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Title: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 08, 2012, 08:38:11 PM
Just trying something out.  A place where photos of microcars can be stored by anyone who is interested.

I think I can share a link with an email address, allowing that person to upload and change the directory.
I will send an invite to Bob and see what he can see (and do) with the files on DropBox.  Send me an email address and I will send you a share link.

The theory is that anyone with the link could upload a photo or create a new folder for a missing type.
Could it work without administration?

Problems?
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on December 09, 2012, 12:54:10 AM
how does that differ from flikr - microcar and bubblecar then , already hundreds of photo's there
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2012, 07:59:01 AM
Keeping them in a normal directory tree under each manufacturer.
Directories could be sub divided into models.
Word docs, pdfs etc could be stored in the appropriate folder for each model.

Not necessarily specific to the cars belonging to members of Rumcars but only accessible by the members.
You have to be invited - have the link shared with you, to be able to view and contribute.

Shared resource for Rumcars where the photos reside on my computer.

Barry
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Bob Purton on December 09, 2012, 10:12:42 AM
So Barry, how do we add cars to this photo register? Do you have to approve them of do we just add them ourselves and if so how?
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2012, 10:41:07 AM
Have emailed you separately.
I am working on it.

The idea is that only invited users can modify the storage.
In principle it is up to the users to put whatever they like on there, in the right place and it is self administrating.

I would imagin that a periodic audit will be necessary and I am happy to do this.  Rearranging things and putting unwanted stuff into a junk folder.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on December 09, 2012, 11:20:54 AM
seems to have promise but for me i would like it fairly regimented . sounds awful i know but bear with me . i like flikr but its mixed up - you cannot look by car type . actually you can but if you search for Bond , for example, there are pics of all sorts of other cars as well as contributors have mis- described them i suppose .under bruetsch at one time there was an awful picture i think of a Bruetsch family out hunting with dead deer carcasses ! i am not awfully interested in a mixed category as flikr already offers that and its good but not " useful " a library is a great reference
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2012, 11:35:25 AM
This should be controllable with photos in exactly the right place.  Even down to the different versions of each car, llike Bonds.
Only the photos available from Rumcars contributors should be available - where they get them from is up to them.
I don't mind keeping an eye on the register of photos but ideally contributors could add pictures in the 'correct' place.
If an expert spots that something is in the wrong place, they can move it.

Self administration or chaos?...............

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on December 09, 2012, 11:53:30 AM
worth a try ! there is certainly no definitive source at present for photo's of Gordons , early Bonds etc in a detailed way but if a pic is posted of a restoration done by oneself and it is viewed by other "experts" as incorrect does one say nothing so as to not cause offence or say something ? i have said this before on the subject of original lights etc. we should have a library of photos  showing how it would have been in the day. note i don't say how it must be restored . do owners of isettas , messerschmitts etc. need it ? certainly recent chat on the forum has dug up detail on Treinkel wheels , trim etc. that is not archived anywhere else. 
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2012, 11:59:45 AM
The photo register is not restricted to jpg files.  Whole accounts of restorations can be accommodated.
The principle function would be to keep photos of vehicles in a logical register.

Other 'folders' could be created under each main vehicle folder for other uses - one big restoration project perhaps, although this is not the purpose of the photo record.

The free element of Dropbox is pretty big and the more people join, the more space you get but at some point / capacity, it becomes chargable.

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Jim Janecek on December 09, 2012, 09:33:01 PM

The free element of Dropbox is pretty big and the more people join, the more space you get but at some point / capacity, it becomes chargable.

and then who pays for that charge and what happens to the files if the bill is not paid?

We sort of tried this already in a single thread called OUR CARS, but after a bit people lost interest.
I can install a GALLERY type of thing that is connected to the forum like the one here:
http://microcar.org/gallery
but after awhile, people lost interest in posting there as well.  Now people just upload their pics to whatever thing they find the most convenient for them.
plus everyone would need new accounts for that area as well.  Kind of a pain.

