RUMCars Forum
General Category => Sales & Auctions => Topic started by: richard on April 29, 2015, 01:18:58 PM
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Hi murph like Bob I am really NOT keen to have anyone flagging up eBay cars on the forum - that's one of my pleasures in life - seriously . Great fun trawling I am sure most of us do it but this would ruin it for me . The only things I have ever flagged up have been obscure parts that perhaps people have not realised would fit their micro . Please no :'(
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That's a point of view that I understand, Richard, though - as I've said before - it seems odd to claim it on a forum whose home page says:
Sales & Auctions
Have you spotted a microcar on ebay, or at a private auction or sale? Tell everyone about it!
Moderator: Jean
Is it perhaps time to lobby for a change in that?
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I will have a word with Jim.
As I explained before, nobody on this forum designed the original site, so doesnt always reflect what its users want or need.
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Maybe Dave but when they are all in America ...... :'(
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Dont really know what that means Dicky but Jim is our administrator and is always most helpful. He works tirelessly for us going unappreciated most of the time.
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Not referring to Jim whatsoever , I merely meant that the more we flag up the more will end up with those with the biggest pockets , and that doesn't seem to be us ;)Perhaps if someone could try and suggest a good reason to flag them up ?
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Flagging items up are always a talking point, though it's better to flag cars after they've sold, that way they're still a talking point, but opening the topic hasn't stepped on anyone's toes!
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The issue has come up (again) about this category of the Forum.
Some have expressed displeasure with its existence, others find it useful.
There are valid points to be made on both sides of the Discussion.
Before I change something this drastic I thought it would be good to try a POLL and see the users think.
Any Registered User can vote ONCE.
That includes people who only read and do not post things.
POLL CLOSES in 7 days, and RESULTS will only be visible once the poll has closed.
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Cant say fairer than that and its a long time since we have had a poll, always fun.
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An advertisement is an offer of sale, in public. By what right do you deny that to happen? Are back to tyhe idiocy of secret rallies again? I am not interested in the behind your back, in/out members cliques, within clubs and organisations, and all that pathetic nonsense that goes with it. You ban free information, you ban me, and I suspect a lot of other people who will smell something gone a bit off.
All the years I was trading I always admitted what I was doing. I did that as it is the fair thing to do. Full notice that anything publicly advertised was fair game. I never bought stuff that was only advertised in Club Newsletters. This never was good enough for the amateur traders, who wanted every advantage to tip the scale his way. When I stopped trading the animosity in certain quarters continued. That's their choice, and they miss out on many an opportunity because of it. But it says more about them than me. This suggestion ranks as those folk and is a very selfish suggestion.
Its really quite simple. If you want to buy something, go buy it. Do not stand around hoping the fruit will fall into your lap. If you want stuff to flip or trade, then of course, you will not tell anyone its for sale, and hope to nick it for a farthing. But do not tell me that this is the act of an enthusiast and institutionalise it. Its the act of grubby little men in sheds counting their spoils hoping the taxman will not find out. I am frankly very disappointed.
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I am with Al on this!
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Missing my point completely , not sure about others . I have no problem with others knowing what's up for sale . My point is quite different , eBay has brought me a whole new source of entertainment , I watch it rather than TV - but do I want Murph to tell me every day what's on offer - no I don't I'd far rather stumble on it :)
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Like I just did when I googled Images of Bond three wheelers and found a picture of your Mk G rear end. 8) ;D
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I see your point Richard but I usually go to EBAY before coming on here there are the oddballs I miss but the more well known micros are well watched anyway I think
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My opinion is that if it is on eBay then most of the members of this forum would be aware of the posting. There has been times when i have missed a listing that i would be interested in and a fellow member raising it would be helpful.
I think that market forces will always find the final sale price and the days of a cheap car on eBay are long gone.
Anyway this is my opinion and think a vote is the best way of sorting it.
Now-- I will get my coat!
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... - but do I want Murph to tell me every day what's on offer - no I don't I'd far rather stumble on it :)
Then don't read Murph's posts, or any of the other posts in this section.
No one is forcing you.
or are they?.....
