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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: richard on July 27, 2015, 07:38:46 PM
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Herr Bruetsch was well known for his wandering eye , where he rarely if ever went wrong was at the rear of his cars . I haven't pictures handy of Avolettes , Spatz etc. but this is the Pfeil , my car, and its lovely with all the right curves . As Bruetsches rarely reached the registering stage one can see the clean lines often ruined by number plates and lights . The lights here chosen by Bruetsch are actually DKW Sonderklasse - one on ebay at nearly $200 at the moment they are very stylish .
Spatz ,Avolettes, V2's and Mopettas are equally lovely from behind - which others have it ?
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I agree that Brutsches do have good styling, and rear ends can really make a car. I think the Heinkel's back view is superb, especially the early smaller cowl models. TG 500 is another great. Late 1920s and early 1930s Morgan "beetle backs" are very pretty. More recent ones include the Blackjack Avion's very stylish up-turned stern.
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On the basis that nearly ever country requires a registration plate to be shown on the rear of the car. On the basis that said registration plate has to normally be of a legally quoted size, freely available information. I would say a styling ignoring the position and size for a rear registration plate is completely daft. Its an ego trip from the stylist ignoring the unpleasant facts of real life. Such pretty cars, while undoubtedly being pretty, often fail as cars because its a clear warning that priority of looks has been given over content. Ergo Egon's ego styled cars pfail to perform (nah ha), until they head off to another, who resolves issues and produces a good looking car that works. Less purity of line, perhaps, but greater integrity of engineering.
The Dart has got a rear number slot, but not a front one. Many cars suffered from this problem, unless you like dangly plates on bumpers or drop down brackets. It used to be that plates could be stuck on to the front of cars, often the bonnet. That is still a style failure in my book and I believe it was/is banned from a certain date forwards. My beloved Alfa Romeo Duetto suffers from a lack of obvious front bumper mount. That is the beauty boy of its era, to me - without going into specialist motor cars. Most bubbles have no front mount, but as quite a few can be classed motorcycles, they did not need one.
Conversely there are very good looking designs that make a feature out of the registration plate. They only problem here is sometimes the plate has to be to big, or legally mounted in a certain area to suit local conditions differing from the obvious location. Others have mingy little plates that do not adequately fill the area up. Strangely America seems to have this problem, though it does have the extra excitement of proclaiming home/State to take your mind off it.
I do not offer options on pretty cars of each type. Its a matter of personal taste, I merely point out the beauty, for an engineer, or engineering product, is not just in the look, but in the functionality of the product. But of course the functionality is governed by what you buy the machine for. If it is to look at, then pretty cars do not need to work anymore than a collection of the worst cars in the world.
Those cars mentioned, yep I can see it, save the Tiger. Esso and ergo, again - its word of the day -, I think the Tiger looks a bit of a mess from the back. Remove the racks, extra lights, wheel and gubbins and it is still uncomfortable. Like a Simca 1000 Rallye, its wheels are stuck out at all angles, as if its been trodden on. Truth be told it might have looked better with the body flared into the rear wings. This would have tidied up the lighting, the spare wheel problem and made room for air ducts to pull in cold air to both engine and induction, probably improving performance, but certainly making maintenance access a much simpler affair. This is probably all very heretical, but just as the Messerschmitt design works for the 3 wheeler, it doesn't for the 4 wheeler. The KR200 is the clear winning design of this concept, with the Inter not far behind, but let down by not having a round of radical redevelopment, as did the Schmitt. KR175 v Inter, now that is a very much closer fought battle.
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Odd isn't it because I prefer the TG to the KR both front and rear
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But the pretty one is the KR175, isn't it? So often the case. The first is pretty, the redevelopment is governed by practical issues, and styling becomes compromised as a result. BMC/BL Mini?, E type Jag, Bond Minicar series, Isetta series, etc.
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Not always true Al, the original Morrie Thou, the DKW/NSU/AU 1000 /Sonderklasse, and the Austin Healey all strated looking frumpy and were hugely improved in later re-styling. The rear view of the AU/DKW/NSU 1000 was a beaut.