Currently RUMCARS incurs no charges for the domain name, web hosting or the forum because I am able to fold it into my existing account that is paid by other things.
Also- there is currently no actual limitation on the number of files that can be hosted on this site.
Just as an "Off Topic Lounge" was created, it would be trivial to create another separate area with different permissions than the forum area.
Anyone could start a "new" topic documenting anything they wish, with no one else able to add to it but the original person that created the "topic"  (I'm pretty sure that will work that way)
In other words: Read only for everyone except the creator of that specific section.

I'm not saying that DropBox is a bad idea, but it is another thing people have to remember passwords for and for someone to maintain.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2012, 10:23:12 PM
Don't worry about the money Jim.  If we do fill up our quota, I can pay for extra through my business.

Chris has uploaded four photos and I have moved a couple of them around.  It seems to work.

I have sent you an invite to the shared folders and created a trial  folder for you to play with.

These are the similar registers of photos that I quite like - but they are websites.

I like Denis’ site

http://www.microcarfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=5&id=14&Itemid=26

And there is a good record in photos of mopeds.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pattle/nacc/gallery/galindex.html

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Jim Janecek on December 09, 2012, 10:29:51 PM
thanks, all I had access to was the FLIPPO the clown video file.  (update: apparently not added by you, I forget that I was already signed up for DropBox)
is that all there is at the moment?  update: never mind about that.

also- DropBox wants me to install something on my computer, there is no way I am allowing that.

never mind - I had to sign in and THEN re-click the invitation link.
there is a bunch of stuff on there, but it is like viewing files on your computer.

thumbnails of pics with names like 228881_143518915733050_1000...3165_n.jpg
????
if people are going to upload files and folders, renaming them would be useful.
That being said, a number of folders have already been created that are properly labeled and pretty easy to navigate.

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 09, 2012, 10:39:31 PM
Millions of people use Dropbox Jim.  You have to install it on your computer to be able to use the system.  I am very careful with any software but Dropbox has never caused me a problem I have it on six computers and my blackberry.D
Do some personal research on it first if you are worried.

I work for a company whose Computer system is atomic bomb proof.  You are lucky if you can get an email in at all, let alone one wirth an attachment.  They are both paid up and free users of Dropbox throughout the company.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Jim Janecek on December 09, 2012, 10:48:51 PM
I'm not worried about anything because I am not installing anything on my computer to use DropBox.
If that is a condition for using it, count me out.  Others can do what they want.

Also- am I correct in assuming that outside of those invited to view a certain section, all these images and files are completely off-limits and invisible to the rest of the world?
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 10, 2012, 06:32:17 AM
Jim. 

To use Dropbox you have to install dropbox.
The images are only available to those who are invited to share them.
There are two types of share.

1. shares just particular files - the receipiant does not have to install dropbox
2. shares the folder and tree -

https://www.dropbox.com/help/274/en
   
1. Share a link to files and folders

Make a link to files or folders in your Dropbox and quickly share your photos, docs, presentations, and videos with friends and colleagues - even if they don't have Dropbox.
Friends and family who use the link can preview the files and folders through their browser.

2. Shared folders

Share a folder in your Dropbox with other Dropbox users and any files or folders in the shared folder are instantly synced with other members. If you change anything in that shared folder, the other members of the folder see that change in moments. It's a great solution to working together on large projects, sharing important family documents, or any other collaborative effort.

Note that the person providing the share option can control whether the recipient is allowed to share with others.  There are more options to choose from if necessary.

I think it is a benefit to keep the register off limits to the world and only accessible by Rumcars associates initially. The database of photos could be released to the world via website later.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Big Al on December 10, 2012, 10:08:33 AM
worth a try ! there is certainly no definitive source at present for photo's of Gordons , early Bonds etc in a detailed way but if a pic is posted of a restoration done by oneself and it is viewed by other "experts" as incorrect does one say nothing so as to not cause offence or say something ? i have said this before on the subject of original lights etc. we should have a library of photos  showing how it would have been in the day. note i don't say how it must be restored . do owners of isettas , messerschmitts etc. need it ? certainly recent chat on the forum has dug up detail on Treinkel wheels , trim etc. that is not archived anywhere else. 