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Where on earth did you get that picture of Richard? :P
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I've always liked poll dancing. Swingingly good fun. : ;D
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Okay we have seven days don't vote yet ! Let's hear the arguments ? I can't see one for flagging them up so what are they aren't they just spoilers ? What am I missing ? Ready to be persuaded ;)
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It's just an opinion Jim ! Anyway would anyone deliberately not look to see what's flagged up .
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Some of the cars that are flagged up I never even knew existed I'm learning by all your knowledge even if it's ebay
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I recently posted here about a couple of new-old-stock Villiers engines that I knew were for sale elsewhere. Should I not have, then? (I understand the posting has resulted in a sale to a forum member.)
It's easy to say, "Oh, that was useful, because - unlike eBay - it was a little-known sale". But where is the line? And if I may not post about a "widely known" sale, how can I know its width?
I had, and have, for example, no knowledge at all about how widely-known the sale of those engines was.
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Sorry all.
I can't please everyone, but I am just informing all on cars for sale.
Yes, it may be fairly annoying, but I would love to see some (more) activity on this subforum, as I have been viewing as a guest for months now.
Hope you all understand.
Thanks,
Murph.
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I have moved the discussion about this from another post to this POLL post, and merged the topics.
In doing so, the forum software laid them out chronologically, so now it looks like Richard started this topic.
I don't know how to fix it and I don't think it matters and if does, you will all just have to suffer until next week. :P
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Again am I too simple or what ? Hi murph by the way and this isn't personal :D what I ,and its only my opinion which I am entitled to voice , was not keen on was that Murph has announced I thought anyway that he would be regularly ( daily ?) posting a full list of all micros on eBay and that's what I wasn't keen on its going to take all the fun out of eBay isnt it ? What's next will we have a daily list of all villiers parts or literature or whatever ?
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Depends if you have time to wade through eBay ads and the search engines multitude of bum steers. Personally I rather like that someone has done it for me. I hardly ever look at eBay USA, for instance. Do I hear the hobby of a long distance salesman in accommodation here? You still have a world to look for bargains on Craigs List.
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That's exactly what you hear Al and if Craig is Murph he has made my case time and time again . I haven't really heard anyone make the case yet for the daily flagging of everything
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Well I think what you have done in one easy move is to make it nigh on impossible for you ever to own one in the near future .if your current uploading continues prices will go up not down . Chances of a great find will be lessened :'(
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Hi Mr. Purton,
Thank you for both the welcoming and information :)
And no, I do not own a microcar. I have seen a few in person (Crosley at local car show, Crosley at Henry Ford Museum in Detroit), and have loved them ever since. I am only 17 years old, from Canada, so I don't really have an opportunity to buy one, although I'd love to someday. I enjoy the fact that they are a) Unique & Different, b) Cost less ( Not always :p ), c) Easy on gas.
If there is anything I can do to make this a better forum, let me know.
Take care,
Murph.
Dont tempt me!
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Well I think what you have done in one easy move is to make it nigh on impossible for you ever to own one in the near future .if your current uploading continues prices will go up not down . Chances of a great find will be lessened :'(
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I am not sure there is a case for it. But if someone wants to do it, I cannot see a problem.
Indeed in my ignorance of early computing I thought a search engine to find any, and all, internet microcar posts, particularly sales, would be a great thing for a National Club to have. Now I realize that it would not work well on so many levels. Its like communism. A brilliant concept in fairness, but it fails to account for human nature.
Maybe the deal here is to redirect this energy to something you would like ro see on the website. Been enough talk about things we would like, but no one has the time to do. As Oddball would probably say 'Less with the negative waves.'
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Well despite obvious inclination I still have not voted in the anticipation of someone telling me the upside . I must say it seems very odd to ban it.
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I might be wrong but is it the opinion that by listing these items we are inflating the final prices of the auction, while keeping quiet somehow gives us a better chance. Surely market forces will out and market forces will find a level.
If Bob and Richard wanted the same item then it would not matter who knew about it, the one who bid the most wins.
My opinion is a daily list would become boring but flagging up an interesting Rum Car would be the essence of the forum.
I will get my coat again!
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I am getting mixed emotions here; I'm not sure what to do.
I'm not trying to make anyone 'mad'; I enjoy informing others on microcars, and if I enjoy it, I will continue (unless of course they either ban me, or remove the subforum).
