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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: richard on February 02, 2013, 02:18:59 PM
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i know i am not ready yet but just pondering ;) the front of the Bruetsch does not lend itself to a number plate . which type and arrangement would suit best ?
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this didn't come up - oh and dont forget any leads on making the screen surround gratefully received
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the rear is incorrect on mine and no pics of the correct arrangement survive so i shall copy his earlier car - it will need to curve so pressed ally the job so the front i guess will have to match
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You could always paint it on like many period race cars. Are there any legal requirements on height? As the front seems awfully low.
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i did wonder about painting or even sticker letters hmmmm but would that look any better ? and where ? on the rise of the wing ? do you mean in a square, oblong or ? previously someone had replaced the faux grill , but i dont really want to - would this be best ?
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I would use 'mounting tape' - double-sided sticky foam tape - just like they use for sticking number plates on cars today.
A couple of shaped wooden blocks would be needed behind the plate to get it to stand roughly vertical, with mounting tape between the blocks and body and again between the blocks and plate. The blocks shouldn't be visible behind the plate.
And I doubt any policeman knows the Construction and Use regulations from back then, so a small motorcycle number plate could be used to make the job easier - I assume the alloy ones are available in small straight configuration, though they aren't generally used on motorbikes like that.
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not too worried about the rear i can easily do something suitable - victoria 250 did something as you suggest for the rear . it's just ideas for least offensive front i think . sure wouldn't get away with small plate on a 4 wheeler would you ?
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Could you use four long tube spacers to hold the ends of the flat number plate away from the body.
Small number plate like the Messerschmitt but not bent to the shape of the body.
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Thats a ropey old looking schmitt Barry! :D Who tucked you up with that, by coincidence Richard once owned it himself!
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and strangely enough i passed it on only because i had a chance of the Bruetsch . no idea if it was the right decision financially - but i like to be different . on the plate front i never liked the large plate on a schmitt . look at Jon Pertwee's number plate , i think it ruins the look , thats what i want to avoid on the Bruetsch
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I agree, I just wish I could remember were I got that small plate from, Barry may be able to find the reciept in the pile of them I passed on to him. I think you made the right decision about the Brutcsh, the schmitt would probably still be in the same tea chest sat in the corner of your garage. Its always the way when you try to do more than one project at a time, thats been my experience anyway. ps, when you learn how to bend ali screen frame channel let me know wont you, I'm stuck on that too! >:(
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as far as i see its fibreglass and rubber strip - no bending ally channel thank god . just need a fibreglass fabricator who i can trust with the ONLY Bruetsch Pfeil screen in THE WORLD
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anyway the last time i saw FCM 820 in the flesh it had big ugly plates too ! :)
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I think a stick-on or painted plate in about the same position as your colour photograph but slightly smaller to allow for the grill. I've mocked this up in photoshop with the plate from the colour photo, but I think you can get a better "classic" font from stick on numberplate suppliers these days. They used stick on numbers in another car restoration I read about as a template, scribing around them and then painting between the scribed lines.
These are the sort of stick on type, would 65mm high letters be to big?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Bike-Number-Plate-Letters-1Xset-White-Stick-on-Classic-Vintage-REAR-/160950062232?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item25795f0c98 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Bike-Number-Plate-Letters-1Xset-White-Stick-on-Classic-Vintage-REAR-/160950062232?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item25795f0c98)
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I agree, I just wish I could remember were I got that small plate from, Barry may be able to find the reciept in the pile of them I passed on to him. I think you made the right decision about the Brutcsh, the schmitt would probably still be in the same tea chest sat in the corner of your garage. Its always the way when you try to do more than one project at a time, thats been my experience anyway. ps, when you learn how to bend ali screen frame channel let me know wont you, I'm stuck on that too! >:(
I will have a look.
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thanks friends - mocking it up does help a lot i will have to measure it up and check , but that does look better than i feared it would.
a quick check on the net shows that legally the letters pre '64 should be 3 1/2" high - i make that 87.5mm ( could probably get away with post '64 and go with 3 1/8" - 79mm
if i can get away with pre '73 motorcycle plates the size of the letters reduces to 62.5 mm - a big difference - but would it now look to small !!
out with the measure
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anyway the last time i saw FCM 820 in the flesh it had big ugly plates too ! :)
No, I dont think so. It would have had the standard size plate on the back but I used it with no plate at all on the front for some years. It was like that when we drove to Story as I recall. The little front plate came later. In this other pic of RCM 820 is that your Gordon in the background?
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bob - i was hoping you would not mention cars spotted in the background - embarassing as the Gordon has only just progressed passed this stage - very recently ! but it will be on the road THIS YEAR !
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Well it was pay back time Richard for pointing out a certain project accidently seen in a photo I recenly posted! HO Ho!!
About your only windscreen in the world, would it not be prudent to call by at Pilkingtons, Isle of Sheppey next time your down south and get another made from it ? With a toughened sceen, once they shatter they are gone for good. I think I would have a laminated one made and use that.
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where on earth is the isle of sheppey. it's not a bad idea though ;)
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Why Kent of course!
http://www.pilkington.com/europe/uk+and+ireland/english/automotive/agr/pilkington+queenborough/default.htm
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Dear Richard
I met Pilkingtons Commercial Director at the classic motor show and he was quite up for us doing a factory visit if we could get a group together. It would have to be a week day.
If they have the template then the windscreen is quite economical. If not they will make a template and make it to order, which is slightly more expensive. If you look on thir web site you should be able to see all the ones they do.
If anybody would like me to organise a factory trip I am prepared to be the go between.
Chris Thomas
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Chris, I have to go visit them at some stage to get a screen made so would be up for a tour, it may smooth the way for my unusual order. I think the likelyhood of them having a template for a Brutcsh Pifel is remote to say the least but who knows!
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Herr Bruetsch would i am sure have used a readily available off the shelf , carefully :) , windscreen - but off what as it would have almost certainly been German .
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I reasoned in the same way about the Tourette windscreen, never did find out what Carr brother used though. We may both be wrong, it may have been just as easy to have a bespoke small batch made to order. Some of the screens on these plastic creations remind me of the screens found on speed boats from the period, food for thought.
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i did hear mention , was it al, that it might possibly be a Renault Dauphine , rear screen . no idea if it looks like one though
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Hi Richard
The Renault Dauphine rear screen was for the Goggo Dart.
Mike
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hi mike
there you you might unknowingly have hit the nail on the head . goggo dart - bruetsch dart surely no coincidence
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the small plates are motorbike plates - totally legal on a three wheeler, as is not having a plate on display at the front as per Bob's cream/yellow schmitt.
I have the original pressed alloy ones on my car - but the front one is a curved plate as you would once have had attached to the front mudguard for slicing pedestrians in two with!
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where on earth is the isle of sheppey. it's not a bad idea though ;)
Its near Mikey?
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Hi Richard
The Renault Dauphine rear screen was for the Goggo Dart.
Mike
Indeed it is and not the first donar that springs to mind for a German based car in Australia.
I think it more than likely the Brutsch screen is borrowed from something production. That may or may not help. The Reliant Sabre/Sabra lot were not ecstatic about sharing a windscreen with Frisky at one time. Worse still is to find it is a screen of some ridiculously expensive Dellahye or something.
Pilks are looking for work at the moment and seem to run out at about £1,500 for tooling and then a unit price for each screen. Probably about £200 for one your size.
No idea on Carr's but from memory it is quite narrow so again could be a rear screen or indeed a boat or early aeroplane. If they had plans for numerous production then it is more likely they would have tooled up for production instead of borrowing an existing screen.