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General Category => RUMCar Mart => Topic started by: Big Al on January 15, 2012, 09:47:46 AM
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I have been fortunate to have gained a long standing Microcar owners old magazines as he is clearing out and adjusting his hobbies. Since he let me have the stuff at a reasonable rate I feel reluctant to to just sell off the duplicates for top money in his face and would rather attempt to trade them for missing magazines from my runs or bulk differing publication runs. Since this means a fair amount of typing I thought to see what interest there was. I will be doing some Bristol Microcar Club and Kabinews initially. As an aside I am keen to obtain early Take Off and Kabinews, pre 79 - that is when I became active in Schmitts after Isettas, Trojans and Goggomobils 33 years ago, Blimey I feel old!
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Well I have the listings of swaps available and mags wanted but no idea of how to attach it to this site. Interested persons can have the list via email at alanbubblecars@hotmail.com. unless Stuart manages to load the thing. Mind you he will have had all the good stuff by then.....
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you can attach documents to your post just the same as an image file.
Click "additional options" at the bottom and it shows you what is accepted.
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Tried that and convert to a 'doc' as that normally fits all but it seems to get stuck when you load it. One of the probs with not being microsoft based perhaps though this works fine for email attachments. Will try again.
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docky, docky.
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Tried that and convert to a 'doc' as that normally fits all but it seems to get stuck when you load it. One of the probs with not being microsoft based perhaps though this works fine for email attachments. Will try again.
I thought you were under GNU Linux?
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I thought you were under GNU Linux?
Linux something, but you mistake me for someone who knows how to work a computer. THe list is attached as a 'doc' above but will not show itself unless clicked on. Why is a 'doc' file any different to a 'jpg' file in that they are made for the PC systems and purport to be user friendly?
The Linux file is not even recognised as organised information by this website, which I can understand, as it is a whole different suit of programmes.
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why can't you just make a TXT (text) file? Anyone can create/open a txt file.
or, just copy/paste the list into the body of a post?
documents won't show up like JPGs because they are not images and the forum software is not set up to create thumbnails of documents.
If you had a multi-page document, what would the thumbnail look like?
anything is possible, it is just not practical.
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I am sure your right. Hmm, err, yes. Forgive me if I sleep on that info and then see if I can convert it into pushing the right buttons in the right order tomorrow. Even when I get these things I then forget how I did it. Still I will have a go.
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why can't you just make a TXT (text) file? Anyone can create/open a txt file.
or, just copy/paste the list into the body of a post?
documents won't show up like JPGs because they are not images and the forum software is not set up to create thumbnails of documents.
If you had a multi-page document, what would the thumbnail look like?
anything is possible, it is just not practical.
Works fine here (I'm currently on windows), but I see the file is called "magswap..doc" maybe Linux goes funny about the 2 dots?
Here is the text
Neswletters spare / wanted
Bristol Microcar Club
Wanted – Number 10 from December 1986
Spare – Number 4 from December 1985
13 June 1987
14 August 1987
15 October 1987
16 December 1987
March 1990
May 1990
February 2003
August 2004
Messerschmitt Owners Club – Kabinews
To swap - April 1981
August 1982, September 1982, October 1982, November 1982, December 1982
July 1983, October 1983
Feb/Mar 1984, July 1984, August 1984, September 1984, October 1984.
May 1989
February 1994, March 1994
January 1995, February 1995, March 1995
January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August,September, October, November 1996
January 2005, March 2005
Bound sets for 12 magazines for 1983. 1984, 1987,1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992.
Wanted – Anything Kabinews pre 1976
January, February, March, April, May, July, August, September, October 1977
January 1977, February 1977, March 1977, August 1977, October 1977, November 1978
February 1979, March 1979
June 1981, August 1981, September 1981, November 1981
May 2001, July 2001, November 2001, December 2001
Also wanted are MEC Take Off pre 1982.
Alan Hitchcock – 01367 240125, alanbubblecars@hotmail.com
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Did not notice two stops. Wonder how that happened. Time to experiment. Enough to confuse a hosting program I guess.
Thanks for putting it up. Judging by the relative interest in programming to magazine list content I fear this might be the end of this thread. However I should end up learning something thanks to you two.
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I do have some 1972-73 Kabinews, not sure what to do with them.
::)
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Found a load more magazines in the bottom of a box. MOst are missing copies of runs so only the below extra
Heinkel Trojan Club Ltd magazines.