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I think Isetta's always look exceedingly strange from the back sans numberplate.
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Pictures pictures pictures
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Not always true Al, the original Morrie Thou, the DKW/NSU/AU 1000 /Sonderklasse, and the Austin Healey all strated looking frumpy and were hugely improved in later re-styling. The rear view of the AU/DKW/NSU 1000 was a beaut.
'Man, your car is really frummmmpay!'
Ah, The dreaded Morris Minor, created by the alleged genius Alec Issigonis. Yep, it was a clunker, until late one night Leonard Lord had his guys put the band saw through it, and added the fluted width still seen on the bonnet today, while AI was not about (Alec Is 'e gone. Yes). But the low light Minor was better looking than the 1000, surely? The car really only become good when it was able to nick the A30 engine. The Peanut was always my favoured looking car of the two. It had better handling too.
Deeks, yes possibly the enlarged Sunderklasse, particularly the Coupe, before it went over to wrap round screens, was the pick of the bunch. But there were a few really nice early DHC/Saloons. But are any of those Deeks beauties? I can never make my mind up. The Saab of the same strain, on the other hand, is a very friendly little fellow.
Austin Healey, Indeed, some the Healey cars were a bit odd. The Tickford, Silverstone and so on, all interesting but not lighting up all the lights. The Frog was a darling, but the big Healey, Hmm. Its really two different cars as the 4 pot had a folding screen and was OK in its own way. No beauty. Then the 6 replaced it and metamorphosed into a very large lump of metal travelling very fast. I had one and its all rather hairy chested stuff, you could cook some spuds on the inner passenger foot-well on a long run, so it was not for the faint hearted that side either. Very classic lines, but a long way from its precursor. On dispensing with the AH it is hard to believe that BMC/BL really thought bunging that large lump of iron in an MGB was going to replace it! I struggle to see any improvement at all, indeed probably a step to the rearwards. Thank goodness they did not try and make a limo out of the Marina with it! Incidentally have you ever seen the Rover Marauder? Some similarity to the beginnings?
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Micro backside pics please ? It's a micro topic not off topic :)
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(http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/ss260/Captain_Bubble/P1060609_zps064d532d.jpg)
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That's better ! Quite seriously it's very hard to find pictures of some cars from the rear at all , almost all publicity photos are frontals. One of our favourites the Broussard is it ? Goes all wrong at the rear it appears ? Still think the Tiger more stylish than the KR but there are definetly stylish curves on the KR .
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wot' no one towing , wot's a behind without a knob sticking out :o 8)
(and the frame along side the tow bar carries the picnic hamper ;) )
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Hmmm much as I really love em , and I do , that's not the curvy rather more exotic European behind that I was imagining . That is definetly a more sensible , broad and robust, British behind !
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now Richard you don't get a more beautiful behind than a Lancashire lass :)
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Lancashire Oven Bottom Muffins...nom!
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I was thinking of Brigitte Bardot or maybe Sophia Loren and you gave me Gracie Fields though ! C'mon ;D
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Hmmmm
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Indeed hmmmm :)
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Birkenheads where they were built so its got to be - LILLY SAVAGE ! ( Paul O'GRADY )
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back on topic - beat these backsides if you can
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Rollera
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How about those?
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Not that I am biased! ;) but those are my favorites! ;D
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Hi Jamie , you've just posted pics of all your cars ! Except the awful modern one , what on earth is that ! Yuk rear styling
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Bob , what's your top photo is it a Chanteclare ? Nice ?
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I'm not well today ... and it seems neither is my iPad.
When I first loaded this thread, all of Bob's threads contained five (!) copies of Richard's blue Rollera picture. More worryingly, Richard's post saying "beat these backsides if you can" showed the pic of Bob, in his flying helmet.
Too much information ...
(Then a refresh cleared it all up.)
