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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Bob Purton on March 15, 2016, 08:59:42 AM
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Where does one go to get a Bond hood made these days. MkD in particular. Anyone had one made recently? Any recommendations? Thanks
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I have had hoods fitted to my both friskies within the past 9 months and the quality has been excellent.They quote 3-4 weeks and take 8 but they are worth waiting for.Based in Wolverhampton they are Aldridge Trimmers.
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Yes they are purpose made and that way you get an excellent fit. They will make or re trim side screens as well.
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Here is the blue sport at the restoration show last week showing the fit of the hood.
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I do appreciate that that is required now , but back in the day Bonds were churning out cars in quantity I wonder why no hood maker is offering to make 20 or so ? I wonder if they have been asked ever ?
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I suppose it'd be a risky investment for any hood manufacturer: 20 hoods is about £8000, and how would they decide what is wanted? Two-seater or family? Red or beige? Original frames or later? I suspect the windscreen "pegs" and edge clips might well vary, too - especially when there'll have been various restorations or repairs in each car's history.
A hood can't be that hard to make - the very first time I used a sewing machine, when I was 15, was to make one for the C-Family I'd just bought. I admit I used red canvas, but it did fit properly!
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Here is the blue sport at the restoration show last week showing the fit of the hood.
Incredible restoration of an early version, but I can't read the note on the window. :-[
Is the color the "xxx Green" that underlies any other colored Sports outer paint layer?
Do the xxx have a genetic predisposition to color blindness?
Was there originally a layer of primer sprayed by the factory under that?
Wonder if the "xxx" element of this nomenclature owes its origin to Henry Meadows' brief but seriously intended incursion into the Middle Eastern market.
I wonder if these questions will bring John out of his cave again.
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More on topic.
Malcolm- How do you suppose I could most cost effectively have a hood and it's entire supporting structure made for mine?
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The colour of my blue sport is not turk green but some enamel paint i had in stock ref 112.
I made two hood frames out of stainless steel strip from a pattern of an original frame lent to me and no i will not make any more.
I had to use pyramid bending rolls to replicate the oval supports. I do have a spare white hood for my red sport.
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Obviously well done.
But why keep a spare, and is that why you made two frames?
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I made two frames because i have two sports.
My red "Monte Carlo" sport has a white hood and the blue sport has a blue mohair hood.
The reason i have a spare white hood is that they fitted a white one on the blue car by mistake.
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hello Steven
very comfy in my cave thank you.
Turk green existed well before the Frisky
Meadows never marketed the Frisky in the middle east
Malcolms cars are excellent both restored from a state similar to your Sport.
Why not consider sorting out your Family three instead its a comparatively simple restoration
Oh well! back to my cave
John
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I did not mean to imply that Sports were MARKETED in the Middle East.
I was instead referring to the several "Phoenix projects" proposed with supposed intention of manufacture and sale in Egypt, as well as the earlier connection with the Cairo Motor Car Company.
Please enlighten us as to the body and hood color combinations that were offered for the Sports.
I am obviously still a big fan of your family's family of cars, including the Family Three.
Gee I got to say family three times.
How's that for apparent, but non actual redundancy?
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The Cairo Motor company did have a connection with the phoenix cars projects as both were owned by Raymond Flower. they had nothing to do with Meadows. RF lost them all in the Egyptian Troubles hence his enforced time in the UK along with all the other ex pats. I believe he only built in Egypt around six phoenix cars based upon the Morris minor clad in an open topped body and a single Phoenix racing car which he brought to the UK. It was meant to race under the Egyptian Purple racing colors but events conspired to prevent it. Neither were prototype friskys which was a Meadows UK based project.
Hope that helps, back to my cave
John
PS lots of info on RF and his activities on www.meadowsfrisky.co.uk
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Was a white hood a wrong color for a Turk green Sport body?
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The early turk Green Friskysports were fitted with grey hoods. Malcolm's FriskySport UUK 421 was a factory car built for the Monte run, its white hood was non standard and does. not fit the production Sport.
Do you have a problem with FriskySport hoods and thier colours that you need help with?
John
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Just checking to see if Malcolm's spare white hood would be a proper fit on any other car.
So a white hood was historically correct for Malcolm's blueish car, but not for others with body colors of similar hue?
Your last post's reference to the custom nature of Malcolm's car's hood framing, rebrings up an aspect of my previous quest - why make a spare frame, if it properly fits but one car?
If Malcolm borrowed a hood frame to copy, does this mean that he now has a standard frame rather than a custom one like the one that originally came with his non red Sport?
