Carter bought the Blackpool P50. fair and square but has since sold/traded it. Obviously.
ah, thank you for saving me the bother of having to mention that.
what I found most interesting about the "Blackpool P50" is that it was originally listed by a pair of brothers who had owned it for some time.
(this was what they told me at the time)several years later I get a phone call about a Peel P50 for sale that went up Blackpool tower and ....it is owned by a pair or brothers who had owned it for some time.
and at both times the brothers were rather lax about whether they really wanted to sell
"if it goes high enough, otherwise we will just keep it...."what are the odds? 
anyways, regarding the actual eBay listing that you say was so "fair and square", I was bidding on it for someone else who did not want their eBay name used.
so I don't care what the price is, it is not my money. I also don't want a Peel. I don't collect cars. I don't have the money or space.
anyways this was back in June 2006 and one could still see eBay usernames of the bidders.
I placed my bid which was in the mid £13K range.
another bidder had bid it up to just over £10 and it sort of languished there for several days. I thought it a bit odd as I was certain it was going to go higher and there would be more interest, but this was not a "reserve" listing. Whoever the highest bidder was when the listing ended was the "winner".
And here I was.. the "winner" with maybe 12 hours to go at just over £10K
Then a bidder comes in that I was not familiar with.
TGROADSTERMinutes later the bid is retracted (£18K) and noted at the bottom of the Bidding History page.
Well that's odd I thought, when I got the email that I had been outbid.
eh, so what?
couple hours later another Bidder comes in:
PEELNUT.
bids right up to £1 under my proxy bid.
wow, what an amazing coincidence!
You don't think he knew what my proxy bid was do you?
I am still the "high bidder" but now the price visible to those watching is much higher than £10K
Nothing happens until a short time before the end of the listing and
TGROADSTER (who had bid and then retracted) comes in and places an unknown amount bid and remains the high bidder to end by one bid increment above mine.
No one else tries to bid. No one.
At the time I thought
"well, that went for less than I thought it would". And then 3 months later the car shows up on Carter's website for sale for £21K
Ah.... so did this mean that Carter actually bought the car and is now selling it?
Does this mean that Carter was TGROADSTER?
I knew he used PEELNUT, but that was it.
Or was he working with the seller to ensure they got the highest price possible and is now listing it off eBay as a broker?
I can't answer that question, but it certainly seems odd given the bidding pattern.
If he wanted to buy the car, why not just use the TGROADSTER account and buy it? No one would be the wiser.
What was the point of popping my high bid and then using another account to bid it up to £1 under my high bid?
seriously.
what was the point? The only explanation I can see if that he was trying to create interest and make the price appear higher to anyone watching in an attempt to get more bidding going.
Is this an attempt to make prices appear to be high so that replicas can be sold?
I don't imagine there would be much of a market for replicas if the cars were not selling for significantly more than £10K
There may be another point, but I don't know what it is. It still smacks of monkey business and shenanigans.
Why use 2 eBay accounts for the same listing?
You don't want people to know you bought it? Well then don't put it up on your website 3 months later for sale.
I don't have any issue with people buying and selling things and making money.
And it is not a matter of "sour grapes" that I did not get the P50, I was not bidding for me and I told the buyer I thought their bid was too low.
The issue I have is when buyers or sellers do it under false pretense and say they either bought or sold something when the item never changed hands or the price was completely different.
I also don't like to see people bantering about a price for something when I know full well they are wrong.
"someone" was recently bantering about that Bruce Weiner was asking $200,000 for a yellow Tg.
That info was completely false and misleading, which makes me ask
"what other information from this source is ALSO FALSE AND MISLEADING"? 
It only serves to benefit a few people and actually does a dis-service to many owners as they are led to believe their vehicles are now worth astronomical prices and there is a line of ready buyers willing to pay almost anything when in reality there have been a few private sales.
Didn't know about my Trident? Hardly watching the market are we?
how long was it up? From your description not long. Also you said the listing was cancelled.
Even if I had seen it I would not have paid it much attention because it was sold off eBay for an unknown amount.
So it is not something I feel qualified to comment on.
The two listings I HAVE mentioned are ones that I HAVE either been directly involved in or been forwarded information by people that were directly involved so I could see what was really going on.
Sometimes people send me things and they are suspicious and they want my opinion but when I look, I don't see anything wrong.
Other times it just jumps out that things are not right.
I note you've put the owner of the recently listed TG's nose out of joint on the Schmitt forum.
People tend to get very defensive when they get called out on their Bulls**t.
Do you happen to own a Peel or TG?
no, and what difference does it make if I do nor not?
Do you think I have some sort of "hidden agenda"?
Or am I not allowed to discuss Peels or Tgs if I do not own one?
Peels and Tgs are apparently just ripe for exploitation especially when a very small number of people are privy to most of the information.
It is unfortunate that the prices appear to be manipulated in some cases. Note that I say
"APPEAR" and also "
in some cases"