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I don't want anyone banned but neither do I want you to continue . Can't you just go way and hack the Pentagon or whatever most teenagers are doing :)
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Agree Malcolm the odd one is interesting neither Bob , as far as I am aware , myself ( iPhone norms elf ! ) certainly is interested in buying anything as I keep saying the entertainment is on the looking and finding and watching , ruined if someone tells us all surely ? And no I can't " not look " that's never going to happen :)
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I am getting mixed emotions here; I'm not sure what to do.
I'm not trying to make anyone 'mad'; I enjoy informing others on microcars, and if I enjoy it, I will continue (unless of course they either ban me, or remove the subforum).
Have you thought this could be a great opportunity for older people to inform YOU about microcars?
The forum is a mine of information, you could ask questions about various marques, discuss events in Canada, did you know for instance about the ship full of Isetta's that sank on its way to your shores?
Discuss rather than plaster listings all the time.
BTW, nobody is going to get banned. Even if the category gets removed which is very unlikely, people can and will still post listings occasionally much to mine and others annoyance.
The idea behind removing the catagory was that it makes it sound as though splashing everything you see for sale is obligitory or somehow Rumcar policy which as far as I know isnt.
The last thing I want to do is dampen young peoples interest in microcars, we should be encouraging it.
The other concern discussed a while ago was how all this makes it easier for the wealthy collectors abroad to snap up the uk's endangered species. A point I still feel is very valid. Anyway, its all been covered before.
The only saving grace I see here is that most of the stuff flagged up is state side so thats something I guess. Lots of stuff over there and very little here, isnt that telling us something? Have you seen the classified section in Jims USA micro mag? the list of cars for sale goes on and on, compare that with cars for sales in the back of RUMCAR news, zilch! I rest the case for the prosecution! ;)
Murph, use this as an opportunity to learn all about rare microcars from a forum full of experts.
My two penneth.
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This has descended to a daft argument, yet elsewhere we once again have offensive remarks to someone new to the forum on the back of it, even before we find out what talents he brings to the table. Its IC's all over again. Systematic bullying. It will not do. I will reproduce Oddballs full quote, as it is pertinent.
'Why don't you knock it off with those negative waves? Why don't you dig how beautiful it is out there? Why don't you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?'
And I am accused of being negative much of the time! A cause of huge amusement to my chums, to whom I have shared some classics off here over the years. I give up, you win. (That winning bit seems important, but I am not sure I know what the prize is, or I realised I do not want it). Its like being a dung beetle pushing quality food matter forward, only to find that you cannot, as there are so many folk sat on top for a free ride with the odd nibble, or worse pushing back the way we came, or for some others, off the edge of the easy path sign posted, and into litter strewn areas of mineralised humus. Some of those who used to push with me often have given up, and are happily rolling balls elsewhere. I fear they are right. This ball is not going anywhere, unless it is, currently, the Bond forum, since they are to bigoted to have their own, or have banned most owners from it in secret. Complete they come, with optional extra chip on the shoulder. Unpalatable facts, new ideas and new people are clearly not wanted here. The majority are inactive, so I assume do not care. I feel it is time to leave, as my input here is so much wasted energy. As far as I can see Drive It Day was spent in the Anderson Shelter of denial. No one has come back on the events list/pubs list. So I can only assume no one wants to use these cars anymore, or if they do, its in secret or to make a few quid. What happened to those interesting middle of the road folk who had something interesting to say?
I am with Colin Archer and co. Its time to sell off all the excess microcars, just keep a few I really like, and go and do something more rewarding. There is no real fraternity left worth the defending, bur the true minimalist, who mainly belong to nothing as they worked out they weren't wanted, other than for lemons, already. Yet we will all be at Popham driving stuff, as we always have when it was under the Microcar banner.
Sorry young Murph, I have run out of the energy to attempt to help those interested in these cars who are happy to profess little knowledge. You have found pedants corner, and I leave you to it.
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Al. It would be a sad day if we lost your eclectic words and vast knowledge on this forum and i hope a good beer and a nights sleep might change your mindset. I am a relatively new member in this forum and agree with you that new people should be encouraged to contribute.
Change is inevitable as without it there is no progress.
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Since I am American I will sit on the sidelines and let you chaps choose the voting tally.