Does this also mean that Malcolm's spare, and presumedly original hood frame would not be a proper fit, or not look to provide the proper supporting profile for the fabric of his white hood on any other car?
I guess the answer to this question depends on where his "spare" frame came from.
Malcolm, feel free to chime in.
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Lets get this straight so there is no confusion.
There is no spare frames.
I made two which one was for the red Monte car and the other for the blue car.
They are both the same design which was a copy of a production one i borrowed off a production sport.
I had to shorten the rear spar by 2" to replicate the original Monte specification.
I also shortened the second frame, so the blue sport is the same design as the Monte car.
This was because it allows me to remove the rear section without disturbing the hood.
The hood material on the blue sport is non standard blue mohair but it gives a good fit and looks great.
The correct colour would be grey.
My spare white hood will fit either car and is an asset to me.
The red oxide frame shown in the photo does not belong to me.
When i purchased the red Monte car it had no hood or frame, seat frame, side screens or bright-work.
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Thanks for the clarifications.
Was the red car bought from the Isetta Dude in Upland California?
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so this guy is seeking a Bond hood , unable to obtain one , he is coaxed into making a hood frame for a Frisky - four wheeler at that !!!
now there are claims that a red Californian Isetta might do the job ...
back on topic please ....
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I agree. No more comments.
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Let's get this straight so there is no confusion.
I have a Frisky Family Three, and a hoodless Frisky Sport.
I have no Bonds or interest in hoods other than for my Sport, which is a closely related concern to the original topic of this thread.
I have no idea why anyone could think that there was a suggestion of compatibility of either a Bond or Frisky hood with any part of any Isetta.
An agreement based on such obviously false presumption is indicative of a desire to withhold further information.
Therefore you have answered my question.
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I think this is why i gave up posting :-X
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You have to be frisky to bond. OK, I'm leaving.
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Isetta Dude is Greg Huhs, isn't it? He branched out of Isettas, and he was about to restore something else, my memory banks fail to recall what. But he has done a fair bit of work on cars for other people. I assume at some point there was a Frisky involved from what Steve said. Just because he is called Isetta Dude does not preclude him temporarily being a Frisky Dude. Its a nick name. There is no argument basis, unless you want one, or your research base is limited to one or two sites. Greg Hahs is very well known in some quarters. I have no direct contact with him and cannot comment on this other than any general, intelligent research on on-line micro action, he will be thrown up. I believe he has posted Youtube clips too. So a back track might be interesting for Frisky fellows - elsewhere.
Agreed that the topic is Bond soft tops. But Bonds are not as rare or RUM as Frisky. John is a mine of information and worth listening to, so excuse some of us being more interested in the digression. If Bonds had their own home, then there would be less interference from non Bond types, who started to contribute to try and help, then got into there own discussion. Maybe a Bond section is needed, if there is a lack of a Bond forum. RUM can probably accommodate that in the spirit of co operation it normally shows to a lack of a supporting media. That's for others to say, as I do not have the knowledge to comment.
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Whats Rare Al ? How many Friskies are there , I am not sure . Regarding hoods there are very few Bond A's, very few B's ( different hoods ) C 's two types D's two types erc . Part of Bonds interest is the variety of models but also it means that little has , in the past maybe , remade. Good facebook Page but unfortunately Bob has as yet not seen fit to put hand in pocket 🙂
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There are 15 soft top friskies left in the world and nearly all have their hood and frames.
Back in 1998 i had a double duck hood and side screens fitted to a mark B bond by Aldridge and not for a lot of money.
Their quality is excellent. I then semi gave it to the Bubble car museum and they sold it at 3 times the price.But that is another story.
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Thanks So that makes Friskies as similarly rare as Bond A and , seperately , B . I appreciate there are other links to Bonds - but not the hoods 😉
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I would propose that Farcebook is not a forum for anything but goldfish who do not value their intellectual property, especially when restricted to a membership. Its is more akin to private chit chat, which Farcebook is free to exploit, should it wish, without permission. Not for me, and others, who value input in a true free spirit of a proper forum, like Bob's site. These may be interrogated for information for free.
I would not ask John to quote the number of Frisky that are the same. Suffice it to say Frisky are rarer than Bond, Who's stats, are they BOC, or total known? If A and B are that rare, I have owned about 22% of them. That does not strike me as credible. If the owners do not want to facilitate free talk, that is their prob. The Frisky folk find happiness here.
I am mortified that there are Hoods involved with Bond driving, but it does answer a few questions. A smoking exhaust of guilt owned by very naughty boys. (he's not the Messiah, you know) ;D
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I do not think it matters what is rarer than what but there are certainley more Friskies than Minitruck's 3 possibly 4
1 of which is abroad
The van which has a small hood I think there is only one!