Not just that but a forum to verify that what is remembered as info is correct might be handy. So I can happily report there a 5 wobbles in a wibble. If this is then supported that is a stronger bit of information. I might be incorrect in which case a challenge can be made. Say give it a star rating on corroboration. If the info can be factually corroborated with archive than give it, say, a book icon. The info on the site then comes with the invitation to improve it and with some kind of strength of accuracy as a resource.  Built up over 10 years or longer, and as first hand knowledge passes, this will build into a valuable resource.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 21, 2012, 07:34:00 PM
Here is a link to the bones of a photo register.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ao7dnotn45wfm9o/eDRKSQP4FD

Some contributors have a share to these folders and can upload or move photos around (and edit descriptions).

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on December 24, 2012, 03:15:21 PM
sorry still haven't got around to dropbox , just peeped and as suspected it's mixed up - this is just like flikr ! under Bond are Reliants and under Gordon are Vernons Vi-Car  invalid carriage - yes they are associated . with subtitles they might make sense .
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 24, 2012, 04:11:28 PM
I have put the various photos that I have into folders where I think they go.  I am not an expert.  The beauty of sharing Dropbox with all Rumcars contributors is that each ecpert can rearrange the photos into more sensible categories.  No one person holds the key.  It is for everyone.

Give it a try Richard, move the photos that are in the wrong place to a better folder.  Have a look at Messerschmitt which has three folders.  KR175,  KR200 and TG500.

Unlike Flikr, these photos can be controlled by Rumcars contributors.

There are lots of photos in the parent folder that need filing but I dont know what some of the cars are.  I bet someone does?

If anyone wants to send me their email address, I will invite them.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: john Meadows on December 26, 2012, 04:43:22 PM
Hello Isetta Owner
I admire your enthusiasm for Microcars and the idea of sharing photos and even information.

However a word of caution here. I put a lot of time and effort into the Meadows Frisky Website, both in  accumulating the information and ensuring that it is information you can trust. Sites were information  can be added by any one at any time can be a problem. Who will be responsible for the accuracy  of the information on your site, without this check a site can become of little value.

Sharing photos that are yours to share is ok but what about those that are not, such as  those that are copyright.

For instance  your Meadows Frisky page  includes several photos "lifted"  from my site  including the Goodwood photo on the Title page which is Copyright.

If you intend using/distributing this photo would you please contact the copyright holder and gain his permission, as I did, you will find him on the links page.

 Regarding the other photos, I am happy to share these provided an acknowledgement is given and a link to my website included.

Many Thanks

John.
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 27, 2012, 09:40:54 AM
Very good to hear from you John and receive your valued comments.
Sorry for the delay in replying.  We have had a couple of  'no computer' days over Christmas.

The concept of the photo register initially came from the idea of making photos of the actual registered cars 'Rumcars' available to all members, rather than as hard copies in a folder in Jeans system.
This was met with some resistance and people were worried about registration numbers being shown and other concerns.

There is a general interest in having information about unusual microcars available in a central on-line library and probably the best place for this is the Rumcars website.
However, the resource is not available to implement this and also which individual might take on the labour intensive task of maintaining it?

The site of Denis - microcarfan.com is a good example of a resource on a few unusual french microcars.  http://www.microcarfan.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=5&id=14&Itemid=26
The Moped gallery is a good example - http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~pattle/nacc/gallery/galindex.html
Members cars at - http://www.microcar.org/gallery/v/Member+Photos/

Burt these are websites and need maintenance and attention from an an administrator with website knowledge.

My interim solution is just to supply a storage area on the net for photos and other information to be collected whilst knowledge exists.
This information could be used on a proper website in the future.
The idea is to make it belong only to the registered contributors to Rumcars forum.  It is not a website and is therefore a private / group resource.
Rather than one person having the time-consuming task of trying to upload all photos and information, the plan would be for experts within the rumcars circles to self administrate the content.