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Really Al I think you misunderstand deliberately , my comments in particular are sprinkled with smileys and winks and tears , no frowns in sight ;) all comments very much tongue in cheek but none the less heartfelt . And if I might say this Al from yourself that has hardly a good word to say of any committee , club or organisation whose paths you ever crossed in the past ;D
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Its a bit like telly if you do not like it do not watch or turn off
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Its a bit like telly if you do not like it do not watch or turn off
Mmmm, not quite. If you'd been enjoying a particular series, and then it changes the standard of production, you'd complain, no?
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That's exactly what you hear Al and if Craig is Murph he has made my case time and time again . I haven't really heard anyone make the case yet for the daily flagging of everything
I have no idea who 'Craig' is, and this is my first (and only) account on this forum.
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I don't want anyone banned but neither do I want you to continue . Can't you just go way and hack the Pentagon or whatever most teenagers are doing :)
I'm not sure whether or not I should take that as a compliment or not...
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Have you thought this could be a great opportunity for older people to inform YOU about microcars? Perhaps..
The forum is a mine of information, you could ask questions about various marques, discuss events in Canada, did you know for instance about the ship full of Isetta's that sank on its way to your shores? Interesting.. I hadn't heard about that. I almost never see microcars mentioned in the news.
Discuss rather than plaster listings all the time. I understand, sorry.
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That's exactly what you hear Al and if Craig is Murph he has made my case time and time again .
AL was referring to the North American website known as CRAIGSLIST
www.Craigslist.org
THAT is internet equivalent of local classifieds.
He was not referring to MURPH making a "list"
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AL was referring to the North American website known as CRAIGSLIST
www.Craigslist.org
THAT is internet equivalent of local classifieds.
He was not referring to MURPH making a "list"
Hi, Mr. Janecek,
I thought he was talking about a member named 'Craig', haha!
And yes, I do know what Craigslist is. :p
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also- there is a Canadian version called KIJIJI
http://www.kijiji.ca/ (http://www.kijiji.ca/)
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also- there is a Canadian version called KIJIJI
http://www.kijiji.ca/ (http://www.kijiji.ca/)
What Canadian hasn't heard of Kijiji?! :p
P.S. I'm Canadian.
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A few on here are very opinionated, which isn't a problem in itself but it is getting quite tiresome and scares off new members . If someone goes against this minority, i.e: fresh ideas for the Rum mag, to add electric cars, then the opinionated make their stance known of 'i will stop subscribing to the mag'. Someone post about their new purchase and derogatory pictures are posted. Now a new member posts strange and unusual vehicles for sale and it's caused a massive over reaction.
Jim went about it the correct way by pointing out to the new member that the forum does not go up to 1000 cc cars, no problem there.
I think my point is, rather than castigate people who join the forum, for what they post that doesn't conform with your narrow mind band then don't look at the section for sale. If you don't like what is printed on one page of Rum then flick past that page but please spare the rest of us from your narrow minded, opinianted and sometimes very hurtful comments. I really don't think the Rum Forum needs this!
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At least they are opinions ! Most ,no names mentioned , very rarely if ever post . Without some comment how do we know what members are thinking ?
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I think you and I are on the same page Ritchie. Agreed opinions should be shared, threads shared, links to E-bay items for sale, we are both in agreement. However, as you know there are a few on here who can't help themselves, if they have no interest in a car being discussed, or a post they don't like, then this mindless few make new and old forum members feel unwelcome, ridicule and deride Posts, post childish, sarcastic and hurtful comments and pictures which i know we all feel is not welcome and should not be tolerated on this forum.
How we deal with this as forum members is a difficult one, after all we are probably talking about less than a handful of people on here.
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4:1 says leave this category as-is.
So.... until those who disagree can figure out an alternative:
Anyone can continue to post their eBay finds and whatever AS IT SAYS ON THE MAIN PAGE.
Anyone who starts up again with this nonsense about "don't post eBay finds, I don't care what it says" will quickly find their posts deleted and their ability to edit their previous posts disabled.
If you have poor impulse control you should not be here chasing away new enthusiasts (and old ones).
Perhaps disabling your access to this category entirely would be useful if you can't get along without making passive-aggressive comments.
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