A and B are rare but they come and go on the radar :D
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But none ever have a hood 😉
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Not surprising to hear that Als anti Bond Club predudice has extended to the new facebok group . The chat has been most informative and recently there has been much about roofs and hoods in particular and has stayed on topic :D
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Not anti. Merely factual. They may do as they wish. But do not complain when that means loosing out.
I seem to recall the Mackintyre Mk A, which had a B screen if I remember correctly, had the old soft top with it. Since no one in Britain was interested in it, it went to a BOC member in Holland. I am not sure where that car is now, as that lot got split, but I feel it was the one recently for sale in Holland. So there was one roof that could have been copied. If it is still with the car, and its whereabouts are known, then there you go. But I recall the guy was excommunicated, so the trail might be cold if the records are not up to date. The very reason for talking to the world, rather than just the converted nodding heads. But I do not make the rules up.
Of course the amusing thing about this car was Chris Gordon found it after BOC, or its agents, had finally been given the all clear to remove all Bond stuff from Mackintyres. They missed this complete car in the process. Chris found he was getting nowhere with it after a few years, despite being based conveniently in Moseley, B'Ham, wondering if it was because he had got the car in the way he had. Anyway he had a chop up with me. for some projects he had, for something I had, BSA Trike? If do this same BSA traded for a Frisky as it was with Martin MacKeever for a while and attended a Hengrave Hall. You cannot get away from Frisky's, you know. Chris became a good contact until he passed away. Helped ID and place some rare stuff like the La Locombe, and a shed of old timers I found in France. This Mk A formed one of three that went to Jan van Stratton. One of those went on to Switzerland. All this happened long before 19th of Feb, but I thought it might be interesting to all save goldfish, who will not remember the last time I mentioned some of it. :o ;D
Oh. George has reminded me that 'Pimpy' Caulter had a soft top on his car out on the Gala Peninsula. Think that was a B, but running a larger Villiers.
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Seems like it could be more expeditious to consult the encyclopedia of Al right here on this forum, before philandering with a Facebook group.
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Oh my mistake steven I had no idea that Al had made hood rails and hoods for Bonds , whyever didnt he say ? A lot of contributors on the facebook group have , I must tell them !
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Al said "... the one recently for sale in Holland. So there was one roof that could have been copied."
I'm confused. Why would you go all the way to Holland if you wanted to copy a Mk A hood?
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Oh dave dont ruin old als bit of fun , hes been been telling these stories for as long as we can remember , tales of daring do and selling across the water cos no-one wanted him or the cars , never let reality get in the way of a good story 🙂 Of course it would be cheaper , easier and more fun to join the Bond Club and do it properly but that doesnt fit ! Go to Holland track down a bond and copy a hood rather than the obvious 😀
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It was at that time of the triple Bond deal the Bond Club parted from me, even though I had sold to a Bond Club member. So my ability to be in the Club was removed at that time. I believe Jan was also let go. Since not trading I have not had, nor wished to own, a Bond, so a reapplication to the Bond Club was not made. I can make known what I know about Bonds, which isn't much. But I do not see how being a Bond Club member alters the value of the information. Its either right, or wrong, helpful, or not.
That leaves the facts of the thing. I admit to being a bit naughty in bringing up the Mackintyre car. Richard is right there. But had the Bond Club taken it in, it would probably be in circulation and the hood been copied. Sadly it was missed, its story is told in brief. I make no recommendation on who does what. But at the time, and possibly now, there is an original period top that could be copied. From that info several things transpire.
1/ A good register inclusive of all cars would know where it is, and record the fact. That could well be in Stan's files, or whatever, for all I know. I just hope the register is not counting Bonds in the Club. Clearly its stats will be incorrect dealing with any questions outside the Club.
2/ If I am correct about the hood, then the information and example exist.
3/ Anyone inventing there own version that is not as an original, does not own a concourse car, in my opinion. For the motivated distance is no object. For everyone else (possibly everybody) that sort of detail is not worth the effort to chase down. That’s not for me to decide
4/ But by the same token, it is beholden to a Club, in my opinion, to always attempt to resource originality where available, catalogue it, and make it freely available to members if, and when, the question arises. I find I am in a minority here, as most clubs I have belonged to have conspicuously ducked this tenant of quality of service. That in turn lowers the bar on accuracy of restoration, leading to cars not being quite as well restored to original as they might otherwise be. To me that is poor service to the marque allegedly supported.
