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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: richard on October 15, 2011, 10:51:57 AM
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many thanks to those , one on this site , who have helped me to get the new Bruetsch chassis plate . i have been trying for several years since i found the correct plate on a German website. the company are the most awkward to deal with and seemed , despite emailing back to me in english once after my german enquiry ;), disinterested in any enquiry from outside Germany
anyhow i now have the plate !as per the Bruetsch Zwerg in the uk so that will do me . it is a generic plate that herr bruetsch would have bought " off the shelf " the bottom two boxes appear to be axle weight , front and rear - left blank -presumably for goods vehicles only.
are the two boxes in the middle just laden and unladen weight .
Eigengew----kg zul.Gesamtgew.----- kg
thanks
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many thanks to those , one on this site , who have helped me to get the new Bruetsch chassis plate . i have been trying for several years since i found the correct plate on a German website. the company are the most awkward to deal with and seemed , despite emailing back to me in english once after my german enquiry ;), disinterested in any enquiry from outside Germany
anyhow i now have the plate !as per the Bruetsch Zwerg in the uk so that will do me . it is a generic plate that herr bruetsch would have bought " off the shelf " the bottom two boxes appear to be axle weight , front and rear - left blank -presumably for goods vehicles only.
are the two boxes in the middle just laden and unladen weight .
Eigengew----kg zul.Gesamtgew.----- kg
thanks
I need to get some Nobel chassis plates manufactured... Shame mine is in very bad condition! You can see the chassis number and a bit of the writing, but a lot is worn off!
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I need to get a Lawil 250 chassis plate made - Just need a sample to copy (must be a 250cc Berlina hard top). I can replicate the artwork exactly. Then just need to find a company that anodises name plates.
With the right contacts, all owners in a similar position should be able to reproduce chassis plates.
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but you do need an original to start with so you know what your looking for in a catalogue
is the nobel specific i.e does it carry the nobel name or is it like mine - anonymous
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I need to get a Lawil 250 chassis plate made - Just need a sample to copy (must be a 250cc Berlina hard top). I can replicate the artwork exactly. Then just need to find a company that anodises name plates.
With the right contacts, all owners should be able to reproduce chassis plates.
Should Rumcars not condone all this fake chassis plate / ringer malarky?
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i think personally that i would never change the original plate on the car for a prettier one .unfortunately if like me you have a car with v5 etc but no chassis plate at all you have no choice . no chassis plate no mot etc . just glad i could find the same type used by Bruetsch .
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I need to get a Lawil 250 chassis plate made - Just need a sample to copy (must be a 250cc Berlina hard top). I can replicate the artwork exactly. Then just need to find a company that anodises name plates.
With the right contacts, all owners should be able to reproduce chassis plates.
Should Rumcars not condone all this fake chassis plate / ringer malarky?
People can talk about what ever they like on the forum. It wouldnt suggest Rumcars condoning any of it or not.
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i think personally that i would never change the original plate on the car for a prettier one .unfortunately if like me you have a car with v5 etc but no chassis plate at all you have no choice . no chassis plate no mot etc . just glad i could find the same type used by Bruetsch .
Officially so but the important number is the one stamped into the structure of the car.
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My Lawil has a chassis plate but it looks like a hand made job.
The numbers on the chassis and engine are correct.
I would simply like to fit an authentic looking chassis plate.
If I could scan a genuine plate, I could improve the artwork and get a proper plate made. No funny business.
You can see my nasty aluminium plate in the photo.
A genuine Lawil S3 plate as well.
I need to see a Lawin A4 plate (probably the same but I want to make sure).
So, all you Lawil A4 Berlina owners, Can I have a look at your chassis plate?
See that the common Lawil Willam 125 A3 plate is different.
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I get the feeling that the guy making that last plate had enjoyed a 'good lunch' before rolling back into work...
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but you do need an original to start with so you know what your looking for in a catalogue
is the nobel specific i.e does it carry the nobel name or is it like mine - anonymous
Yep, Nobel is specific... See picture:
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I get the feeling that the guy making that last plate had enjoyed a 'good lunch' before rolling back into work...
PRobably had lunch in a french Routier ;D
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i think personally that i would never change the original plate on the car for a prettier one .unfortunately if like me you have a car with v5 etc but no chassis plate at all you have no choice . no chassis plate no mot etc . just glad i could find the same type used by Bruetsch .
Officially so but the important number is the one stamped into the structure of the car.
Not all cars have a stamped in number to the steel or tub member.
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Not all cars have a stamped in number to the steel or tub member.
Agreed - I think you'll find that that guy at William was just as inclined to stamp the numbers into the steel columns holding up the factory roof, and that the chassis numbers of over 200 cars can be found stamped on the back of the factory forklift. But he did have very good lunches, so it's only fair.....