I fully acknowledge your concerns on copyright and everyone with access must not knowingly add copyright material.
I am not sure about the rules on coptyright but I thought that, as a private resource rather than public, the copyright issue did not apply?
There is some concern that any scanned image from an old magazine etc. could be subject to copyright infringement?  This would also apply to the Rumcars forum?
Is it not the case that a photo must have the inscription 'Copyright' on it in order to be protected.  Any such photo would not be allowed in the photo register.

I have quickly added lots of photos and information on all sorts of cars just to get things going and see if it would work.
Ideally much of the content would be from Rumcars contributors personal archives - particularly the history of individual cars from different owners.  I may be asking too much.

I will remove the photos that have been borrowed from your site and leave it to you to add relevant content.  This content should have your personal information added before uploading if required.
I would love to add acknowledgements on each photo or document but it would become  an administrative nightmare, especially as the content is being added by many contributors.
This storage resource will only work if minimal maintenance is required.

For each make of car there will be a Word document for information and links and this is where links to web sites like yours (which is fantastic) will be made available.
I think that any photos that have ever been uploaded to the Rumcars forum can be included in the storage area as they have already been 'released' to the contributors.



Regards
Barry


Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on December 27, 2012, 09:51:40 AM
for my fourpennyworth i know nothing about copyright - i am sure i ought to learn though. i can see no value whatsoever of a collection of modern photos of restorations . i would add that i would if they were carefully anotated with notes as to deviations from standard - but that would never happen . i
i find of interest , and surely the only thing of interest to the RUM movement ,  is Period photos for reference . if they are all subject to copyright then forget it ! i can already see several thousand pics of messerschmitt, isetta restorations on numerous sites .
shame though  :'(     
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Big Al on December 27, 2012, 10:26:09 AM
The proven originator of a picture or item of literature has a copyright to his intellectual property. It is up to him how he chooses to deal with that. It can be given away by being published freely or sold to someone else with or without copyright. Clearly having paid for an image a buyer would normally wish to protect his investment. However if it is chosen to protect its reproduction than a simple note that it is under protection means use without permission can be pursued over it. If that would be worth while or effective is another matter. 
I understand advertising counts as an image being placed in the public domain, so they can be reproduced.
There are a number of pictographic business that make good money from owning vast collections of original pictures. This is there protection.

This is why, sadly, you cannot have a private collection and allow images of it to be taken by someone else as you cannot then control the propagation of those images and maintain, for instance, security or restrict information you do not want in the public domain. I have been allowed to take pics of private collections on the understanding that I do not show the images to others. I do not. This is a privilege over and above being allowed to view the collections in the first place. Certain folk would not be allowed through the door as they have a more than generous nature over information which these owners see as a danger if spread far and wide.

So you have a wide range of folk some of whom will be more than happy to post information and pictures through to others who remain secret but are happy to watch the antics of those who are happy to offer up info for free. Its a strange old world.

I have had several instances of my articles being nicked by publications via a trusted third party. Technically I could have made a case as my permission was not obtained to reproduce the item and the item was not placed in the public domain previously. I view this as fundamentally pointless as the damage has been done and settle for isolating the greedy publication from my output and no longer trusting the failed third party. A simple bit of research will reveal the law breakers as they receive no info from me other than things like date lists. They only hurt themselves by attempting to be smart arses.

Have you noticed that despite the internet much detailed information is perhaps now harder to access than it used to be? That will be why and the prediction that information will be the new commodity to be traded was very accurate. All very anti club activity unfortunately.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Bob Purton on December 27, 2012, 10:54:53 AM
Hmmm. This has cause a rift between moped clubs, articles being nicked against the express orders of those owning the intellectual rights. This resulted in suing and pants were lost!

I wonder if it might be worth having a chat with others who run forums with a gallery, maybe Elvis Payne could advise?
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 27, 2012, 06:33:13 PM
Hello Isetta Owner
I admire your enthusiasm for Microcars and the idea of sharing photos and even information.

