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Most optimistic Treinkel seller of the year award winner?
« on: March 19, 2011, 05:08:50 pm »
This seller must win the award for most optimistic heinkel/trojan seller of the year!! Nice to see the bit about brakes and battery etc, not sure about the light restoration claim however.... from the look of the lower section I would bet on the floor being a little crusty etc, and I dont think a lick of paint will be all its requiring!! No mention of an MOT either... one in much better/straighter condition  went on ebay for just under a grand less with a spare engine!!! at the end of January.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BUBBLE-CAR-TROJAN-1964-RHD-/120699559338?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c1a411daa

By constrast a piece of trojan history in much nicer condition, and I imagine an exillerating ride!!!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1950-TROJAN-MINI-MOTOR-GREEN-/190512671300?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2c5b70aa44
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Re: Most optimistic Treinkel seller of the year award winner?
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2011, 09:58:24 pm »
Wow, that is quite optimistic. The car is restorable, but but what lurks beneath the tired and tatty surface.
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Re: Most optimistic Treinkel seller of the year award winner?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2011, 08:01:37 am »
 Cunningly not pictured so you can really see anything. That said the general drift is upward and everyone is looking for fresh complete cars to restore. The question is is this it?

 Certainly with Messerschmitts the price of a complete reasonable restoration projects bares no relationship to the price a new well restored car. Include the time and cost of parts to restore the car correctly and the finished cars are very often actually selling cheaper than a basket case! That low miler went for around £18k yet a pile of misc bits that looks like a whole car can fetch £7k. Unless you do the work yourself that car should cost about £7-8k to get finished right. For the extra £3k I would have the real thing with history. Of course the market is driven by those who believe that £7k plus twopence ha'penny with wrong bits equals £15k. Sadly it does not. I will see what the market really is when the first of my proper cars goes to the market. I expect to be disappointed and if so it will be more expedient to sell some off unrestored and cash in the spares I had bought to restore them. Some of these parts have nearly doubled in price over the last few years, more profitable than the cars themselves, and availability seems to be worse!

 I fear this is effecting Treinkels just the same. Finding well restored cars is very difficult. Finding a good basis to restore is equally as difficult. When I think of some of the unrestored cars I had they would be highly sought after now as they were whole with floors and ID. The junk cars used to sell at about £700 to £1,000. The same thing now is £1,700 to £2,500. A floorpan is over £1,000 before it is fitted. You cannot do a car like this and sell it for £7,000 and make a profit so I think there are a lot of folk out there fooling themselves or someone else. Of course this commercial activity has push the cars beyond many enthusiasts who are not interested in making a profit. Even as a hobby it is hard to justify when other interesting machinery is available to play with for less money.
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Re: Most optimistic Treinkel seller of the year award winner?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2011, 11:38:18 am »
 I would have to agree with you Al, there are two distinct markets developing in the micro world, much like the property Market. You get the Sarah beanie property ladder kind who are just interested in buying, doing as little as possible and selling to some unsuspecting person for a quick buck. Then you get the kevin mcloud grand designs type who are the true enthusiasts and love the thing they have, and spend on it regardless of a return.

I feel I fit into the latter. I got my Schmitt for not much more than the 7k some boxes of bits go for with an MOT ,and I would say it fits into what the price guides call a class 2/ good  however it does need some work ( new dome, some paintwork and engine fettling) which according to my estimations will take it to almost the level of an excellent one. For me though it's not  about the money it's about the culmination of a 20 year long childhood dream of owning one, and that has to be worth more than the cash!

Hopefully one day it might have a treinkel to keep it company! But not the one aforementioned!! 
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