anyone would be appreciated.
NSU club dont have a record of my car but I will tryto find out the wherabouts of Rob Spurgeon.
Barry
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The matching numbers is bureaucraticly important of course. Unfortunately DVLA offers the public no way to check a chassis number unlike many quasi Government agencies and the insurance industry. I have never understood why this is as you have rightly identified that you wish not to own a stolen car. The chassis number is the car. The registration number is rented from the Government. Which record do you think is likely to be of more interest and use to the potential owner of a vehicle? So the anti theft campaign falls at the first hurdle since it is really not too important against revenue collection. Like you I own various cars, bits and so on I cannot identify as while I have all other information I do not know the registration number that may now have been moved to another vehicle for a fee to the State. Who was it preventing and not stealing again, please? The system stinks.
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I don't hold out much hope of a positive response from DVLC.
I must tick this box though.
What can they do, force me to scrap it, or issue another fresh age related plate perhaps.
For that I will need an MOT no doubt.
We will see and what will be will be.
I had a Lambretta stolen in about 1980. reg RPU 165R (reregistered Italian Lambretta from about 1965)
I still have the log book
If I ask DVLC to check for the frame number and it appears on a lovely restored GT200 Lambretta, does it still belong to me?
Barry
(Mums Fiat 850 sports in the background - she thought it seemed fast, then we told her that it was the rev counter at 3000 which she thought was 30mph)
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The mistery of my incorrect chassis number may be resolved!
I have had the car inspected at VOSA Ipswich. A very friendly chap. He confirmed the Engine and Chassis numbers.
We also noticed that the ignition key number was the same as that on the sales docket I found in the glove box.
Speaking to Swansea, two NSU Prinz cars, both orange, were registered with the same Chassis numbers and same Engine numbers.
They would not tell me the registration number of the other car but it looks like it had the correct numbers. My 289 chassis was never registered.
Barry
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Its a new car! An interesting tale but none the less you do not know if what you are told is correct or just convenient to DVLA. I am willing to bet you will be offered no proof. Conversely we have a situation here of a clear infraction of the rules, a miss sold car minus its number and a pretty good set of supporting information. Report to Police, DVLA, VOSA, LVLO, and Trading Standards and its pass the parcel with no one responsible to round up the perpetrators and sort it out. So he gets away with it. Whatever rules are in place are effectively meaningless. These agencies are staffed by the same people who today are striking about how hard done by they are to have to work harder after the crunch. What you mean like everyone else? Sympathy, none. Answer, sack a few more useless ones if they have time to wonder the streets looking untidy. That's my job and I do it for free.
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Carefull what you say Al, you owned this car once and sold it on!
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I wonder if I will get a new 2011 number then - that will be interesting. Hopefully I will just retain the old number and the correct Chassis No. will go in the V5.
I don't think you should undermine our very very hard working Public sector workers. My mother worked in the Vehicle licencing office and sometimes she had to process as many as three tax discs in one morning.
In the planning office the other day, one of the three receptionists had to stay on the counter in case a customer turned up! whilst the other two made a 10th cup of coffee.
Why should one have to work whilst the others make coffee, its just not right.
In any case, the public sector are on a very low wage, thats why they have good pensions early retirement, loads of holiday, compulsory sick leave, staff training days, time off to eat cream cakes, etc.etc.etc.
If I wanted a pension equivalent to a public sector worker I would need to pay about 25% of my wages in to it. They are rightly complaining at 8% and we should all understand there dilema.
I am more than happy to make up the extra 17% from my tax, arn't you?
In any case nearly 50% of the public support the strike - ref research carried out outside Southend-on-Sea Civic Centre.
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Are you going to put this rather interesting NSU on the Register ? Jean
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Dear Jean
I have beaten you to it this time, it's regisered already No.1212
I do have another Acoma Super Comtesse though, so I wlll be in touch shortly.
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Looks like you've created your very own rally field there Barry! ;D
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Still room for a few more but need a big barn I think - they don't stack well in the garage.
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Carefull what you say Al, you owned this car once and sold it on!
