John, we were referring to the usual open day at the farm which I believe has not had a date set yet. You can speculate all you like chaps but I am certainly not in the market for any invalid carriages, Its farely common knowledge that I dislike them with a passion equal to that of Stuarts liking them! [this doesn't prevent us from being the best of friends] Or put another way, If you were my dad and came to pick me up from school in one I , like Johns kids would die of shame. I asked Stuart what he knew about the afore mention cars because I have an interest in single seater automatic vehicles that are under 400kgs. And John, you surprise me, the Lamar is the ugliest of them all ! Funnily enough, they were made local to me. Have you ever seen whats under the bonnet, talk about Heath Robinson! There are more chains and sprockets than you can shake a stick at, maybe that is the appeal?