Review 1 being CN 137
Review 2 being CN 141
Review 3 being CN 144
Review 4 being CN 148
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I was nearly deafened by the silence from this amazing chance to gain the few mags missing from your collections - this being the wider ownership of the clubs concerned as well as the forum. Seems only a few folk are interested in actually collecting and collating old data so as to be able to read the answers to questions already answered. Many the very same questions as appear on this and other forums as alleged fresh topics. How rather modern. How rather dangerous to rely on those few to hold the information and be willing to disseminate it for free, or at all. If the collectors of mags all keel over and these collections get thrown away the years of data is gone and knowledge or the access to it is reduced. Sorry if I sound annoyed. I am not, I am utterly amazed that cheap knowledge is so disregarded until such time it is demanded, instantly and for free. However it does rather fit the profile of the newer owners of the cars I used to be interested in who seem to think they can buy anything meaning they can remain in ignorance of the very focus of their purchase and pose. No doubt they are fully informed about campervans though.
Anyway the whole lot of mags has gone to a collector who is enlightened enough to look stuff up if asked nicely, at the moment.
Meanwhile I am seriously considering the way I inter react in what seems to be a shrivelling area of activity. For instance Bristol Club Night bought 4 people into what used to be 10 and for years attracted over 20 being one of the real successes to the extent of spinning off the Bristol Microcar Club. In the early days there would be about 20 micros in the car park and 40 people attending. Mighty are the fallen. I can see the pub night getting scratched as three of us travelled over 45 miles to attend an event the locals do not! Its all going Pete Tong at a rate of knots. At least The Fleece at Bretforton, tonight, is doing better than that and it is only a three year old venue!
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Could the reduced interest in old club magazines that contain the solutions to many perennial microcar problems be due in part to the current prevalence of thought that all information should be free? As you are well aware, not only the prevalence of the internet, and Google and the like- but the incredibly rapid proliferation of smart phones and tablets has led people to expect that access to all information is now an inalienable right . With this comes the expectation that no one should be allowed to charge for such, or anyone should have to bother to do more than type in a few key words on a search engine to get the answer to any questions.
Now a days even if someone decides to retrieve information the old fashioned way- that is by actually studying the matter in a printed periodical or book form, the rapidly self establishing norm is becoming to either obtain the original work for free, or pay something like a dollar to get it permanently down loaded on your Kindle type devise.
The solution- depending on your prerogative and monetary inclinations, would be to either have someone place all the information that you fear may be lost to future generations in a link from a look up in Wilkepedia, or some more appropriate website, or charge for disks or downloads of all the old magazines that could be scanned and loaded into an area of a hard drive to occupy a space not much larger than a head of a pin.
If this were done, even I would be a willing customer of same.
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Couldn't it just be that they were offered as a swap and nobody had the issues Alan was looking for?
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Pretty much agree.
It is my experience, though, that information can be obtained cheap. Real accurate information cannot be obtained without becoming an initiate as groups or individuals have obtained the sources and then control it. Bill Gates was it 'The new commodity will be information' or words to that effect? He was not wrong.
Now do not get me wrong. My knowledge learned over the years can earn my money as more and more people cannot fix their cars. That is great. I am looking at a bigger picture, like what I am I going to talk about at events unless its to folk looking for free information. I got bored of the Inside Show scene as you forever answer the same questions to the uninitiated. That is part of why your there, of course. When the uninitiated are the owners of the cars at an enthusiasts rally something has gone wrong.
I gain the impression that it is now common for owners to buy all the reproduced Schmitt manuals from the MOC. They then do not open or read them but ask questions on the forums or at rallies. That is open access to twits who do not know what they are talking about and things go pair shaped, history rewritten etc etc. Wikipedia and so on are OK up to a point but many a fact is incorrect and it always pays to check a topic out. So I use it as a touchstone to start research not as the answer.
If I had time I would love to compile an owners manual from the amassed knowledge of 50 years Schmitting. It would be even better with one of a few contributior/fellow authers. But would it be worth it? Someone scans it to the internet and I have blown a year's work. However it is the world we live in and there are no right answers. But one thing I am certain of virtual clubs where no one meets is not as good as the real human contact of fellow nutters. The web brings us the rest of the world but we seem to have lost next door in doing so.
Collecting a car in Bristol we found we were at a sort of Petrol heads commune. Guys from all over got shore leave to go there for a long weekend and do cars up and drink beer. Crash pit was available. These guys were turning out great projects and cars were done as the motivation and skills were there to deal with problems. That is the way to do it. Microcars went through a phase of this and it was about getting the cars going and doing miles together. It is that which I am looking for again and if I can I would set up a place for petrol heads to come and play here, be it micros or dragsters.