Did I? I have 'had' three orange P4 from memory. If I had to choose this would be the one the guy bought from eBay and underpaid for. I think I got it from MIke O'Balance. The buyer was clearly interested in something more than the car and a dealer type as he made no attempt to drive the car and left the numberplate behind along with some other bits - so I earned my underpayment back. This car later turned up on eBay again about 6 months later and with a second identical car with the same owner but apparently not the one I sold it to over Gloucester way but in Lincolnshire or Norfolk from memory. I remember thinking it was the same car as it had the same spot lights on it.
One of the other ones was from Mike Ford and I arranged the deal to a Microcar owner who just happens to be from Essex who then failed to pay me for it since he had the car in hand! So NSU are not the best things to trade in as not only are they not worth much but people do not like paying for them! I will not comment on the Essex bit further as it is an old chestnut.
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Well I could give a potted history of the car and its last four owners but as its none of my business and Barry might not like it I wont! Suffice to say, the Essex buyer who "didnt pay" tells the story very differently. Water under the bridge and all that.
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Oh I should have paid him as well, cleaned it, delivered it complete with a tank of fuel no doubt? Clearly he has not 'forgotten' the debt but I have never been privileged to an explanation and so understood even if I did not agree, unlike half of Essex apparently. That nugget just makes it a worse situation. Since the deal was a subject and a creation of my traders trust I would say that has been thoroughly abused wouldn't you. Indeed water under the bridge but the water carried off quite a few opportunities that would otherwise have been happily open to our shy and my erstwhile chum in its current so we all lost out in the end. Ridiculous. Meanwhile I'll pop my dart board target backed tee shirt on for the rallies again. Anyone would think I was seriously unreasonable that all this back ground chunter goes on with the odd knife slung from cover for good measure. One bloke is still moaning about an incident from 1987 which I lent over backwards to sort out. I learned not to bother if I saw the signs after that, move on. This guy's life at events partially revolves round telling anyone this tale if they will listen, so he has not, though nice camper mate! Fortunately I am past caring pretty much as I do not look to trade any more but as Root will advise it makes rallies a strange shark smiling experience, see his experience at Bath last year. Will Root bother with it this? I hope so as he need not be involved.
Secondly it confirms my feeling that information is perhaps best kept under wraps as it can be used against you despite the best of intentions. The exact opposite of what a club is for unfortunately.
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I get it all the time Al with the antiques dealing, the trade are pretty good on the whole but every now and then when dealing with the public you get someone you just cannot please, what ever you do or say you end up the villain!
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The answer is simple. Don't deal with the public! I have to say it works but only if you have good trade contacts or money from elsewhere coming in. That said it is a growing trend. I know a lot of folk who do not deal with retail and Peter Public, though home internet retail is on the up. He is to expensive to service with a premises legally in many cases. Example - restoring Microcars. You would have thought there would be a number of folk cashing in on their skills. The reality is of the few that do many are very picky about who they work for and do so privately. Consequently there are lot of cars out there restored by non micro people who get them wrong or charge a lot of money to get it right, or both. There are also a lot of cars owned that will never be restored until or unless they change hands as the owner has not the skill, the will or the cash and contacts to pull a restoration off. Of the few 'open market' restorers you hear endless tales of bounderism which I tend not to repeat as who knows the real story? All I can say is these blokes must have skins thicker than a rhino to put up with it for often meagre returns as an hourly rate and I do wonder if they are 100% covered for what they do or rely on their undoubted intelligence to keep one step ahead of the bullshit brigade with their clipboards and fees. Its a lifestyle but one I decided to reject on being able to do so.
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Having sorted through some 100 odd loose number plates from the years of salvaging cars from hedges, sheds, scrap yards and number plate dealers I have just sorted through them with the help of young Root. He has gone off with the ones that have no life left in them, I am left with some to check out further and live ones including machines forgotten about. However in this stuff were some live original number plates plates that escaped supply with the car when it was sold on. So attention if you know the owners of.
Isetta - 604 TKJ ex of Groomfondles yard and currently on the road - hurrah.
Isetta - 349 VMF
Trojan - 193 FCR did this car go to Bob Cotton at one point? I recall a cock up over that cars ID.
NSU Prinz - ONX 840F plates with Stuart
It should be possible to re unite these old plates with their original cars
Somewhat older thread but nice to see that 604 TKJ hasn't only been saved from the scrappy but is described as 'absolutely mint through out'. On evilbay now.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/bmw-isetta-300-bubble-car-/270980815400?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f17b71a28#ht_500wt_951