However a word of caution here. I put a lot of time and effort into the Meadows Frisky Website, both in  accumulating the information and ensuring that it is information you can trust. Sites were information  can be added by any one at any time can be a problem. Who will be responsible for the accuracy  of the information on your site, without this check a site can become of little value.

Sharing photos that are yours to share is ok but what about those that are not, such as  those that are copyright.

For instance  your Meadows Frisky page  includes several photos "lifted"  from my site  including the Goodwood photo on the Title page which is Copyright.

If you intend using/distributing this photo would you please contact the copyright holder and gain his permission, as I did, you will find him on the links page.

 Regarding the other photos, I am happy to share these provided an acknowledgement is given and a link to my website included.

Many Thanks

John.
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk.


John
I have added your website address to each of the photos borrowed from your site.  I have removed the Goodwood one.  What do you think?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j1yrnj21e69u0o6/_dbZcldnry

Regards  Barry
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Big Al on December 28, 2012, 09:11:54 AM
If each picture has the contact details of the person putting it up then since this is effectively a wall that person will be responsible for supplying the image rather than the lot falling on the 'administrator'. That should persuade folk to think before posting willy nilly and it allows any offence to be dealt with in private.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: john Meadows on December 28, 2012, 12:20:56 PM
Hello Barry
Thank you for putting the information on the photos from my site it is appreciated

I can't help but think you are re inventing the wheel here!

If you enter the name of any microcar into Google and select "images" you will get hundreds of pictures of that microcar and by selecting any of those pictures a direct link back to its source with its qualifying  information.

Try it with Meadows Frisky, all your photos are already there plus many more!

Relying on "other experts" to vet information on your site is not on, you must be responsible for the information you put out, I can tell you from experience its a very large responsibility just covering the Frisky, let alone the all the others you list.

Once again are you re inventing the wheel, the RumCars site has an extensive list of links to experts on virtually any car you may want to know about and a note on this forum will soon cover the really obscure ones.

I agree totally with Rusty Chromes comments on Copyright  in the Announcements section, he hits the nail on the head.

My articles for RumCar News are covered by an understanding that The article and its illustrations has been supplied for publication in "RumCar News" magazine and may not be reproduced elsewhere, in whole or part without the authors written consent.Not an unreasonable request, and in the thirty years of running the Register it has never been a problem and I can't remember ever refusing any one

Regarding Lightweight Dickie's comments on original period car photos, (i.e. before the owners got to work on them!) Thanks for the idea LD, I will look into it and see if I can do something on the FR site for you, OK it will only be on the Frisky, but what else can you expect from" a one trick pony" !!

Regards John

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 28, 2012, 01:29:24 PM
I agree with you John.

The original idea was to record photos of actual Rumcars registered cars and try to unearth hitherto unknown photos from a vehicles past together with a nice picture of it - as it is now.
It was more to do with the Rumcars - Register.  The idea has progressed, perhaps along the wrong path.

I know you can type in Bond on Google and get milliyons of pictures of bonds - including James Bond and Bondage etc..
The other point of the photo register was to put dates to cars, giving a sort of pictorial history and have a place where one could quickly navigate from one marque to another.

I don't think it is quite reinventing the wheel but I take your point.

Also it would have been good to extract some original photos from peoples archives and albums rather than those already available on Google etc.

I once thought of creating a database using registration numbers.  In theory, all old photos that show a registration number could be searched and the history of a vehicle discovered. 
I am always looking out for my Morris Isis in films - LDP 135.  It originally belonged to a Metropolitan Police chief from 1955 until he retired so may turn up in a London scene?

It is very easy for me to put lettering directly onto a photo as I have the program for it.  For others it is much more difficult.

Then there are all of the copyright issues...............
I think the hill is too steep and so I may just keep the photos that I have for my own enjoyment, adding to them from wherever I find them.