Why do you think I am currently spending a day or so a week digging up a garden 65 miles away removing every last Invalid Carriage item that can be found? It is not to make money. The rapist was there before me and bought all the 'good' bits. I am happy to admit I will gain a return out of it to. But that is more due to my ability to spot a bargain in other stuff there. But the real irreplaceable value is in the unobtanium, and associated oddities that come to. Often of no monitory value at all, but things of great worth to those interested, as they are a resource and springboard to further exploration, or just getting some detail bung on right. Like, now, three Ministry Garage sets, complete with a few asbestos cement panels. Most would leave them there, or reprocess the angle iron into shelves, or something. And there is the difference. Active conservation and restoration, or going along with it, until it gets to hard to be bothered. We all have the choice. Bare in mind how many of us pay to go in museums to goggle at just such uselessness as Ministry Garages.
So the challenge that remains is can you, anyone, join the Bond Owners Club, 'and do it properly'? Well from what I have read so far, eer, no. But you can get pretty close. For most folks that might be good enough, marvellous! But do not be to upset if a Dutchman turns up with an original version on a beautifully restored car and kicks sand in your face. (Of course there is then the tried and tested method of everyone telling him he is wrong. As in Messerschmitts were never converted for use by the disabled! - well, yes they were, easy to prove, and several cars used to exist!. For some reason this fact is beyond the pale and most histories eradicate it, See point 4/ above. Also Richard has more knowledge about my life, than I do, so the process has already started on new hoods being the correct ones over any original hood that might turn up later. You see how it works).
As another for instance. Ponder the Peel just auctioned. At the price and blarney this should be the bench mark of Peel P50s. Fact is, its not, is it? But what does this inaccuracy, backed by big money, mean to those very original Peel P50, without any provenance to go with them? Is what I am talking about important to the genuine enthusiast of the car, as well as the investor? Where is the obvious control and centre for accurate information to arbitrate? its either the clubs, or its motivated individuals who have made a study of the subject, Step forward Stuart for Invalid Carriages. If their wrong, or inaccurate, all fails.
But I might be making all this up.
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how many bonders have the hood up ?
I would say side screens/fly screens (to aid breathing) are a must , after all you cant feel the cold as everything around is the same temperature .
Like the Hard Top lot that fit sunroof's .
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Hurrah! That's the way to do it. Can I mention Tonneau covers?
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Yes Alan, by all means but PLEASE start a new thread then things don't get so confused. Jean
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Before Al goes off on tonneaus 😀 Is he in any way going to explain what a Mackintyre car is or HOLD ON !! Could anyone else tell us first 😀
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I was being naughty again, mentioning tonneau covers, which are a different topic, but to my mind humerus after such a debate, and the simple answer of not needing the thing under debate by driving with no top. No heaving shoulders once an explanation is needed, sadly, unless in consternation of a failed quip.
I fear that the tale of Mackintyre's old dealership with Bond Cars is likewise a different topic, one that has been mention previously sometime ago. The bulk of the story probably exists in old copies of Bond Info and but for the ending, will be far better researched.
In the interest of sticking to the point, and as hinted at, I think that is enough of these topics here., from me. Back to the plot in hand.
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Only 4 mentions of Mackintyre in the search , with that spelling , all from this week . Would love to know the gossip - if its on topic of course. Oh and none under McIntyre
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No good asking me about spelling. There are several versions, plus the good chance I have invented another. I am sure its in back issues of Bond Info. My knowledge of that business is very limited. I never got involved directly, only in the aftermath.
Topic: Another Bond A query (Read 2072 times) This was what I was remembering. Did not mention Macintyres that time, probably to keep the piece, but the rest of the info is there. Found in seconds. Shows the search works if you ask the right question. Not always as easy as it sounds!
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I cant find that in the search at all
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Do not know how to make a direct link, but it was 15th Jan 2015,I think.
Well that is one that I had that did not get done! Think Jan van Stratton of Sneek had it with two others he bought from me in the days no one was interested. One went to Switzerland and was threatened with electric power. Bit of confusion over Cable and Bob Todd, sorry Bobbin, steering, perhaps.
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Do not know how to make a direct link, but it was 15th Jan 2015,I think.
http://www.rumcars.org/forum/index.php?topic=4742.msg38231
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Thanks Al and Jim , it didnt come up in the search as suggested though For a start you cannot use a single letter A in Search as a word must contain more than 1 letter ! Weird but 😏
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Mcintyres Ad
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Plas man , have you posted this on correct thread ? What does it refer back to ?
The elusive "Mackintyres", the Bond dealership that Al was referring to.
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I would like to apologise for any misunderstanding on my postings on this thread .
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No problem on my side 🙂 Still never got the goss though 😕