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i think personally that i would never change the original plate on the car for a prettier one .unfortunately if like me you have a car with v5 etc but no chassis plate at all you have no choice . no chassis plate no mot etc . just glad i could find the same type used by Bruetsch .
Officially so but the important number is the one stamped into the structure of the car.
Not all cars have a stamped in number to the steel or tub member.
Nobels actually have 2 chassis plates! The other is usually about 3mm thick piece of steel that they stamp the full number on (mine is 3r 0017 but mmy normal chassis plate only shows 0017, I guees 3 for n of wheels, and r for rhd), and the plate was just welded on the chassis! They didnt stamp it on the chassis!
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i think interesting that the difference between laden and unladen weight in the Bruetsch Zweg is 205kg. The Zwerg is a very small fibreglass zweisitzer , two seater, and the difference seems a lot . Do you remember 11 well fed men a while back ? i thought that back in the mid 1950's people tened to be both shorter and generally lighter than today . when laden Bruetsch was allowing for two people weighing 16s 7 lb .each ! thats quite heavy isn't ?
QUESTION : does unladen mean without fuels , is this a normal weight to expect a car to carry , am i right about the meaning of the german text ? , who decides the difference between the two weights ?
oops 16st each !
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jonathan has given me the Nobel figures 529 lb diff between unladen and laden . if classed as a for seater that allows for 4 x 9st 6lb people or if a 5 seater 5 x 7st. 8 lb . why are german people 16 st. now appreciating i should have kept it all in kilos but too late now . anyway to those in metric it still means that Nobel passengers are aprox half the weight of Bruetsch ones !
am i completely wrong about it all ? does one of these allow for some luggage ? how much and why ?
oops is a Nobel only a 2 seater - ah then
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jonathan has given me the Nobel figures 529 lb diff between unladen and laden . if classed as a for seater that allows for 4 x 9st 6lb people or if a 5 seater 5 x 7st. 8 lb . why are german people 16 st. now appreciating i should have kept it all in kilos but too late now . anyway to those in metric it still means that Nobel passengers are aprox half the weight of Bruetsch ones !
am i completely wrong about it all ? does one of these allow for some luggage ? how much and why ?
oops is a Nobel only a 2 seater - ah then
Hmmm... A Nobel actually has LOADS of space in the front, and hardly anything in the back.
Its got as much space in the back as a goggo coupe. If you havent been in the back, let's just say Im about adult height, and I dont even fit laying on the seat.
One of my brothers friends, who is very big (about 2 meters I think) went in the front, and said it was like a limousine!
I would say it fits 2 adults comfortably and maybe 2 kids up to about 6 y old.
3 people easily fit in the front, problem is driver cant really reach gear lever.
Ditch your Brutsch's... Buy a Nobel ;)
Very reliable, probably faster than a Brutsch (50mph), and Cyril Lord, head of York Noble Industries, used to make Carpet so you can furcish your Brutsch egg houses ;)
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Quite so and it is that which should be illegal as it is nigh on impossible to change without cutting the bit of metal out. The use of a plate really just allows for the edges of legality to be picked at. But as previously mentioned such systems are not managed for the Public's protection against crime but as methods to manage revenue collection principally. Even Al Capone was banged up for tax evasion not any of the other things he did. So the system as it exists encourages abuse and there you have it.
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jonathan has given me the Nobel figures 529 lb diff between unladen and laden . if classed as a for seater that allows for 4 x 9st 6lb people or if a 5 seater 5 x 7st. 8 lb . why are german people 16 st. now appreciating i should have kept it all in kilos but too late now . anyway to those in metric it still means that Nobel passengers are aprox half the weight of Bruetsch ones !
am i completely wrong about it all ? does one of these allow for some luggage ? how much and why ?
oops is a Nobel only a 2 seater - ah then
Thought a Nob was meant for the family so two adults and two kids. Works out about right.
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Hmmm... A Nobel actually has LOADS of space in the front, and hardly anything in the back.
Its got as much space in the back as a goggo coupe.
That is one reason the Goggo Saloon is the better car to the Coupe. More space as it is not a triumph of styling over content. It also handles better as the centre of gravity is further forward. However the Coupe is pretty which scores high on a classic car list of desirability.
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jonathan as for speed i have the heinkel engined fuldamobil at 85 kph and my Bruetsch at 110 kph ! what speed an F & S engined nobel ( in kph ) - you may have to ditch the Nobel ;)
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jonathan as for speed i have the heinkel engined fuldamobil at 85 kph and my Bruetsch at 110 kph ! what speed an F & S engined nobel ( in kph ) - you may have to ditch the Nobel ;)
I felt the Heinkel engine was better than the Sachs in the Nob and that was a 175 version!