Best Regards
Barry
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Bob Purton on December 28, 2012, 02:08:47 PM
Dont  be put off Barry. True, you can Google a car and see images but it would be nice to have them all at your finger tips on one site. Reinventing the wheel? I dont agree at all. Regarding accurate info on the cars, errors and myths are path of the course, they often get corrected as time goes by,  there have been enough mistakes made about Friskys over the years, some Frisky owners I speak to still insist John has a lot of it wrong to this day.[No offence John, I know very little about Friskys!] It doesnt matter really. Some details will always remain a matter of opinion. Now the Weiner museum is about to disappear we will need more reference sites, the fact that Bruces site is riddled with errors but is still much valued reinforces the case. You stick with it!
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on December 28, 2012, 02:35:13 PM
agree with you bob - stick with it for a while yet barry . the problem is i have pics . as mentioned earlier ,of scootacar,coronet.powerdrive etc. though previously published have not been widely seen for years  ( cannot find them on any other site )- but someone may have copyright on them . hmmmm
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on December 28, 2012, 06:03:08 PM
Copyright:-

A good starting point for photographs.

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p16_photography_copyright

From other sources it seems that the authot owns the rights for 70 years after death. - could be just literature rather than photography.

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

The publisher (in a magazine for example) may be just 25 years.

What happens when a photo turns up on Facebook - you don't know the copyright situation -  and you share it on your wall?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452722131417945&set=a.452722084751283.100367.170125869677574&type=1&theater
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: john Meadows on December 28, 2012, 06:27:08 PM
Hi Bob , each to his own as they say.

I realise that am not infallible on the Frisky, and rely on the help of people like Raymond Flower, Keith Peckmore, Mark Stone and others involved at the time to get the record as straight as I can.

Your point that Bruce Weiner's site was much valued as a reference site even though it was riddled with errors I find worrying,

I would welcome input from those Frisky owners you mentioned, who  insist that I still have a lot of it wrong to this day. I take no offence, every little helps me keep my site as reliable as possible.

I wish Barry, yourself and Richard all the very  best for the New Year

Regards

John
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk

 

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on December 28, 2012, 07:00:18 PM
many thanks john , and to you and yours  :)
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on December 28, 2012, 07:20:58 PM
Copyright:-

A good starting point for photographs.

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p16_photography_copyright

From other sources it seems that the authot owns the rights for 70 years after death. - could be just literature rather than photography.

http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/copyright/p01_uk_copyright_law

The publisher (in a magazine for example) may be just 25 years.

What happens when a photo turns up on Facebook - you don't know the copyright situation -  and you share it on your wall?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=452722131417945&set=a.452722084751283.100367.170125869677574&type=1&theater

This copyright website only relates to copyright in the UK and covers material published in the UK and only applies to physically republishing it in the UK i.e not to publishing it on the net. The 25 year rule on typographical arrangment is about how the book or magazine is laid out, it doesn't relate to any of the content which is covered as literary or artistic works.

On Facebook, once you sign up to the user agreement, you hand over to Facebook the copyright on everything that you choose to post on their site. As to whether or not you know the copyright situation of something you post on your wall, the same rule applies on Facebook as it does here or anywhere else on the net, if you choose to post it, then you personally are liable.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Bob Purton on December 28, 2012, 07:40:18 PM
Cheers John. Lets hope next year will be better than the wet one on its way out! What I mean about Bruce's website is that it is the best thing on the web for identifying rare microcars and getting a rough idea of the history behind them. You only realise that the descriptions cannot be totally relied on when its about a particular car that you know a little more about than most, in my case Inters, in your case Friskys.  Once you appreciate that the description detail is flawed you then realize that many of the others are likely be. Baring in mind the wide spectrum covered its not surprising, who ever did the write ups did admirably! I think your Frisky website is great, keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Big Al on December 29, 2012, 10:28:12 AM

I realise that am not infallible on the Frisky, and rely on the help of people like Raymond Flower, Keith Peckmore, Mark Stone and others involved at the time to get the record as straight as I can.

I would welcome input from those Frisky owners you mentioned, who  insist that I still have a lot of it wrong to this day. I take no offence, every little helps me keep my site as reliable as possible.