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Good morning Dave :) it's a blue Mopetta , but I did try about five times to load a pic of Lawrence Houses blue Rollera , taken by Rusty Chrome and I couldn't -weird ;) you need help :)
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Sort of (?) on topic, don't you just love how the TV guide you bring up on screen shortens the programme titles. Favourites so far are:
Myleene Klasse's Bum (in full, Myleene Klasse's Bums and Tums, a fitness programme)
On the Loo (for the full version, thankfully, add "se")
(Can you tell I'm not well? ...)
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Well I feel better about myself anyway :)
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;D ;D
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So a cellulite smooth, deformed and dropping, 60 year old rear is the height of the micronautical rubenesque taste in the neither regions on display to the world. I can only suggest painting a W on each cheek and bending over to say Wow, what a lot of tailgating purves! ;D
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Well this topic has hardly developed into the beauty pageant that I was hoping for , but there are a couple in there . I still think Bruetsch , as a designer , has it .
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I cycled through Greenwich today and parked near the Cutty Sark was a Mercedes Benz 219, A registered, black, chrome trimmings and whitewall tyres. Lookde good from all angles, even behind. One of the very few good looking MB's I have ever seen, most are just big ugly lumps! This one is not dissimilar in shape to a Rover P4, but a bit less staid.
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It's a ruddy cheek :) that Bobbette has had plastic surgery ! :)
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Lipo(lyester).
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I have long thought that the Goggomobil Dart was a copy of the Bruetsch Pfeil - even to the name Pfeil means Dart in German - cheeky :)
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Goggomobil, no e please, its German not American, Dart, styled by Stan Brown, from memory, ex- Lotus man, for Bill Buckle. You can see the vague image of the Lotus 11 in the lines. The drop down optional extra door sealing hereditary. Daimler and Dodge (GM) also used the name Dart leading to a tiff over that. From the rear the Dart retains its Goggo look as the lines, though lower, as matched and the Saloon parts from a knock down Dingolfing kit used from the standard production line. It is, in effect a stylistic alteration like a Fiat Jolly and the Chassis number does not immediately tell you what car type it is originally from. So exact numbers made are hard to know.
Another car in the Micro lists, but to my mind a light car, that manages to be a differently styled, but recognisable house style, at the same time, is the Citroen Bijou, from Slough. It has rather good lines and having had a few its a frustration it was never available with the later mechanics, nor has a replica been done. So I must be in the minority of liking this car.
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Sorry I did think later about the e . I wasn't really thinking that Buckle copied as such but more likely saw it and thought " ah I could do that with a Goggo "
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Buckle was rather unapproachable on Darts for a long time. But I think some information was winkled out in the end. I know some of it, but I expect there is more I have not seen. Its a topic worthy of private investigation, should that be of interest to folk.
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Dear Alan
I would welcome a well researched article for Rumcar News about the Goggo Dart. Since Mike O'Balance pass on I have not had very much in RCN for Goggo fans.
I leave that thought with you.
Chris Thomas
Rumcar News
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Lotus Eleven lineage is now quite clear to me in the photo provided.
Funny that it never occurred to me to see it, as I must have been seeing it with an engineer's eye as a rear engined creation, hence the non connection with the front engined Lotus.
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Hi Steven are you talking of the Bruetsch Pfeil or the Goggo Dart ? I don't know the Lotus 11 could we have a pic ? Thanks - ah yes the Goggo Dart rear wings - got it and time wise it fits doesn't it ?
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Just a thought , is it a legal requirement that a licence plate be fitted flat I.e. With no curve at all ? I had imagined fitting it almost to the curve of the rear on the Pfeil . Are sticky licence numbers fitted to the car body also illegal ? Thanks again
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Regardless of the Law I would not advise putting any sticky label on fibre-glass!
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Really ?? I didn't know that . The last ones were fitted for at least 25 years with no ill effects , are modern adhesives different ?
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I have heard from some bikers that adhesive can react with some resins and weaken them, so they never put stickers on their skid lids.
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Yes I have always " adhered" to that - but are helmets fibreglass ?
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They were when I heard that advice!
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What a corker !!
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Only a certain Peel owner would put a number plate on his helmet, allegedly for lack of room elsewhere.