John
www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk

Having done many years of research, much like a science paper or archaeology, I you have earned the right to be offering the authoritative history of Frisky, and related topics. That being the case new facts and conflicting research always need to be added, but also to have the best of backing evidence and documentation with it. It is amazing how many twist and turns there can be and of course conflicting views, friction at the time, added to memory of old events can create situations of two equally good looking facts which ultimately oppose each other. You can only present the most balanced tale with provisos.

Classic case is my Father's comments about Vickers, South Marston. I have no idea what the official line was but he was clearly hostile to the initiative of Frisky manufacturer there. The implication he gave was this went higher up the seniority chain on the engineers side and might have had something to do with friction with Gordon Bedson, himself, on another project all together. Clearly none of this is fact. However if several other things come together that support it then there starts to look like there might not have been a fair hearing, or what ever, at Vickers. At that point it is worthy of mention. These hearsay things sort of get lodged in the records but not put into the history itself, I think. That is why someone pooling info needs all tidbits they can get. Sometimes its an insignificant statement that opens up an important element in the story.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: john Meadows on December 30, 2012, 07:49:18 PM
Hi Big Al

You fathers comments are interesting and do  in fact  tie in with the version of events  I was given by Raymond Flower,

This is covered about half way down in the article  "The early years"  starting at "things began to look up"  which can be found at  http://www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk/page26.htm

Sorry for the lack of illustrations making it a bit of a daunting read!  but your fathers comments do add credence to the widely varying  opinions within Vickers about the Frisky.

Its good to have feed back like this which can be entered into the historic events time line and so help build up the cars  history.

Have a Frisky New Year

Regards John
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Big Al on December 31, 2012, 09:50:15 AM
Well that is rather pleasing and proves the value of snippits. Of course it did not help Frisky at the time.

I wish I had been more inquisitive now. Sadly I cannot think of any contacts that used to be at the factory that are still alive. I know there was a serious of pictures taken as I can remember some with the glider club in the background, probably with a Frisky driving round the airfield cornering or something. I think they put them round a bollard slalom? I have still got a load of papers to go through, there is a remote chance there might be something there. Not being a internet type I am not sure if there are things like town chat-rooms. Might be worth putting a question up on Swindon's version, if it has one.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on January 16, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
barry just had a look at the dropbox allard file . what on earth is that 4 wheel thing i expected to see only clipper there .
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 09:59:45 AM
It's great that you have had a look.

It was marked-up as an Allard from source, but I was pretty sure it had nothing to do with Allard.
The idea is that as an expert, you can easily remove it and dump it in the general area.

I can do this of course but the principle was to allow contributors to move stuff around - off-loading the burden from just one administrator.

I have added quite a lot of folders for different cars that I have come across.

Looking at google images, there is a never-ending supply of photos.
Getting new photos from peoples archives would be good.
Having a single place for photos of all different microcars is the intention.

I have started putting car registration numbers on the file name where known.  In this way an old photo could find its place next to a newer photo.

I think I have given-up on any major contribution from others as all is quiet.  I will continue adding content for my own interest.

It is good to know that someone has been looking though.

Best wishes, Barry


Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 10:21:36 AM
Here is the link that allows everyone to see the picture register but not change anything.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/ao7dnotn45wfm9o/eDRKSQP4FD


If contributors want to add-to or change the register I will need to send an invite to their email address.

Barry
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Mark Green on January 16, 2013, 03:27:25 PM
Hi Barry

I really enjoy the work you do on the Dropbox site. A lot of unusual cars and other items that would never have known to have been built.
Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on January 16, 2013, 03:55:58 PM
agreed keep it up .i have not only looked the once you know ! far be it from me to delete someone elses pic- i don't even know what this car is .
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 04:10:26 PM
Thanks Mark, Thanks Richard.
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Jonathan Poll on January 16, 2013, 04:42:14 PM
Thanks for the invite Barry, I just added a load of Nobel photos, into 3 different sub folders.

By the way, I renamed the folder "Fuldamolbile" to "Fuldamobil", hope you don't mind, just corrected the typo. I also renamed the "Nobel - York" folder to "Nobel 200 - York", because all of the adverts say that!

Thanks again, Jonathan
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: richard on January 16, 2013, 04:47:10 PM
i don't know how you alter the headings . the BRUSCH should be BRUTSCH with an umlaut ? over the U but if you cant do them you write it as BRUETSCH . even the Germans do it  ;)
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Garybond on January 16, 2013, 04:56:47 PM
Thats very good just had a look
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 04:57:59 PM
Thanks for the invite Barry, I just added a load of Nobel photos, into 3 different sub folders.

By the way, I renamed the folder "Fuldamolbile" to "Fuldamobil", hope you don't mind, just corrected the typo. I also renamed the "Nobel - York" folder to "Nobel 200 - York", because all of the adverts say that!

Thanks again, Jonathan

Thanks Jonathan
Some really great photos.  Nobel Expert.
If you see anything that's not quite right, just change it.  That is the idea.

One thing though.  To keep drop-box free we need to keep within a certain limit.  At the moment all is well.  I would appreciate it if any poor quality, out of focus or ones that are superfluous  were removed.  
OK to keep in your personal files but think of the others that are viewing.  Keep it lean and interesting.  Keep the file size down for each photo if possible.

I like the idea of starting the file name with the registration number.  A search will turn-up all photos of that reg.

Barry

Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 04:58:36 PM
i don't know how you alter the headings . the BRUSCH should be BRUTSCH with an umlaut ? over the U but if you cant do them you write it as BRUETSCH . even the Germans do it  ;)

I will have a look.  Thanks for pointing it out.
Barry
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 04:59:24 PM
Thats very good just had a look

Thanks.  Got any good photos in your personal files?
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Jonathan Poll on January 16, 2013, 05:08:32 PM
Thanks for the invite Barry, I just added a load of Nobel photos, into 3 different sub folders.

By the way, I renamed the folder "Fuldamolbile" to "Fuldamobil", hope you don't mind, just corrected the typo. I also renamed the "Nobel - York" folder to "Nobel 200 - York", because all of the adverts say that!

Thanks again, Jonathan

Thanks Jonathan
Some really great photos.  Nobel Expert.
If you see anything that's not quite right, just change it.  That is the idea.

One thing though.  To keep drop-box free we need to keep within a certain limit.  At the moment all is well.  I would appreciate it if any poor quality, out of focus or ones that are superfluous  were removed.  
OK to keep in your personal files but think of the others that are viewing.  Keep it lean and interesting.  Keep the file size down for each photo if possible.

I like the idea of starting the file name with the registration number.  A search will turn-up all photos of that reg.

Barry


I had the number plates sorted in that way for my Nobel website, as you may have seen I have a page with all cars I could find pictures off.
I just dragged all of the folders, on my computer I have a "My Nobel" folder, but for some reason I put a sub folder in it for my website and everyone elses Nobel!

JP
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 05:34:13 PM
It's all good Jonathan
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on January 16, 2013, 07:38:03 PM
barry just had a look at the dropbox allard file . what on earth is that 4 wheel thing i expected to see only clipper there .

It's the Allard Atom

http://www.allardownersclub.org/wordpress/?page_id=957 (http://www.allardownersclub.org/wordpress/?page_id=957)
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 08:00:48 PM
Thanks for that Rusty.
Couldn't find much about the Clipper on the Allard Owners Cub site?
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on January 16, 2013, 08:13:19 PM
I was suprised at that as well. I don't know if you looked at this link I posted on the other thread. Some great photos at the bottom of the page of the Clipper.

http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/?p=991]http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/?p=991]http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/?p=991 (http://www.forgottenfiberglass.com/?p=991)
Title: Re: Sharing Photos - Microcar Register of Photos
Post by: Barry on January 16, 2013, 08:41:12 PM
Great Pictures.  Thanks.

 I haven't pinched them though.  I have copied the link onto the informational sheet.  There is a information sheet in each folder.

The problem with this is that if the link disappears, the access to the photo is also lost.